Football World Cup 2006 in Germany

[klavan 0]

One of the main causes of italian good performance this evening has to be searched in Germany......Not the football team, but the country. Here in Italy we get really angry for some unfair and offensive (and in some extent a bit racist ) words some german journalists wrote in the past few days.

This victory is in the face of those idiots.

It was delightful to see all these "we will win for sure tonight against these poor mafiosi-pizza-eaters-divers-cheaters-insects-parasites-and so on" supporters crying like childrens.

Really delightful!

TiÄ.

Klavan

[Messiah 2]

well played by both teams... the italian goals were delightful, if not very heartbreaking for the German fans... Here's to a france/italy final

[SPQR 0]

Here's to a france/italy final  

Or Portugal/Italy

Favorites always loose

[Messiah 2]

i meant what i said... if portugal makr it to the final, i'll cry at such a travesty

[martinovic 0]

The ref didn't give the germans 2 penalty kicks... it's a shame but anyways i hope france wins the cup. They beat brazil afterall.

[klavan 0]

The ref didn't give the germans 2 penalty kicks...

Thank you Martinovic, this will give me a real !

Klavan

[Chris Death 0]

@Garcia: Ghana and Ivory Coast played well attractive offensive football - they failed both.

Shite playing Brazilians won 3:0 against Ghana and 1 week

later nobody asks about the 'how' anymore.

Italy probably plays boring for you but they play out of a

secure defense. They succeeded and not the first time.

Ya know - football isn't only scoring goals - the more important is to get less goals than you shoot.

If you ask any experienced coach about italian tactics, last

what he would mention is that they are playing boring football.

Now @all others:

Tonight it was a great game, even if the main goal in the

first 90" was not to lose the game (from both teams).

Though the extra time was exciting and fast and full of

excellent football.  

And btw - yeah even the big Ballack puts his hands into his

face when it comes to contact near the head  

(not only Henry does it).

:edit

Quote[/b] ]The ref didn't give the germans 2 penalty kicks... it's a shame but anyways i hope france wins the cup. They beat brazil afterall.

Even more: the Italians have stolen them 5 penalty kicks

by their 2 latenight goals

~S~ CD

[norsu 180]

A deserved victory for Italy this time. Although I'm pretty dissappointed that Italy went all the way to final after that Australia match. Also those referee bribings in Italy's biggest league... just sad .

Don't get me wrong. I like when they play good football like in this match but latest events haven't really raised my respect towards them.

[king homer 1]

Congratulation, well played Italy. A deserved first goal. Second goal just happened because the German team lost it's motivation. That's how it looked for me.

But hey, no reason to be sad anyway. In the end, soccer is just a game. Let's give it another try in Africa.

[denoir 0]

They still play shitty football...they play defensive football, their main goal seems to be to not concede a goal. With the skills they've got forward on the pitch they could have played stunning football, like Brazil does, but instead they play boring. Italy is the opposite of Brazil. Brazil plays fun, entertaining, offensive football, and sometimes (like in this WC) they play shite...Italy plays boring, bad, defensive football, but sometimes (like in the last 2 matches, and a bit in the Czech match) good football...they could have been one of the funniest team to watch in general, but instead they're one of the most boring...

I personally prefer the more sophisticated tactical style of Italy (strong team defence with quick counters) to the more simple style preferred by for instance England and Sweden (long shots to the penalty box with forwards and midfielders rushing in). But yes, the Italian style has less raw "action". I guess it's a question of personal preference.

Where I have a problem with Italy is that on occasion, in matches where they are convinced of their superiority, the players can't be bothered to play. A good example was the Italy-USA match where the Italians played some very bad football and the players looked like they thought they had better things to do with their time.

As for Brazil, they are on occasion capable of entertaining football, but not this time around. Sure they won against significantly weaker teams but as they had no team play to speak of they had no chance against a good team. Even the individual players like Ronaldinho were a disappointment.

[berghoff 11]

Wow, how nice right in the last few minutes 2 goals couldn't they have done it earlier . heh.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Quote[/b] ]Where I have a problem with Italy is that on occasion, in matches where they are convinced of their superiority, the players can't be bothered to play. A good example was the Italy-USA match where the Italians played some very bad football and the players looked like they thought they had better things to do with their time.

It was an ok match, the Italians were trying to control the match, until the referee screwed things up...then it became a farce.

[Shadow NX 1]

Damn im sad  

Went to bed right after the second goal cause ive already had seen enough.

But i guess no reason to be sad cause we already achived more than we first expected.

However, congrats to Italy, well played.

@Klavan

Dont be whiny ^^

When i think what the english press wrote about Germany before... The Gestapo is comming and such ( a few years ago at the European cup ).

Worldcup is the time to be a lil political un-correct from time to time, however i can live without such stuff aswell

Its usually the boulevard press only that writes such shit like our fecking BILD or the english SUN.

[mp_phonix 0]

The Gestapo is comming and such ( a few years ago at the European cup ).

LoL first time I hear that. my friends also told me this stupid thing about the Italy-Germany match:

"who do you want to win ? the Phashists or the Nazis ? {stupid though}

[klavan 0]

@Klavan

Dont be whiny ^^

When i think what the english press wrote about Germany before... The Gestapo is comming and such ( a few years ago at the European cup ).

Worldcup is the time to be a lil political un-correct from time to time, however i can live without such stuff aswell

Its usually the boulevard press only that writes such shit like our fecking BILD or the english SUN.

I wasn't whiny, I was hurted.

Maybe for some people such war of words are an habit, but not for me and for the rest of italians.

Klavan

[mr burns 132]

Sad indeed, not that i´d miss a star on Germanys jerseys...it´s just the overall good mood you could feel here, now mostly gone

But anyways, although we did´nt get into finals we´re still pope

[CsonkaPityu 0]

I wasn't whiny, I was hurted.

Maybe for some people such war of words are an habit, but not for me and for the rest of italians.

Klavan

Before the Poland vs Germany match the germans wrote: in 1939 it took us a few months to take you down, but now we'll do it on 90 minutes. The polish people didn't get all whiny and "hurt" about it, they knew it was harmless. Stop taking these things seriously. The germans could have busted out with seriously insulting stuff. *cough* cheating scandal *cough*

Anyways GO FRANCE! *rawr*

[klavan 0]

I wasn't whiny, I was hurted.

Maybe for some people such war of words are an habit, but not for me and for the rest of italians.

Klavan

Before the Poland vs Germany match the germans wrote: in 1939 it took us a few months to take you down, but now we'll do it on 90 minutes. The polish people didn't get all whiny and "hurt" about it, they knew it was harmless. Stop taking these things seriously. The germans could have busted out with seriously insulting stuff. *cough* cheating scandal *cough*

Anyways GO FRANCE! *rawr*

I was hurted.

And if they would have talked about the italian football scandal I assure you I wouldn't get hurted.

For me the case is closed, I don't want to flamebate, really.

Klavan

[Garcia 0]

Quote[/b] ]@Garcia: Ghana and Ivory Coast played well attractive offensive football - they failed both.

Shite playing Brazilians won 3:0 against Ghana and 1 week

later nobody asks about the 'how' anymore.

Italy probably plays boring for you but they play out of a

secure defense. They succeeded and not the first time.

Ya know - football isn't only scoring goals - the more important is to get less goals than you shoot.

If you ask any experienced coach about italian tactics, last

what he would mention is that they are playing boring football.

Indeed, but Ghana and Ivory Coast didn't play tactical at all (like most african teams tend to do ). The problem with Italy is that they play tactically well, but they just plays boring football. Football is supposed to be entertaining, but in too many matches italy scores a early goal, and then it's 10 men on their own half, and they don't even seem to give a shit about counters either. The last 2 matches have been good, where they've actually given a shit. Besides, in my opinion their playing style isn't the best one tactically. How many times haven't they played the defensive style and still gone to shit. I think they would have gone much much further in general in tournaments if they combined their defensive power with giving a damn about attacking. Just look at the extra time. They played very good offensive football. If they would have played more like that in the 2-3 last WCs etc they would probably be much more sucsessful than they have been. They're wasting their offensive powers because they don't want to concede goals...

Quote[/b] ]I personally prefer the more sophisticated tactical style of Italy (strong team defence with quick counters) to the more simple style preferred by for instance England and Sweden (long shots to the penalty box with forwards and midfielders rushing in). But yes, the Italian style has less raw "action". I guess it's a question of personal preference.

Well, I prefer the type of footy they play in Premier League (the english team doesn't really play that way...they play worse), but the Italian style can be fun too. Though the Italian team just doesn't even play that way. I can watch Italian serie A and like it, because they have much more speed in their attacks, they dare more on their counters. Italy just, doesn't even dare shit when they send 2-3 men in counters. They stop and try to build up a attack, they lower the speed and keep possesion. Especially if they got a goal or two.

Quote[/b] ]Where I have a problem with Italy is that on occasion, in matches where they are convinced of their superiority, the players can't be bothered to play. A good example was the Italy-USA match where the Italians played some very bad football and the players looked like they thought they had better things to do with their time.

Indeed, that is possibly the biggest problem with Italy. The players plainly giving a shit combined with the defensive style just gives shit football. They just ends up keeping the ball and not doing anything. The match yesterday was a good example of when the Italian style is fun, because the players actually tried to do anything, and because they actually dared to attack even after the first goal. They even dared to attack with many men so their defence was weakened.

Quote[/b] ]As for Brazil, they are on occasion capable of entertaining football, but not this time around. Sure they won against significantly weaker teams but as they had no team play to speak of they had no chance against a good team. Even the individual players like Ronaldinho were a disappointment.

Yes, Brazil was shite this WC. They played horrible against france. The thing is, I'm quite sure that Italy could have played football like Brazil usually do, because their team is very good. If Italy just dared to try it, they would have a chance, and without doubt, the Brazilian style have been more sucessful than the Italian style.

Though, of course, I mean this partly because I just hate the Italians way of playing football. Some do like them, but at least here in Norway about everyone I've talked to mean that Italy play destructive, boring football.

[Chris Death 0]

Quote[/b] ]Football is supposed to be entertaining

Just that one Garcia: seems you missed the point.

When football is entertaining, some people with lots of money

can make even more money.

Football is supposed to win the game.

I also prefer attractive football but i say again: if you win

the cup, nobody will ask you later how - everybody will just

remember who won.

~S~ CD

[Thunderbird 0]

Quote[/b] ]Yes, Brazil was shite this WC. They played horrible against france

Honestly, I think that we simply played better...

And I hope we would do the same against portugal tonight, I'm afraid it's gonna be harder than against Spain or Brazil because of the way portugues play football and their determination to win, but we can do it and we would hopefully avenge our british and oranjes friends.

Support us everyone! Go Zidane! Go France!

Regards

Thunderbird84

[Messiah 2]

Honestly, I think that we simply played better...

very true

[Bordoy 0]

Although i hate to say this............. C'mon France!!!!!

[Garcia 0]

Quote[/b] ]Football is supposed to be entertaining

Just that one Garcia: seems you missed the point.

When football is entertaining, some people with lots of money

can make even more money.  

Football is supposed to win the game.

I also prefer attractive football but i say again: if you win

the cup, nobody will ask you later how - everybody will just

remember who won.

~S~ CD

I think you've missed something. Football wouldn't be close to this big if it wasn't entertaining. What keeps football big is supporters. Without supporters, the players wouldn't get paid because then clubs wouldn't get money from tickets and sponsors. Every single sport is there because it entertains. If it didn't entertain, it would only be something people did because it would possibly be fun to do even though it was boring to watch. Of course football is about winning, but it's a balance between entertaining and winning. A team that plays football that nobody likes won't be sucsessful because nobody would support that team, though a team wouldn't be sucsessful if it didn't win because of the same reason.

Quote[/b] ]Honestly, I think that we simply played better...

Yes, France played better, but Brazil still played shite. They played shite both because France outplayed them, but also because they were, well, playing shite in general too IMO France didn't play stunning good, but certainly much better than Brazil.

[kavoven 4]

Go France, go