The so-called "grown up" community

[sniper pilot 36]

This sucks...

very true...

[Al Simmons 0]

I think most members in the OFP Community can handle their temper. I dont like arcade shooters like BF2, but i dont see a reason why i should went to a BF2-Forum, register, flame around and get banned?

The truth is that there are idiots in every group of human, no matter if in the internet or in the reality.

[CDN_DirtNapDonor 0]

Ex-Battlefield2 fan. I'll voice my opinions for your perusal:

#1 Battlefield2 is all about unrealistic and hindered, focused objective gameplay punctuated by what can be classified as "Arcadish, Bonzai-style head-on conflicts with a quick respawn time to lessen the impact of the consequences of the players actions."

#2 Graphics were way off the chart for its time. Gameplay was balanced only in the unforgiving damage stats that each weapon held e.g.: You don't fly high in a chopper because you get taken out by anti-aircraft fire; stay low, use the terrain as your cover, expose yourself only for the kill.

#3 The Battlefield2 community ruined their own game via rushing, corporate-generated nerfing, inability to develop skill in using the armament available. (My poor beloved BF2 )

#4 I totally dug OFP. At the time, I couldn't afford a "real" computer so my experience was pretty lame. I believe you can have graphics, plus gameplay and not have to sacrifice quality in either; of course this necessitates better hardware. Sad, but hey, it's gaming, you have to have the latest tech or the newest victim. Tee hee.

#5 If I am not mistaken I do recall saying way back that waiting for ARMA for another two years "Would absolutely kill its appeal" and "Your fans and the community will likely switch their focus to something newer," -in light of the recent actions of EA towards their customers with in-game Adware, how they nerfed by beloved BF2, how the BF2 community turned into "childish, non-skilled, rushing-style [noob] infested" people, I now see a little clearer. Judging by the previews and press on ARMA, I can see it tightening its grasp on the tactical wargame niche and politely squeezing the life out of %98 of other games.

#6 Everytime I used to login to a Battlefield2 server, I would hope like a little kid does while waiting for a special Christmas toy, that the teams and gameplay on that particular server would be more tactical. That players would perform recon, that others would performa defense etc. etc. Everytime disappointed. Everytime irritated that such an awesome engine could be used for such utter...lameness. (I know, I'm simple, I can't believe I thought that everytime, I feel rather dumb right now, I can tell you that.)

#7 I bought BF2+Spec Ops+Armored Fury twice over. For two gaming computers. I bought two new computers (for buddies to drop by and frag with me on) that cost alot of cash, just to play BF2. Then I saw the steady decline of the wargame, and an increase in the Counterstrike'ness of BF2. I'm 29yrs old, I don't want railstyle shoot em up, I want my tactical!!! Like OFP with better graphics and smarter AI!!! But just b/c I was in Battlefield2 while no other tactical games were out there please don't classify me [or others like me] who wanted graphics as "non-adults" or "BF2 people" because we were simply looking for something that turned out to be nothing like they said it WOULD be.

#8 Judging from the looks of the previews, I'll drop my cash on this as soon as I can physically get my hands on it. [i like the box, not the download version -unless the download version you get a boxed shipped to you as well? LOL] Maybe even twice.

#9 Judging from the looks of the previews I would positively LOVE this engine in a WWII type of setting for these reasons:

-Massive battles

-Destructible environments (kudos on that man. Holy grail I'm tellin you!

-Good balance between AI/Graphics/Physics!!!

-Huge environment.

Maybe it's just me but, I ain't tired of WWII because nobody has really done it well enough to get tired of it. I'm tired of modern day stuff because nobody can get it right, even on todays tech!

Looking forward to this game with extreme excitement.

[meyamoti 0]

This sucks...

Surely you could have something better to contribute.

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Any game where you can deploy a parachute after jumping 6 feet off the ground in full combat gear, then going prone in midair deserves every smoking chunk of flak I sling its way. Which isn't much, I add... I'm fairly sure the most offensive thing I've said about BF2 is,

"Oh, BF2, what a CS clone thou art."

OFP veterans regard BF2 with a slightly amused air of disbelief, disregard and downright elitism. We all know where the real tactical simulator is.

[DEAD_RABBIT 0]

I think we're trying too hard to convince BF2 players to drop BF2 (because we think it's so crap (a non-biased statement, because I have the game myself) and therefore, we pity these sore gamers on their playing-choice) and pick up ArmA.

Hence we have a BF2 players thread for people who want to step over to ArmA, although they have absolutely no clue what to expect. And all we're doing is saying like "ArmA is super realistic and etc..." while we should simply toss them a download link of the OFP demo and tell them that ArmA will be that, times 100 plus a 1000.

I also think that there are a lot of retarded OFP players. They oftentimes only play the game to kill shit and feel like they're in the military, as if they're really a Delta or a Ranger. I don't play OFP for that. If you want military incest, play America's Army.

And the level of frustration you get from playing a game depends completely on the crowd you're playing it with. Since the OFP.INFO game server is loaded with the BAS addons, the players that come there are oftentimes, really really annoying, imho. COOPeration is not their primary, but their tertiary. The primary being, give me a sniper rifle and the secondary being, start the goddamn game. OFP has its share of 'assholes' as well.

The reason however, why OFP's community is more 'adult/serious' is obviously reflected in how many diverse ways you can play OFP. BF2 is just one mode, killing in arcade style. OFP is like a spectrum of different kinds of play-styles.

To explain, BF2's arcade style doesn't make it complex, and because of that, the novelty of trying to play the game in a different, perhaps more serious way, is almost impossible because you're being drawn back into old arcade play patterns, due to how the reward/punishment system works for arcade games. If you don't play arcade, you don't get rewarded. Only with mods that change that system, is it possible to alter the reward/punishment system.

OFP is so much more diverse, you have more freedom and more options. That's what makes OFP more complex and it gives you the spectral choice between the borders of 'me-Rambo-me-Like-Killing' and 'the-most-tactical-correct-solution'. Adding mods to the mix, hardly changes that spectral choosing, but it adds more importance to some choices in the spectrum and diminishes others.

In BF2, you play only for two choices. A) Fun (although that's very questionable, since the game is a bug-heaven) and B) Stat-whoring (which always works with online arcade games, because it adds the feeling of achievement). But with OFP, there is a spectrum of choice and it gives the player a huge range of play styles. More adult, more arcade or whatever you like, as you grow up. I recall that I played OFP a lot more Rambo back when I first bought the game, because I liked the tensity of the situations so goddamn much (as in, you could survive them, but you had to struggle with yourself to get it done). Nowadays, I prefer more tactical oriented COOP matches and huge battles, where the CO's decision, can make my life more difficult or easier to preserve.

But to conclude, I do think the OFP community is a hell lot more serious/adult than the BF2 community, but communities do tend to follow, like somewhere said before in this thread, the effect of tribalism, no matter what community you're in.

[DarkOmen 0]

How can someone hate another game or people that play a particular game?

It's total crap, but well it's the internet. So why wonder.

And besides that I don't think OFP players are more grown up than players of other games.

How can you be so stupid? I Hate you for being so ignorant!!!

But on the serious side .. it doesn't just happen on the internet, it happens everywhere. It's Human Nature.

Quote[/b] ]#6 Everytime I used to login to a Battlefield2 server, I would hope like a little kid does while waiting for a special Christmas toy, that the teams and gameplay on that particular server would be more tactical. That players would perform recon, that others would performa defense etc. etc. Everytime disappointed. Everytime irritated that such an awesome engine could be used for such utter...lameness. (I know, I'm simple, I can't believe I thought that everytime, I feel rather dumb right now, I can tell you that.)

Totally agree. I was stuck in a similar void looking for a tactical game and not all this horrible arcadish ridicule. Sometimes in games like CoD2 or BF2 I tried so hard to play it like a proper soldier, even with a few friends to fight together with it always turned out like crap and extreme mental anguish.

ArmA should well be worth the money.

Quote[/b] ]And the level of frustration you get from playing a game depends completely on the crowd you're playing it with. Since the OFP.INFO game server is loaded with the BAS addons, the players that come there are oftentimes, really really annoying, imho. COOPeration is not their primary, but their tertiary. The primary being, give me a sniper rifle and the secondary being, start the goddamn game. OFP has its share of 'assholes' as well.

Yes it all depends on the player. I've played many Coop maps where it's almost as boring and rambo as any game, mainly because the other players only care about their score. Even though OFP.Info is great, I try to stay away from their server.

However there are a lot of great players in the OFP/ArmA community to group up with, unlike games like BF2 where I found it impossible to even make a friend within the chaos.

Agree with your whole post DEAD_RABBIT.

[h - 169]

I hate to do this here, but anyway:

and please if you must represent such a prestigious webiste as a moderator, refrain from making statements "I'm not truely an OFP fan" like this , it is simply not called for that you make up things in order to strengthen a point.

I'm sorry, it's either I don't understand you or you don't understand me..

The sentence does not end with the . after the word etc

I meant that your post seems to suggest that a true OFP fan only plays OFP and nothing else, so with that logic I'm not one as I enjoy playing other/other kind of games as well..

Quote[/b] ] btw out of interset and on a different subject ,you wear the ofpec tag, may i ask the last time you played ofp in multiplayer or actually made a mission for mp.

What that has to do with anything?

Only MP players/mission makers are true OFP fans, thus better community members than others?

[Balschoiw 0]

Oh my...

Can we just lock the thread and agree that there is BF2 and OFP ?

Moderators are working hard to deal with the new users who are interested in ArAs and OFP.

Of course people who are dealing with OFP for more than 5 years do love "their" game and they will be defending it against flat BF2 wishes which often collide with reality or the game concept itself.

The post-count of the users involved in this discussion tells alot.

Why not just rest the case and contribute to the community ?

Lot´s of time and space is wasted with BF2<->OFP quarrel.

It´s a free world. Everyone can play what he wants. In the end the storm will be soon over when ArAs is released, the good will stay, and the rest will troll away. It´s been like that with OFP , so it will be with ArAs .

If BF2 players have fun with ArAs it´s great, if not, the world still will not collapse.

PS:

The postcount-hint of course is not meant to be rude, or whatever. Surprisingly though, the ones with little numbers toot loudest on both sides.

Just relax and don´t start wars that do not need to be started as noone will benefit.

[h - 169]

Just to note that my post count is not that low in reality..

(if you were even referring to me )

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I dont know much about BF2 - never played it to be honest. I know what people around here think about it, and I don't wanna try it out, since im absolutely sure it will be crap (in my eyes). I didn't like BF1942, and I assume BF2 gameplay is somewhere around it.

I like gameplay, teamplay and long-lasting battles with military radio contact over Teamspeak. That is why I liked OFP - and will hopefully enjoy ArmA as well.

I can't follow you (topic-creator) 100%, though - I only rarely see any bashing of BF2 (or any other game for that matter) on these and other OFP-sites. When I see them, I simply ignore them - you should do that too.

I assume most people around here are enlightened enough to see that BF2 is meant to be played in another way than OFP and ArmA is - it's quite simple.

Minesweeper will probably not be liked by most people inhere (don't flame me now), but that's because it's meant to be played differently than what people here seek.

I think the upper statement about BF2 is the first time I even mentioned BF2 here or anywhere else among our community.

[dm 9]

...Of course people who are dealing with OFP for more than 5 years do love "their" game and they will be defending it against flat BF2 wishes which often collide with reality or the game concept itself...

...It´s a free world. Everyone can play what he wants. In the end the storm will be soon over when ArAs is released, the good will stay, and the rest will troll away. It´s been like that with OFP , so it will be with ArAs...

PS:

The postcount-hint of course is not meant to be rude, or whatever. Surprisingly though, the ones with little numbers toot loudest on both sides.

Just relax and don´t start wars that do not need to be started as noone will benefit.

Putting it perfectly as always Bals.

I didn't really want to get involved in this one, but I just can't help myself (that and I have uni work I really should be doing, and these forums are an EXCELLENT form of procrastination )

Does it really matter what games people played before coming to ArmA?

Sure, it sucks having the same "omg the gfx suck" posts over and over, but you get that where EVER you go, no matter what the game, no matter what the forum, there will always be those who arent pleased. As the saying goes "you cant please all of the people all of the time".

Personally, I like to think that I've contributed to the community over the 4 years I've been here, but I have over 200 hours of BF2 time too.

Does that make my contribution any less? Does that make my maturity any less? I like to think not...

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Putting it perfectly as always Bals.

Cheers !

(I am not the gorilla)

[Jinef 2]

Quote[/b] ]The post-count of the users involved in this discussion tells alot.

Someone may have a very high post count and be an immature tit, whereas the person who doesn't waste his life posting in threads like this could be a very mature and sensible person.

A lot of people on the Zeus community do not have BI forum profiles, yet we are one of the most mature and sensible communities out there (excluding me of course).

[kernriver 4]

Why do we act like we do....about OFP, ArmA, BF2, anything???

Friends, here is a qoute from Albert Einstein:

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

This is not ment as an insult to anyone, of course, I just wanna say that good ole Albert had an answer a long time ago...

[JdB 151]

Postcount doesn't really matter on this forum, if you spam too much or make useless posts you'll never attain a high postcount

[Daniel 0]

Not only that but the guy in question's old profile probably goes into the thousands. Heck, look at me, over a thousand posts and what have I ever contributed outside my clans?

[chipper 0]

Every community has their assholes but I like to believe the OFP community has the fewest and is the most mature.

[NeZz_DK 1]

I like to play games, and I try loads of demos and even buy the ones I think showed some promise in the demos, some of them were BF2, COD2, HL2 and when I have played them for a week I always come back to my beloved Operation Flashpoint , because of all the possibilities for editing, addons and downloading new missions, thats what the other games are missing in the simple way OFP provides it and thats why I keep comming back for more OFP, all the others get boring after playing them for a while, because they dont supply enough content.

so lets hail the king Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis.

and be ready to hail the new king Armed Assault

[benreeper 0]

About the post count thing:

He's not taliking about the person with a hundred or so posts. I've been here for 5 years and do not have alot of posts. He's talking about the user with one to a couple of posts. Most of those posters are new to the game and many of them have unrealistic expectations and/or wants the game molded into the style of game they are used to.

With regards to the BF series: OFP has ruined other games for me.

--Ben

[bn880 5]

My view; to each his own. Different people have different needs for entertainment. We are here mostly as we are realism freaks, many of us anyway. Others will prefer more spectacular games, more fast paced unreal action, and so forth. In the end there will be a market for both all the time, some people can't handle more realism after their day-day life, others crave it.

Therefore we should lay off the BF, UT, CS players... a few of us should check where we came from in terms of games, ever enjoyed a game of Wolf, Doom, Duke 3D, Shadow Warrior in the past?

Anyway, everyone is different is not just something to say, it's a fact.

Lastly this thread needs to get locked, and the key needs to be burried at sea.

[franze 196]

I play LB2, GRAW, and LOMAC regularly, in addition to FP.

FP is a good game (I'm not going to say great), but it's a good game for getting a varied aspect that is unavailable in most games. With FP I can strap on an Apache Longbow and blast some tanks, command a squad of soldiers and take on a enemy held town in a daring stealth attack, hop into a F/A-18 and splash some MiGs, crash the front lines with an M1A1, and do it all in one sitting without having to load a separate game.

In FP, my Apache isn't going to square up much with the actual simulation provided by LB2, but LB2 won't let my perfect attack mission turn into a mission gone wrong where I have to dodge masses of tanks and infantry to get to a friendly rescue point.

FP's infantry aspect is highly clunky compared to what GRAW offers. I don't feel fluid at all - a flesh and blood tank without any armor. But GRAW won't let me trade my rifle and boots in for a 120mm cannon and some treads. GRAW won't let me snipe somebody in a awesome shot from 1.5k out. GRAW won't let me have a M21 and then trade that in for a AK47 when I'm out of ammo.

In LOMAC, I can hit my burners and hit Mach 1 without having to take my hands off the stick. I have an actual radar system to target enemy aircraft. I have to actually slave my Maverick seeker to that damn T80. But I can't have a mission that dynamically changes based upon the current situation. I can't fly a helicopter for those times when I really need something stealthy. I can't eject and look forward to a long trek back to base.

In closing, there's a lot I don't like about FP: I hate not being able to do loops and rolls in my Apache. I want to be able to kill that tank from 8 klicks out without worrying about my missile committing suicide. I want to be able to dive for cover and vault over that stupid 2ft high wall. I want to be able to take more than just 10 magazines for my equipment. I want to be able to actually have good rudder authority on my jet. I want to worry about whether or not my hydraulics are shot to hell and if the gear will still work. I want my wing to fly off and see my aircraft spin around on fire because the only thing left of my wing is a shredded mess of aluminum! I want to be able to go uphill in my tank at a speed greater than my grandmother drives at. I want to have to shift gears on my transmission. I want to see my APFSDS round go through that friggin 1 inch wide branch on that tree and clean through that T-55 before it knows it hit anything.

But I can't drive tanks in LB2. I can't fly helicopters in GRAW. I can't evade capture on foot in LOMAC. FP is missing tons of elements, but it's the best balance I know of that combines all these aspects into one package so I can have fun with more than just one aspect.

ArmA won't give me everything I want, but at least it will be a step in the right direction.

[Capitan_eXtreme 0]

My two cents...

OFP is a great game. Certainly one of the best shooters out there, and ranking high in overall gaming-uberness. I first played the demo back in 2001, waited two years to get it, and finally bought the GOTY edition about 18 months ago. But I don't play it much anymore - thats why I'm looking forward to ArmA so much

But, BF2, that most controversial (at least on these forums) of games, is also very high on my list. I play it regularly, and I love it. It has something that OFP can't have - true "hero moments." The quasi-realistic gameplay makes it brialliant. The fact that you can, as a sniper shoot a guy dead from your bunker, run out, plant a claymore, take out another guy with your rifle at point blank, quickly check the map and slide down a small slope emptying half a mag of your pistol into an American soldier on the run, emptying the other half into a guy coming over the dune towards you and then get shot by the next guy before you can reload your rifle, only to have the corpse of the guy unlucky enough to hit your claymore fall down next to you - and all in the space of 10 seconds - makes it one of my favourite games.

What I'm trying to get out here, is that you can like both chocolate and vanilla ice-cream. When you get fed up with lag in BF2, you can crank up OFP and proceed to get fed up with bad collision detection and the clasic deadpan "OH NO...2 IS DOWN," before returning to the endless server crashes, and so on.

Enjoy bothgames for what they are - labours of love by talented developers, that are both extremely fun to play.

[Straw Dog 0]

I second that...

I'm having an affair with some "fast pace" shooters while staying married to OFP. We have our domestic problems but she's for life...  

[Mr_Tea 0]

It`s all about realism.

No more, no less.