Flight 93

[Akira 0]

Haven't been around for awhile. Busy dispatching and keeping the US transportation system running.

In any case I ran across this on Quicktime and the trailers section. It's called "Flight 93" and its about the hijacked plane on 9/11 that crashed in Penn. We all know it..the stories of brave heroism by passengers to retake the plane from their hijackers...or not depending on the news reports.

In any case while I watched the trailer I was somewhat stunned...but not for the emotional impact, but rather how quickly (and 4 years is a bit fast) that Hollywood came about to make this movie. If its done documentary style then fine...but dramatically...kinda a tacky yes? It's billed as a "real-time" movie of the events on Flight 93.

Artistic comments aside (I liked the style of the trailer), what the hell do you think about this???

[cozza 24]

Why does hollywood need to make movies about 9/11. All this US shit going about today is really starting to piss me off.

I watch a good movie and its loaded with US shit, like showing the US flag in the background of every fucking scene.

I think this is one movie I not gonna go see, It'll be loaded with US patriotism crap.

I hope people see what i'm saying,

[Akira 0]

I know exactly what you are saying and I agree. I guess thats one of the reasons I wanted to see "Syriana". I'm getting kind of sick of the "rah-rah-USA" attitude in a lot of the movies and TV shows. Thats why I watched this trailer with somewhat of a horrified embaressed look on my face. I was embaressed that a movie was made to capitialize on this event so quickly.

[Jinef 2]

Akira, many more people should have your viewpoints.

I agree, put it in the history books as a tragedy, educate people as to why it happened and look to the future.

Instead they are putting it in the history books as a political ace card, brainwashing people into thinking that terrorists are simply 'evil' and making blockbusters to pull on emotional strings and make some profit.

I don't really bother watching movies unless to spend social time with friends. Very rarely am I actually suprised or interested by a mainstream film.

[DrBobcat 0]

Akira, many more people should have your viewpoints.

I agree, put it in the history books as a tragedy, educate people as to why it happened and look to the future.

Instead they are putting it in the history books as a political ace card, brainwashing people into thinking that terrorists are simply 'evil' and making blockbusters to pull on emotional strings and make some profit.

I don't really bother watching movies unless to spend social time with friends. Very rarely am I actually suprised or interested by a mainstream film.

I agree.... while the whole entire experience of 9/11 was saddening, making a movie about it is just a _very_ bad idea. seems like a lazy way to pull some bucks by trying to stir the emotions of the American people. Propoganda, plain and simple.

And yes, not all terrorists are evil (violent even). Then again, we should, of course, remember the 2000+ people who died that day.... But damn!, remembering them in this light is more of a disgrace than an acknowledgement.  I do love my country but the United States should, under NO circumstances, tell me what to believe. It should just STFU and get work done, instead of trying to twist and manipulate its people.

Grr....,

Caz

EDIT: Grammatical errors

[Heatseeker 0]

How sad imo, i think the 9/11 event will end up being exploited untill people grow bored with it, sort of like the black hawk down efect. In the end we could tell the same about every WW2 or vietnam movie for that matter but i guess best selling catastrophies arent happening has frequently has hollywood likes them... maybe someone is already writing the script for the next huge hit, hurricane Katrina? Government promotes patriotism and hollywood makes $$$. Throw a donation to the victim's relatives and there it goes, sickening imo.

[ran 0]

I see it as some kind of natural evolution ... you could draw certain parallels between let's say Hugo's or Zola's depictions of historical bloodbaths in their novels and this. The first talked about the fall of an empire, bloody revolutions, the second about strikes that went nasty and that not long after the facts. Litterature and Arts in general offer quite a lot of similar occurances. Accounts of the Grande armée retreat from Russia were published shortly after the events took place, fictionnal works were written about the Terreur of the 1790's the following decades etc etc etc ...

(just talking about what I know ... err, remember of)

The problems start when money gets involved.

It's just that now, this phenomenon seems driven by profit instead of art and deep socio-political or even philosophical statements and thesis.

Our train of thoughts, our reflexion as the medias and communications get faster and faster can't follow. This creates a frightening gap in the collective mind that greedy people throw themselves in. They saw that by giving Joe Sixpack what he wants: simple preformated prepackaged thoughts and ideas (that can be consumed just like the pizza you ordered or the TV shows spewn by the TV), they can earn big bucks and go on their sociopathic ways to make even more money.

As times go by, the human being seems to enjoy ever sharper contrasts. Joe wants a well defined black and white world around him so he doesn't have to go through the time consuming process of looking for his own reference marks.

Shades of grey became less and less popular ever since color TV was invented (a bit before though, your world, if you were lower class was mostly brown in color ) ... hehe

We don't have any time to ponder on what's happening around us anymore because it's all getting a bit too fast and the majority of us just don't make the effort to slow things down and prefer to go the easy way: go for the mainstream crap without any second thought. It's just that it's quite conforting not to have to think much for yourself and just focus on your own little world. You have to pay your taxes monthly, your fuel weekly, take your kids to school daily and earn a good living so you can buy them their mobile phone and pay for the broadband connection and the cable TV. So why give a toss about the rest ? Just weep when everybody is weeping, yell when everybody is yelling, moan when everybody is moaning, jump when everybody is jumping and hide when everybody is hiding. Makes your and the moneymakers' life a lot easier.

/nonsense rambling

[Balschoiw 0]

What I especially dislike is that there seems to be an official military advisor at almost any location where those movies are done. The influence they have is so big that the movies become very absurd sometimes. It´s like rewriting history, the Hollywood way. The saddest part is that a lot of people buy those "reworked" versions and actually believe they´re true. Blackhawk down was a really good example.

It´s been a while since anything from Hollywood related to "authentic" events made me go to the cinema. I guess the last movie I have watched was Pearl Harbor. Thank god I was drunk.

[Messiah 2]

to be honest, i'm not that suprised hollywood would feel the need to make this movie... after 9/11 it did cross my mind more than once, how long it would be till a movie/movie docu would be released on the events of that day...

9/11 is of course a very sensitive subject, I guess it always will be - but terrorist atrocities havent exactly stopped a certain american film director from making a film about it (granted more of a sequel to the actual events)

(For those who havnt realised yet, I'm talking about Munich and Israels' olympic squad who were murdered by palestinian terrorists)

as per usual, i can see it being a case of a minority pro american people (those who truely feel that the world revolves around america) completely ousting the film because it hits too close to home. If an american movie director decides to film another one of the most tragic and awful events in our recent history, then i'm pretty sure they're very supportive... NIMBY would be a apt expression in this case

(Not In My Backyard - An expression given to those persons who for one moment will support something, but then suddenly change their feelings once it affects them directly, often seen in the UK with asylum centers, where people who supported their creation, suddenly didnt once they were built next door to their homes)

I'm waiting on the day hollywood creates a movie about 7/7 in London - odds are that it wont take them as long as it has to create the 9/11 one, why i feel this, i'll keep to myself

@Balschoiw

Very true, i really do hate these 'based on a true story' which generally means the events and the location are vaguely similiar, but what actually happened was a little too dull to make into a movie.

Either do it right, or dont bother at all... on a related note, much as i can see it being rather poor as a movie, Jarhead looks quite interesting.

[4 IN 1 0]

well thank you very freakin much movie makers, those ppl who gave their lifes have become a clown on big screen because of you

[DBR_ONIX 0]

I don't care that the film's made about 9/11, why should it be any more frowned upon than films based on WW2? Both had many people killed, it's just time.. But if who ever is making it gets anything wrong, or just plain screws it up, that is a very very bad idea.. If they make it anything like the generic Holywood movie, uhoh..

I'd be a little more informed if that fecking trailer would load, but my PC is playing up at the moment.. But aslong as they don't over-dramatise it, and change large details, don't portray terrorists.. erm.. "Americanly".. Basicly just keep it moderatly realistic, I don't see why it should be terrible..

I'm looking at this from a film-makers view, not an emotinal view.. I wasn't personly affected by the events on 9/11, since I don't live in the US, and don't have friends/family etc, but I understand it must.. well, I don't understand what it must be like to be affected by it.. But from a film-view, would it be so terrible to make a film about it, say, in 60 or 70 years? The events still happened, but just because "it's in the past" it's fine

But meh, having nto seen the trailer, all this judgement is blind (And quite possibly doesn't read as I intended it to )

Finaly, something as big as this deserves to be documented, the more the better, sure films have a reputation to screw with history, but maybe since it's so recent, and that people will be more offended if they change important events etc, hopefully the film will be accurate

Anyway, lets not jump to conclusions, and wait till the film is relased to slate it

- Ben

[wildo 0]

Will it be a re-run of pearle harbour (TRYING to show the americans shot down more planes than they actually did, and putting in a shitty love triangle )

smells of "lets make money off of thousands of peoples tragedies and glamourise it all and say they died heroically when we dont know 100% of the story (Not saying that people didnt die doing something good, its just that we dont actually know what went on second by second)

Wildo

[GoOB 0]

I dare say that the title of the film will be similar to the quality of the script... Which translates to: not very good. I mean... "Flight 93", I guess the creative department took an extended holiday.

[Airbourne Alchaholic 0]

I guess it's an ok memorial to those on that plane... but a great paycheque for the Film Makers.

I grew sick and tired of Hollywood a while back, I prefer watching the Eastern film festivals. Subtitles FTW!!

[ozanzac 0]

I've seen either a trailer to this movie at the cinemas, or saw a very crappy documentary pseudo movie on a pay TV channel, and turning such an event into a mainstream movie, is extremely disturbing, to say the least.

Damn it. Enough of the patriotic flag waving factor in entertainment, already! If it has to be patriotic, it’s got to be comical, in a ‘Team America’ type sense. (Doubtful that anything remotely humorous could be incorporated into the Flight 93 story, but that’s what irks me; it’s a story far too serious to be touted as entertainment.)

It's like the people who create these movies are either missing a conscience, take themselves and their nation far too seriously, or see the events as a propaganda bonanza. Or, a combination of all three!

[DBR_ONIX 0]

It's like the people who create these movies are either missing a conscience, take themselves and their nation far too seriously, or see the events as a propaganda bonanza. Or, a combination of all three!

Acctualy it's more like the film makers have too much conscience, and screw up films in an effort to please everyone, this combined with having to make money (To "be sucessfull"). You need the audince to make money, so it's one or the other.. You make it more pelasing to the audince, and they give pay and see it, or you make it like it should be made, piss of millions and lose about the same..

Though films that are realstic can be done well, and still make money, thier kinda rare..

Deep Water was realstic, but 90% of what I've read/peple I've talked to found the film "okay", or "dull", but this is a bad example, as it was a really low budget film.. Acctualy it's a good example, a low budget film, realstic, but still did well (Got into cinemas, from a film festival, which is impressive)

Anyway, I'll try and watch that trailer now..

- Ben