Public Ban List

[kronzky 5]

Branching off the "So many idiots..." thread, here's where we can discuss the specifics of a shared ban list.

This is NOT the place to discuss whether there should be a list like that or not. For those arguments, please use the original discussion in the General forum.

This discussion is for those of us who feel a shared list is a good and workable method of keeping destructive players out.

I personally feel that the list started by Armed Assault France is already pretty close to what we need:

* Only certified admins can submit their ban lists

* Banned IDs are cleared after one month on the list

* The ban list can be downloaded by anybody interested

I've sent Sébastien a revised translation for the English page already, and perhaps somebody more skilled in design could come up with a nice page layout. But I would think that if every serious admin would contribute to this list we would already be a big step closer to solving the problem of disruptive players.

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Well we have 5 admins for our 16AAB servers, all but one are on V1.04. we try to admin it as much as possible and we have been runing servers on other games for 5 years with our current server rules.

[sbsmac 0]

I think the idea is a good one and I'm pretty sure my team would like to be part of this. Personally I'd like to see it extended for other forms of anti-social behaviour such as abusive chat or spamming.

I'm a little worried about the potential for abuse - both deliberate and accidental (it's easy to write down ids incorrectly). It would be sensible to record _who_ the ban was requested by and the reason for it to allow some right of appeal.

[mattxr 9]

I will also be able to help greatly.. What i suggest in future which will be a great way to stop incorrect IDs being put up is Take a Screenshot of the player who is abusing the system of arma and then sent that along with the ID of the player also screenshoted to one of us admins.. who can then add them to the list.

Edit: i also updated my site with some hardcore tkers i cought today while playing some big coops on the {GG} sever.

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Screen shot will show the player, but not the player & his ID on screen ?

[Sébastien G. 0]

in the last topic they said : hey anti-TK script exist !!!...

i respond : hey why i see again TK who kill me in the camp base?

and is the script can differentiate a choper pilot who crash and kill 9 member of team ? ( and who are not a TK )

the server post nine team.. member x killed ( friendly fire)

is the script consider he like TK

if you don't see any TK problem, it's that you don't play lol

TK are numberous !!!! and script + ban list shared= the solution

it is not exclusive to have both

[Sébastien G. 0]

i have some idea to enhance the site... like : not really removed after a month, but stored in hidden part, and if the id are again banned... the id will be removed of the list after 2 month, etc...

like suggest other topic (which have be closed )

and perhaps a mailing list who send mail when database are updated...

if you have other idea... say it

for the restricted access for view ban list.. i don't know... every body can make a server... and everybody is concerned by TK...

[mattxr 9]

Screen shot will show the player, but not the player & his ID on screen ?

Its easy to see players and there Ids.. will not post how though..

As for chopper crashes people know that it was an accident..

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Having a list of servers who submit ID's to the list would be good.

[Sébastien G. 0]

Quote[/b] ]As for chopper crashes people know that it was an accident..

people yes, but script... i dont know...

anti-tk script is : if X friendly fire : kicked...

that's why i do this project.

and : it's not armed assault france... ( armedassault.fr )

but a other site independantly made in france

[Adv 0]

I am also concerned. The idea is good my only concern is every game I've played in the past with such a system has been abused.

It turned into a "name the guy who killed you alot the day before" or more often a "name your ex squaddies you are mad at for whatever reason" list instead of a real TK'r list and lost all credibility.

I think there should be a list no doubt I'd just hope that its taken seriously and does not go the way of so many others. Best way to do that is to insure only true TK'rs make the list.

[pchaxor 0]

Global Ban List

"GBL" protected servers will bring FEAR into the hearts of intentional TK'rs across the globe. This FEAR will minimize TKr's all in itself as long as it is communicated, known and accepted by the community.

The main concern of the community will be the lists' integrity.

Solve this issue and you may just have something.

Proposed Rules:

1. The Banned ID must be submitted by at least 3 registered admins. (registration will require the admin's ID)

2. The ban is to be PERM. Intentional TKr's ® BANNED 4 LIFE.

3. Any admin found to be submitting false ID's will be added to the ban list and not allowed to submit ID's.

4. If the Player ID is under question as being from a KeyGen, then this player name, IP and ID is submitted to BIS for a piracy investigation.

Now for the election.

Who will be the GBL keeper?

[mattxr 9]

ALSO IMPORTANT NOT TO ALLOW FALSE TKer IDs i prepose on the admins point of view on the server is to try and solve the problem before banning.. usually the case is this:

Quote[/b] ]

Player 1 Tk's = Friendly Warning

Player 1 Tk's = Full Warning of What Will Happen

Player 1 Tk's = Final Warning Pluss Kick from server

This usually sorts the problem but if that player returns..

Quote[/b] ]

PLayer 1 Tk's = Waring About being placed on a Global Ban List

PLayer 1 Tk's = Perminitly Place onto Ban List

Now we need people we trust to do that, not just wilily nilly becuase some tked and crashed a chopper or accidentally tked a few times to get banned all over.

[Sébastien G. 0]

for 1% of abuse, a system of joker can be making...

you have got one joker per armaid... if you have been banned, you can email to webmaster once time and he remove your ID... but he save too you use your joker...

i think if they are abuse, it's not for the same guy...

i will make a CSS system for the communauty... i'm not a webdesigner... you will be able to put your css in the site by writting url like : http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http

i will write too markup for using css...

and the community could propose their css like http://www.csszengarden.com/

[sirex 0]

... just make sure the list is backed up very often, as you can fully expect the site its hosted on to get hacked to hell and back.

[monkeyb 0]

Wow, I didn't realise my previous thread would mobilise an army against TK'ers.

Nice work chaps.

[DieAngel 0]

Okay here is a system that is little com)plex but that work pretty well on another game.

We have a system called ban-link, any server admin can register a "site" on the ban-link system, and then his server can connect to get an up to date ban list.

Basically any server admin can add a new ban for their "site", they can choose to add them globally or locally (like locally if you have a problem with a specific player, and globally for a cheater)

Then, the other server admin can decide to add his "site" to the list of sites that they trust, or not. All the servers of a given site are given a ban list that contain all the global bans filed by all the other sites they "trust" .

This way you give to the system a fast reaction time and you reduce the likelyness of having a corrupt admin as if they become known for posting unjustified bans, the other "site" admins will stop to trust him.

It is a lil complicated but it works better than a centrally administrated system, where if the main admins get corrupted, all the list is likely to suffer from it.

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Rito' , we need to trial a system and a set of guidelines next, and work from the issues we discover with the systems & guidelines.

We need a list of BETA servers/admins initially and how about the armaGBL official website which could be advertised as a community site of a sort.

My Ideas and some compiled from earlier posts in both threads:-

I agree, 3 TK's is an acceptable limit, as accidents do happen. As Admins have to be in the server, its likely they will be able to tell a chopper crash from a twit blowing up a squad because hes bored, or a blatent TK ( Walking up to someone and shooting them in the face because of whatever reason ).

3 TK's With warnings & then a punt is a good way to do it as previously mentioned, with the player returning & then continuing TK'ing leading to his final waring and submittion to the GBL.

The list should be downloadable by Any host, but submittion to be restricted to participating servers/admins as previously mentioned.

The hosts websites should carry some sort of indication that they are a GBL host ( as an indication of quality assurance to the public ) and a full list of the Submitting servers listed on the GBL website?

Warnings to be placed on the MOTD in game about behaviour and consequences of TK'ing of patricipating servers.

Application to become a Submitting server should involve " Secret Shopper" visits for a couple of weeks to the servers that are applying to judge the mental state of the admins if you like. then they can be accepted/rejected acciordingly.

[DieAngel 0]

Rambo, any thoughts on my system?

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Sorry, missed it, you must have posted yours as I was typing.

I'll try and get a read of it during my Lunch break.

[Sébastien G. 0]

css and markup made...

if you are a good css writer, you can read the source and use markup

after you can propose your css url like :

http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http

or

noob stopper style

or try to use css of zen garden :

http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http

http://armedassault.lan.online.fr/banarma....ss=http

it's just for your session, write here your css

and so, you can link in your web site the ban.txt shared :

like this

this file is automatically updated.

[mattxr 9]

yikes.. i last seen the list it was at 13.. now its at "banned IDs: 31"

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Die angel, if i read your post correctly, you want the gameservers to connect to the central banlist ? and not have a local one.?

If thats the case it cant currently work as there is no way of remote accessing any features in Arma for admin purposes ( how could BIS forget such a thing on a modern multiplayer game ! ) and you cant edit your local banlist while the serves running.

[sirex 0]

if you have control of the serving pc you could script to shut it down at a time every 2-3 days and wget the new file to the server, then start the server up again.

or, BIS add the ability to close the file handle on the ban list when its not in use and store it in memory (a silly small amount needed) - then you could edit it on the fly.

[2Lt High-16AAB- 0]

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