Does God exsist?

[Damage Inc 0]

Don't say that or he'll reset your post count.

[Thehamster 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krusty @ Jan. 21 2002,17:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeha but where the hell did god come from if nothing existed before god told it too. God could not exist if there was nothing there for god to exist from.<span id='postcolor'>

It all comes down to the fact that "something" has to be the original "thing" that has always existed and is the supreme cause for everything, probably the cause of time itself, so the question "what was before it" or "what caused it" don't make sense. Two good candidates for this are God, and the Universe itself. Now our best sience tells us that the universe had a beginning (big bang etc.) so it seems to not be an eteral cause of everything. Something must have caused it. Sientific study of this universe cannot tell us about causes before the universe, so there could be causes totaly unknown and unknowable to us. Or you could say that the universe just popped into existance with no cause, which is illogical, or you have God. God seems to me to be the best choice, as it is not illogical, and it is something we can know something about. Clearly this is on proof, but it seems to be to take the smallest leap of faith, especially because our modern picture of the universe appearing out of nother in a big bang is just what you might expect from God creating the universe. (In fact many sientists were unconfortable with the big bang, or regected it for this very reason when it was first suggested)<span id='postcolor'>

Hey I think the universe was a total fluke in happening.

But if there were a creator god why would he bother creating a universe... for fun? Was he board? How would know the concept of a universe if one did not exist?

How do we not know this only one of many Universes each one eventually dying out and new one being created from each one as we go along this could be the billionth universe in the process for all we know.

[nordin dk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe that the Big Bang created God.<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then your "God" probably isn't worthy of the title "God"  

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Why not? He would still be the supreme most powerful being in the universe, no?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or you could say that the universe just popped into existance with no cause, which is illogical, or you have God. God seems to me to be the best choice, as it is not illogical, and it is something we can know something about. <span id='postcolor'>

Let's see, what exactly do you know about "God" that isn't conjecture, fantasy, wishful thinking??

There's nothing logic about it, there's only instant superficial security since you can explain eveything you don't understand as being "the will of God" or "God works in mysterious ways".

It's ok if you call the Big Bang illogical, just don't the concept of "God" logical.

I say the universe is an infinitely more fantastic place, without the idea of a god.

It makes eveything so much more precious...

[Guest]

"Or you could say that the universe just popped into existance with no cause, which is illogical, or you have God. God seems to me to be the best choice, as it is not illogical, and it is something we can know something about."

But where god came from? It is also illogical. That's why I believe that human imagination created god...

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

This is an interesting theory:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Energy of a Trillion Atomic Bombs in Every Cubic Centimeter of Space!

Michael Talbot and David Bohm (in quotes) in Talbot's The Holographic Universe, Chapter 2: The Cosmos as Hologram, p.51 According to our current understanding of physics, every region of space is awash with different kinds of fields composed of waves of varying lengths. Each wave always has at least some energy. When physicists calculate the minimum amount of energy a wave can possess, they find that every cubic centimeter of empty space contains more energy than the total energy of all the matter in the known universe!

Space is not empty. It is full, a plenum as opposed to a vacuum, and is the ground for the existence of everything, including ourselves. The universe is not separate from this cosmic sea of energy, it is a ripple on its surface, a comparatively small "pattern of excitation" in the midst of an unimaginably vast ocean. "This excitation pattern is relatively autonomous and gives rise to approximately recurrent, stable and separable projections into a three-dimensional explicate order of manifestation," states Bohm.[12] In other words, despite its apparent materiality and enormous size, the universe does not exist in and of itself, but is the stepchild of something far vaster and more ineffable. More than that, it is not even a major production of this vaster something, but is only a passing shadow, a mere hiccup in the greater scheme of things.

[12] Bohm, Wholeness, p.192

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[ChickenHawk 0]

How do we not know this only one of many Universes each one eventually dying out and new one being created from each one as we go along this could be the billionth universe in the process for all we know.

Becuase the Universe is not contracting.

On the contary.

It is expanding, and as it expands it is speeding up. A bit like a grenade going off and the pieces speeding up as they get thrown further away.

[Oligo 1]

What you all fail to see is the fact that it does not make any difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not:

According to general moral rules, you are responsible for what you do. Now if you look at the world, good and bad things seem to happen to everybody, including the innocent (f. ex. babies), without any particular bias. Thus if you assume that God still affects the world (and hasn't for example gone for a vacation), you must make the conclusion that this hypothetical omnipotent God is not good nor is it evil. Since God is not good or evil, the actions it takes can be considered to be totally random from the perspective of humans. Incidentally, if God did not exist, things would also be totally random. Thus, it makes no difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not.

If believing in God helps you to be happier in life, believe away. If you are miserable because you believe in God, denounce the bastard.

[Krusty 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What you all fail to see is the fact that it does not make any difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not:

According to general moral rules, you are responsible for what you do. Now if you look at the world, good and bad things seem to happen to everybody, including the innocent (f. ex. babies), without any particular bias. Thus if you assume that God still affects the world (and hasn't for example gone for a vacation), you must make the conclusion that this hypothetical omnipotent God is not good nor is it evil. Since God is not good or evil, the actions it takes can be considered to be totally random from the perspective of humans. Incidentally, if God did not exist, things would also be totally random. Thus, it makes no difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not.

If believing in God helps you to be happier in life, believe away. If you are miserable because you believe in God, denounce the bastard.

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If God (at least the God of Christianity) does exist, it surely matters more than anything else because it means that how you live your life now determines how you will spend eternity.

The fact that God doesn't stop bad things from happening to good people doesn't prove that He doesn't care or that He doesn't have a stance on good and evil. This could be the case, but it also could be that He has some reason not to save everyone all the time.

God gave everyone free will to do as they please. That means it is not God's fault that we screw up all the time. All human suffering is a result of human sin.

What about natural disasters? Almost all victims of natural disasters would be saved if we did a good job of distributing resources and helping each other. Earthquakes and such will always cause death and destruction, but even this would be different if humans had never fallen (Eve eating the fruit etc.)

In the end the problem "bad things happening to good people" is sort of a false problem anyway. There are no "good" people. Perhaps with the exception of small children, everyone has sinned and screwed up. No one ever gets more than they "deserve."

Theologically this issue is very well studied, and although it is hard to understand on an emotional level (who doesn't think "Why me?" when something bad happens) it isn't a problem for the existence of God.

[Krusty 0]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey I think the universe was a total fluke in happening.<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, you're entitled to your opinion, that just takes too big a leap of faith for me .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if there were a creator god why would he bother creating a universe... for fun? Was he board?<span id='postcolor'>

He wanted someone to have a relationship with. To love and be loved essentially. This is why we have free will, and live in a world where it is possible to ignore God. Love is meaningless unless there is the possibility of hate.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How would know the concept of a universe if one did not exist?<span id='postcolor'>

It seems that He has a good imagination

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do we not know this only one of many Universes each one eventually dying out and new one being created from each one as we go along this could be the billionth universe in the process for all we know.<span id='postcolor'>

No one is saying this isn't possible. Almost any scenario you can come up with is possible. The question is what is most likely. God is certainly more likely

[MrLaggy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @ Jan. 21 2002,17:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Albet Einstien believed in God. Stephan Hawkings believes in God and about 65% of the worlds mathematiciens believe in God.<span id='postcolor'>

I'd be interested to see some proof of that, because I've met very few scientists or mathematicians of any kind who were pop-Christians. And I certainly do know that the "God" Einstein believed in is very different to the "God" that pop-Christians believe in, and vastly different to the "God" that TV evangelists believe in.

I mean, even I believe there is an experience which Christians refer to as "God", but it's certainly not some bloke with a white beard sitting on a cloud and judging people's actions here on earth.

[Oligo 1]

I should have guessed that somebody will reply using the standard doctrinal responses of christianity. Man I have heard those from at least three priests and other people as well. You should form your own opinions and not just absorb readily chewed doctrine.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If God (at least the God of Christianity) does exist, it surely matters more than anything else because it means that how you live your life now determines how you will spend eternity.

God gave everyone free will to do as they please. That means it is not God's fault that we screw up all the time. All human suffering is a result of human sin.

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If we assume that God created us, naturally it is responsible for us and for what we do. "Free will" is just an illusion, since God created each of us to be like we are. Thus it is God who should be judged for our sins, not us who are just made to be what we are. You have to remember that an omnipotent God does not make mistakes and controls EVERYTHING (hence omnipotent), so it must have intentionally made us so that we would sin.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fact that God doesn't stop bad things from happening to good people doesn't prove that He doesn't care or that He doesn't have a stance on good and evil. This could be the case, but it also could be that He has some reason not to save everyone all the time.

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Any talks about "a great plan" (which would explain why God doesn't save everybody all the time) are just bogus, since if that plan involved some babies dying in horrible pain, God would be evil. A good and omnipotent God could make plans that didn't include babies dying in horrible pain, since EVERYTHING is possible for it. Thus when making plans, God doen't care what happens to us.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about natural disasters? Almost all victims of natural disasters would be saved if we did a good job of distributing resources and helping each other. Earthquakes and such will always cause death and destruction, but even this would be different if humans had never fallen (Eve eating the fruit etc.) <span id='postcolor'>

For helping victims of natural disasters (caused by God not giving a damn that people die needlessly) we don't need God. We just need to work together. Eve ate the fruit, because God made her so that she would. It was Gods sin.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the end the problem "bad things happening to good people" is sort of a false problem anyway. There are no "good" people. Perhaps with the exception of small children, everyone has sinned and screwed up. No one ever gets more than they "deserve." <span id='postcolor'>

A just-born baby absolutely has not sinned yet. Still some of them die. And the bible is filled with examples of people getting more than they deserve (like Job and the pharaoh and people of Egypt).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Theologically this issue is very well studied, and although it is hard to understand on an emotional level (who doesn't think "Why me?" when something bad happens) it isn't a problem for the existence of God.<span id='postcolor'>

It is well studied by priests and not a single one of them has come up with even a nearly intelligent answer. The truth is that christianity is ridiculously filled with loopholes.

Anyway, if it makes you happy to believe, go ahead. You should remember that wisdom spawns pain.

[Krusty 0]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why not? He would still be the supreme most powerful being in the universe, no?

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The most powerful being in the universe isn't what we need in a "God." A very powerful being would just be like Q in Star Trek, not our creator with a say in how we live our lives and how we spend eternity. It would not be a source of ethics or be outside our physical existence. It would just be another physical being like us. Who needs a God like that?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let's see, what exactly do you know about "God" that isn't conjecture, fantasy, wishful thinking??

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I know he sent his Son to earth to die for our sins and save us from ourselves. This is a historical fact. An analysis of the historical facts, documents and archeology proves this much more firmly than almost anything else the same period of history. (The life of Julius Caesar for example)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There's nothing logic about it, there's only instant superficial security since you can explain everything you don't understand as being "the will of God" or "God works in mysterious ways".

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I don't recall ever saying this...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's ok if you call the Big Bang illogical, just don't the concept of "God" logical.

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I didn't say the big band is illogical, just that it is illogical to say everything exploded from nothing for no reason at all.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> say the universe is an infinitely more fantastic place, without the idea of a god.

It makes everything so much more precious...<span id='postcolor'>

I'd see it as just the opposite. If there is no God, all of life is meaningless. There is no thing as right or wrong, there is no goal in life except to be as happy as possible, as much as possible. In the end you're just going to die so what does it matter anyway?

[Oligo 1]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd see it as just the opposite. If there is no God, all of life is meaningless. There is no thing as right or wrong, there is no goal in life except to be as happy as possible, as much as possible. In the end you're just going to die so what does it matter anyway?<span id='postcolor'>

Bingo! This is the reason people believe in God. It is just such a great shock for them to think that nothing matters anyway. So they build this nice impregnable castle of faith to live in. I say let them live in their castles as long as they don't try to affect the lives of other people with their crap.

[Krusty 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Oligo @ Jan. 22 2002,09:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If we assume that God created us, naturally it is responsible for us and for what we do. "Free will" is just an illusion, since God created each of us to be like we are. Thus it is God who should be judged for our sins, not us who are just made to be what we are. You have to remember that an omnipotent God does not make mistakes and controls EVERYTHING (hence omnipotent), so it must have intentionally made us so that we would sin.

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The idea is that in creating being with free will God gave up a little bit of His control of everything and gave us the power to control ourselves. He intentionally made us so we could sin.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any talks about "a great plan" (which would explain why God doesn't save everybody all the time) are just bogus, since if that plan involved some babies dying in horrible pain, God would be evil. A good and omnipotent God could make plans that didn't include babies dying in horrible pain, since EVERYTHING is possible for it. Thus when making plans, God doesn’t care what happens to us.

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God certainly doesn't have any plans involving death, destruction and pain. Because we have free will, many things happen that God wishes didn't happen (this is the definition of sin).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For helping victims of natural disasters (caused by God not giving a damn that people die needlessly) we don't need God. We just need to work together. Eve ate the fruit, because God made her so that she would. It was Gods sin.

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This is just my point. We can reduce pain and suffering, but we don't. This is our fault, not God's. Eve (and Adam too for that matter) ate the fruit because she chose to (see above).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A just-born baby absolutely has not sinned yet. Still some of them die. And the bible is filled with examples of people getting more than they deserve (like Job and the pharaoh and people of Egypt).

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Job had sinned in his life so a perfect; righteous God could have rightly killed him for it (rebellion against God surely deserves death, in fact that is why Jesus die for us). God was very merciful with the Egyptians. He gave Pharaoh chance after chance to do the right thing. Pharaoh basically told God F-you 9 times before he really got it. (And even then he didn't get it.)

[brgnorway 0]

There are no good reasons to argue that God exist because it cannot be proven. There are however, plenty of reasons not to. In the end it is easy to say he doesn't.

Does God exsist?

No. Have a nice day!

[Dr Bibber 0]

Religion is a waste of time

[MrLaggy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The most powerful being in the universe isn't what we need in a "God." A very powerful being would just be like Q in Star Trek, not our creator with a say in how we live our lives and how we spend eternity.<span id='postcolor'>

Odd, isn't it, that the original Hebrew version of Genesis refers to "God" in the plural?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know he sent his Son to earth to die for our sins and save us from ourselves. This is a historical fact.<span id='postcolor'>

And your historical evidence that "God" sent his Son to earth to die for our sins and save us from ourselves would be, exactly? There's little enough evidence that Yeshua even existed (most of the official records which would have proven his existence vanished, probably into the Knights Templar, and haven't been seen for centuries), let alone any more specific claim such as that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I didn't say the big band is illogical, just that it is illogical to say everything exploded from nothing for no reason at all.<span id='postcolor'>

Why? We know from quantum mechanics that things do routinely appear and disappear for no reason. Why should the universe be any different?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd see it as just the opposite. If there is no God, all of life is meaningless. <span id='postcolor'>

Yes. Why is that a problem for you?

[Oligo 1]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God was very merciful with the Egyptians. He gave Pharaoh chance after chance to do the right thing. Pharaoh basically told God F-you 9 times before he really got it. (And even then he didn't get it.)<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah. After many of those "miracles" God performed to convince the pharaoh, he actually went to the israelis and told them that they are free to leave. Then it says in the bible: "God hardened the heart of the pharaoh." So the pharaoh decided to not to let the israelis go after all. God performed crap to convince the pharaoh, but also prevented the pharaoh from taking the hint. God is a nutcase.

The rest you said, well, more doctrine. Believe what you want.

You seem to need an authoritative figure to command you so that you would feel good about your life. It is sad you think that rebellion against God so crazy is bad. Well, not all people need leaders to push them around, not all people are lambs.

I don't need any favours or crap from God. If it wants to take away the life it supposedly gave me, go ahead. I didn't ask to be born, so I owe God nothing.

[MrLaggy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Oligo @ Jan. 22 2002,16:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God performed crap to convince the pharaoh, but also prevented the pharaoh from taking the hint. God is a nutcase.<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed: if the pop-Christian "God" exists, he's a crazed psychopath and a lousy engineer (just look at the human eye, for example) and I, for one, wouldn't want anything to do with him.

However, this would make much more sense if you imagine that when the original Hebrew refers to "the Gods" it meant "the Gods" and was badly edited later. In that case this could mean that one god did these things to convince the Pharoah to let them go, but then opposing gods tried to stop them. It's only the switch to monotheism that made it a problem.

[Oligo 1]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, this would make much more sense if you imagine that when the original Hebrew refers to "the Gods" it meant "the Gods" and was badly edited later. In that case this could mean that one god did these things to convince the Pharoah to let them go, but then opposing gods tried to stop them. It's only the switch to monotheism that made it a problem.<span id='postcolor'>

For this reason polytheistic religions make much more sense. If there are a lot of (demipotent?) gods fighting each other it would nicely explain why the world is like it is. The absence of any gods also of course explains the world. So if one needs to have a religion, I think it is best to pick a polytheistic one.

[Oligo 1]

"So they took soot from a kiln, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses threw it toward the sky, and it became boils breaking out with sores on man and beast.

The magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils, for the boils were on the magicians as well as on all the Egyptians.

And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses."

There you go. One of the passages from Exodus 9 demonstrating the psycho nature of the christian god. Man what a bully.

[Damage Inc 0]

Cool they're changing the look of the forums.

[nordin dk 0]

What's real funny is, if I claim to be the son of God reborn, there's is nothing the christians could do to proove me wrong, for in every religion there is a demand for belief without proof, and I, being the son of God, do not perform miracles for show. You just need to believe me, and eveything will get better.

If you do not believe that I am the reborn Christ, then you have no faith.

(Soryy to taunt, but I can't resist it)

To say that there is proof that Jesus was the Son of God is so farfetched that my mind can't begin to comprehend it.

I say we put the forensics on the case...now all we need is some DNA from Jesus, and some DNA from God...no sweat.

[Antichrist 0]

God (or the creator) probably did exist but he was killed during the War in Heaven by the Lucifer

and now people and the universe are left to themselves

[SpaceAlex 0]

Everything is possible people. GOD does exist. But this so called GOD is not a man sitting somehwere in the space. God is something in our hearts.

You can't see him, you can't hear him, nothing. God is everything u wanna see. It's not so hard to understand. You just need a few hours of meditation and you'll know everything. Hell doesn't really exist. Devil exist only in our hearts and brains. One person have a good spirit yet another person have a devil spirit.

We have souls. We never die, just our body dies. But not our soul. There are lots of teories about souls but we don't know which one is correct. We can start a new life on some other planet or i dunno. We'll know that better in 4th dimension. Our souls will have ability to travel all around the space and we won't die.

It may sound stupid for you people but it doesn't sund stupid for me. You'll see. Sooner or later you will think the same thoughts as me. And you can resist at any kinds of cursing and other stuffs.