Wobble's grand idiot of the month award

[Wobble 1]

this month's award goes to George Monbiot, quite possably the most cynical and deranged conspiricy theorist...  

see -------> http://www.monbiot.com/

his works include:

The UK's Nuclear Terrorists>>

The British Government is increasing the dangers of nuclear proliferation

Secret Dumping>>

Britain's hidden nuclear crisis is beginning to resemble Russia's

You're all damned!>>

The devil will walk amongst you, with great wrath

The Pope Spreads AIDS>>

The Holy Father is responsible for the deaths of thousands

Britain's Ethnic Cleansing >>

Gypsy culture is being systematically eliminated through a forced assimilation programme

Blind Faith And Science>>

Genetic engineering will transfer power from the poor to the rich  

as we all know currently the poor have all the power

A Pox on the Planet >>

Golf course development is becoming one of the major threats to the environment and human rights

Blasting Our Way to Peace>>

The West's "victory" is a defeat for civilisation

yes the taleban should have won, obviously a much more civil people than "the west"

America's Terrorist Training Camp>>

What's the difference between Al Qaeda and Fort Benning

I wonder...

Hell's Grannies>>

British women are using themselves as human shields in Israel, and they put the rest of us to shame

"hells grannies" sorry.. just had to say it a few times,

Reservoir of Sleaze>>

The British Government is underwriting Turkey's ethnic cleansing programme

again the brits are exterminating races... tisk tisk

Nato's Dirty War>>

By targeting chemicals factories, Nato is waging war against civilians

rrriiiiggghhhtttt.. I guess we should target trees and puddles

Hunting the Beast>>

I track down the police torturer who had me beaten up in 1989

HAHAHAHAHA!! I wouldent mind a round or 2 with him myself.

George Monbiot

I hearby present you with the idiot of the month award.

[Hilandor 1]

mmm its true tho

Golf courses are damaging the environment by removing treas and habitats and creating large open spaces for easy predation

and human rights u try get a game of golf on st andrews old course, we dont have trespassing laws in scotland so by rights we should be able to walk on for a game of golf but cant =[[

[Wobble 1]

yea but this guy makes golf courses out to be the next great nuclear disaster or something.. and the racism part is really funny,

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Secret Dumping>>

Britain's hidden nuclear crisis is beginning to resemble Russia's<span id='postcolor'>

I'm sad to say this is true. Mark Thomas did a report into it and found that they were dumping nuclear waste in containers not suitable Also they found they were sending it across the country on public railways.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Britain's Ethnic Cleansing >>

Gypsy culture is being systematically eliminated through a forced assimilation programme<span id='postcolor'>

This is also fairly true. Most councils will move on gypsy sites etc.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Blind Faith And Science>>

Genetic engineering will transfer power from the poor to the rich <span id='postcolor'>

Any fool can see this will be true in the future and eh, the power is already with the rich sooo?

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hilandor @ Feb. 11 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mmm its true tho    

Golf courses are damaging the environment  by removing treas and habitats  and creating large open spaces for easy predation

and human rights      u try get a game of golf on st andrews old course,  we dont have trespassing laws in scotland  so by rights we should be able to walk on for a game of golf but cant =[[

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Everyone knows that golf courses are an afront to human rights!

I know I play it!

Nothing worse than getting that perfect swing, having that perfect feeling of "Oh yeah...thats going far".....and then watching the damn ball make a physics defying hook (I swear it went straight out and did an immediate 90 degree turn).

Down with golf! Down with golf!

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hilandor @ Feb. 11 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mmm its true tho    

Golf courses are damaging the environment  by removing treas and habitats  and creating large open spaces for easy predation

and human rights      u try get a game of golf on st andrews old course,  we dont have trespassing laws in scotland  so by rights we should be able to walk on for a game of golf but cant =[[

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what the hell is predation, do you mean erosion?

[Wobble 1]

predation is snazzy word for "big shit eating smaller shit"

I.E. critters near golf courses have trouble avoiding predators because the trees and scrub has been removed..

golf course hunting anyone?

[Rogue2020 0]

Some of that sounded really dumb..though quite a few sounded like no big deal....

Keep in mind most of what is really going on would shock most people.....nothing shocks me....but I have heard people say there are no conspiracy's which is the most ignorant and blind statement a person could possibly make....

[Rogue2020 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Feb. 11 2002,04:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mmm its true tho    

Golf courses are damaging the environment  by removing treas and habitats  and creating large open spaces for easy predation

and human rights      u try get a game of golf on st andrews old course,  we dont have trespassing laws in scotland  so by rights we should be able to walk on for a game of golf but cant =[[

 <span id='postcolor'>

Everyone knows that golf courses are an afront to human rights!

I know I play it!

Nothing worse than getting that perfect swing, having that perfect feeling of "Oh yeah...thats going far".....and then watching the damn ball make a physics defying hook (I swear it went straight out and did an immediate 90 degree turn).

Down with golf! Down with golf!<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah I love golf....play as much as I can...which most of the time is every other week.....

[Wobble 1]

but I have heard people say there are no conspiracy's which is the most ignorant and blind statement a person could possibly make....

yea but there is a fine balence.. sure its not smart to beleive everything yer told at face value.. but this guy thinks EVERYTHING is a conspiricy.. he lives in a world afraid the matrix is gonna get him or something..

or at least that the pope is gonna give him AIDS

[Rogue2020 0]

I know that was stupid...sure the pope could have aid's but isn't he old enough were he has trouble getting it up?...doubt he is infecting anyone..

I'm sure the matrix is going to get him...the matrix is a program..you live in it...it doesn't get you...but yeah I have seen people like that...they live way out in the middle of the desert and they call the government the beast...

Sure though I don't believe this world is real...because it just can't be...but that is a whole different subject.....

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

actually the more i read , the more i believe- this guy seems to know exactly whats going on

yes the headlines are sensationalist but behind each is a story / explaination

The Pope spreads AIDS ? sure- by banning condoms

Secret nuclear dumping? -that definatly happens

golf courses destroying wildlife? certainly

etc etc

apparently hes published in the UK Guardian, certainly not known for its mindless sensationalism

i dont agree with some of what he says, but on reflection he certainly doesnt appear to be a grand idiot.

 

[Wobble 1]

The Pope spreads AIDS ? sure- by banning condoms

the pope cant ban anything, hes not a goverment offical, he's just a religious figure.. he cant make laws... he can just say "thats bad, dont do it" but he cant make you do it..

and anyone who believes SOO much in the pope probably wouldent go off fucking everyone they see either...  dont fuck someone ya just met for gods sake... hang with them for a while.. make sure NEITHER of you have it.. get a blood test.. for gods sake..

I read all of the articles I listed.. and though certin parts of what he says makes sense... when he ties it all together to make his theory he does so in such a bizarre way..

just like the pope thing..

Pope is catholic

in catholocism any form of contraception is bad

AIDS can  SOMETIMES be prevented by ONE CERTIN type of contraception (condom).

some cathlocs MIGHT NOT use a condom because of religion

it is POSSABLE that they MIGHT get AIDS.

all of those make some sense.. but what does he get from all of this?

"The Pope is responsable for over a million deaths"

obviousley.. quite a leap..

hes the kind of person who makes up/believes that the kinda crap like  "the US killed 500,000 children in Iraq".. sounds horrible doesent it.. lets see how that came to pass:

fathers join (or are forced to) join Iraq's army.

they invade Kuate and NATO declares war on them,

many many of them get killed

their kids now have no father

women cannot support children in that area(thanks to their WONDERFUL gov)

many children starve

result: "US killes 500,000 children..

funny they dont say NATO killed them... as thats who was over there.. not just US..

my point is that he does have facts that at least sort of makes sense.. but the way he puts them together and draws his conclusion is completely ludacris.

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

''funny they dont say NATO killed them... as thats who was over there.. not just US..''

i don't even think the likes of britain and france even have a carpet bombing regiment.

for the most part we get babysitting duty and the only useful thing we provide is some man power and special forces.

i know britain doesn't even have heavy bombers. I think thats what he was referring to

[Wobble 1]

no, the whole "us killed 500,000 children" is based on the fact that lots of kids starved to death because their fathers were killed in the war...a war fought against NATO, not just the US.  has nothing to do with carpet bombing..

the US almost never carpet bombs anything anymore... its too expensive...  why saturate an area with lots of bombs when you can hit exactly what you want with a single one..

the only time the US uses carpet bombing is when attack concentrations of armor or troops or something.. like the the Gulf war pretty much the only carpet bombing done was on the Iraque artillery setups.. which were stupidley gropued nice and close together, and I think a few ammo dumps *might* have been hit that way..

but as far as kids... well maby if some soldier brought his kid into battle.. but then thats his own damn fault.

as for the people who say the US killed 500,000 kids carpet bombing..   well its kinda funny that every time the US does any little thing it makes international news.. yet somehow we managed to carpet bomb 500,000 kids and it never even made the news...  yeaaaaaaa right.

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 12 2002,13:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no, the whole "us killed 500,000 children" is based on the fact that lots of kids starved to death because their fathers were killed in the war..  has nothing to do with carpet bombing..

the US almost never carpet bombs anything anymore... its too expensive...  why saturate an area with lots of bombs when you can hit exactly what you want with a single one..

the only time the US uses carpet bombing is when attack concentrations of armor or troops or something.. like the the Gulf war pretty much the only carpet bombing done was on the Iraque artillery setups.. which were stupidley gropued nice and close together, and I think a few ammo dumps *might* have been hit that way..

but as far as kids... well maby if some soldier brought his kid into battle.. but then thats his own damn fault.

as for the people who say the US killed 500,000 kids carpet bombing..   well its kinda funny that every time the US does any little thing it makes international news.. yet somehow we managed to carpet bomb 500,000 kids and it never even made the news...  yeaaaaaaa right.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't agree with people saying the US killed 500,000 kids or whatever, i'm just saying its not like the rest of NATO had a massive input on the bombings, its the US with all the carrier groups and heavy bombers, not all the european countries. The only really useful thing we (britain) can provide is the SAS and other special forces, who aren't exactly known for massacring thousands upon thousands of enemy troops.

If a guy tries to say that the US killed 500,000 people by carpet bombing, which isn't true, you still can't say 'it wasn't just the US, theres the rest of NATO' because most NATO countries don't have the resources or equipment to carpet bomb or even launch a mass bombing campaign like the US can.

[Wobble 1]

you still can't say 'it wasn't just the US, theres the rest of NATO' because most NATO countries don't have the resources or equipment to carpet bomb or even launch a mass bombing campaign like the US can.

yea I know, that wasnt what I was getting at.. I was saying that saying the US killed 500,000 children because their fathers died fighting the war is wrong (well oviousley) because their fathers were fighting NATO, not just the US..

carpet bombing is a waste of resources thses days.. its amlost never needed.

[Rogue2020 0]

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as for the people who say the US killed 500,000 kids carpet bombing.. well its kinda funny that every time the US does any little thing it makes international news.. yet somehow we managed to carpet bomb 500,000 kids and it never even made the news... yeaaaaaaa right

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Well they kill enough....I heard they go into these towns over there with flame throwers and fry em "L"...they said it's nothing but woman and children.....the soldiers didn't even want to but they had their orders.....I don't give a fuck....murda murda.......

[Rogue2020 0]

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carpet bombing is a waste of resources thses days.. its amlost never needed<span id='postcolor'>

It's an excuse to wipe the dust off your bombs.....

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 12 2002,14:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you still can't say 'it wasn't just the US, theres the rest of NATO' because most NATO countries don't have the resources or equipment to carpet bomb or even launch a mass bombing campaign like the US can.

yea I know, that wasnt what I was getting at.. I was saying that saying the US killed 500,000 children because their fathers died fighting the war is wrong (well oviousley) because their fathers were fighting NATO, not just the US..

carpet bombing is a waste of resources thses days.. its amlost never needed.<span id='postcolor'>

ahhh, ok. I thought you were accusing all NATO countries of carpet bombing, now i get it. Sorry

[110 0]

David Icke is the wierdest conspiracy nut-job. if you search under his name you'll probably find his website. lots of UFO and reptilian aliens from the fourth deminsion. enjoy..

110

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @ Feb. 12 2002,14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">US killed 500,000 Kids<span id='postcolor'>

I think most of you are missing the point of wobbles example. Going backwards step by step

It was NATO, not just the US, but it's nato's fault anyway, lets take another step

iraq invaded kuwait, Nato was helping a small country fight for itself. But it's not kuwait fault, lets take another step

Iraq sent their men to war.... aaaaaahhhhh.. now we are getting somewhere. Ironically (or not) Iraq is where it begins & ends.

Now for the story cu++ing the cr@p (middle bit out)

:iraq send men to war -> population starve to death

is it making sense now?

[Sandman 0]

So which is worst?

Golf or Carpet bombings?

[Wobble 1]

carpet bombing.. but insted of bombs, goofy white men in funny outfits with those hats

[Oligo 1]

Its so funny when you all say stuff like: "Iraq sent their men to war." I think it would be more truthful to say that the few in power in Iraq forced a lot of people to take up arms and attack Kuwait. I don't think there was a common vote about this invasion. So the sad point here is that just a few power crazy people managed to control the millions of an entire nation. Even sadder is that this happens again and again in different places as history progresses.

To counter the offensive forced by Saddam, NATO went to war. They killed a lot of people: definitely troops, most likely also women and children. When you play around with guns, people get killed, its what the guns were made for. When waging war, it should be understood that all sorts of people will die as a result. All this crap about striking only military targets is just theoretical and does not apply in the real world in which all systems are interconnected and intertwined.

NATO bounced the Iraqis out of Kuwait with a lot of blood shed. Results:

-The true culprit was neither captured nor killed (Saddam).

-A lot of people forced to wage war got killed (includes the soldiers of NATO).

-A lot of ordinary people had to kill, because they were told to, which is definitely not good for you.

-Bush and ironically Saddam got huge popular support.

-Kuwait got freed (Status Quo got returned)

According to the results, the people doing the fighting and dying got next to nothing out of this war.

When going off to the next war however justified, NATO should accept the fact that war cannot be clean and civilized. War is hell. So when the media starts showing the children blown to bits by NATO bombs, the public should accept this blood on their hands and not try to deny it. The politicians should not deny it either, but they should try to wrap up the war ASAP.