Do You want PunkBuster in Armed Assault?

[DBR_ONIX 0]

Why bother hacking PB, when you can just hack another game with less protection?

Simple. Because it's a challange

- Ben

[Dwarden 1125]

Why bother hacking PB, when you can just hack another game with less protection?

Simple. Because it's a challange

- Ben

Yah and as reward they receive nice HW ban thru all PB supported games ) must be definitely encouraging

[4 IN 1 0]

Why bother hacking PB, when you can just hack another game with less protection?

Simple. Because it's a challange

- Ben

Yah and as reward they receive nice HW ban thru all PB supported games ) must be definitely encouraging

real-deal hackers thinks that differently most of the time

the more challange and more chance the get caught, the more encourage they get, not to be notice, not to be found, hacking PB is surely not a thing a real-deal hackers would do as they seek for a much more challanging thing to do, but also sure as hell lots of heckers would like to crack PB b4 becoming a real-deal one

(yeah maybe you get HW ban but who cares? you have already cracked it b4 it get you, and for those sorry a$$ who just use their works....well they are "sorry a$$" as i called)

p.s.no i am not a hacker but its just kind of easy in fact to understand how they think

[Dwarden 1125]

Why bother hacking PB, when you can just hack another game with less protection?

Simple. Because it's a challange

- Ben

Yah and as reward they receive nice HW ban thru all PB supported games ) must be definitely encouraging

real-deal hackers thinks that differently most of the time

the more challange and more chance the get caught, the more encourage they get, not to be notice, not to be found, hacking PB is surely not a thing a real-deal hackers would do as they seek for a much more challanging thing to do, but also sure as hell lots of heckers would like to crack PB b4 becoming a real-deal one

(yeah maybe you get HW ban but who cares? you have already cracked it b4 it get you, and for those sorry a$$ who just use their works....well they are "sorry a$$" as i called)

p.s.no i am not a hacker but its just kind of easy in fact to understand how they think

still that does mean they need use new CD keys => more cash for publisher / developers at least ...

as the old ones are banned

[privatenoob 0]

Americas Army is riddled with cheating bastards, IMO its possibly the most frustrating game ever made

Well consider AA to be a free game, its no wonder there are alot of cheaters there. They only have to download it. Second, its a fast action game that attracts this kinds of FPS cheat-players. Third; I think there are hackers/cheaters that just wanna mess with the game because its made by the US army. This is just what I think, I have no proof! But Im not sure PB would be a good or a bad thing for Aras. Some kind of anti-cheat it gotta have anyway, Im sure BIS have thought of this already.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I also hope that you have to register your cd-key to play online

[DBR_ONIX 0]

I also hope that you have to register your cd-key to play online

Nhoo!

HL2 had this, and the ammount of people that complained about it... Bad idea..

If you start totaly locking down the game, more and more people will try and hack it..

As for people saying about hardware ID bans, again, these have been defeated, and are easily obtainable if you look about..

Incorprate a retenia block in the game, people'll get their eyes changed....

I think the best way to get fewer cheaters is not hype the games.. Acctualy, the best way is not to release it, but don't do that

Anyway, 100 vs 55 in favour of no PB.. I think it's kinda conclusive?

- Ben

[StealthTiger 0]

Anyway, 100 vs 55 in favour of no PB.. I think it's kinda conclusive?

- Ben

In as far as those that voted.. I'm sure there are more members than have voted.

A quick search indicates that there are around 32,500 past and present members registered on the Bis forum

[DBR_ONIX 0]

Yeh, but many of them will be inactive, and several thousand have never posted etc

But the general impression from everyone I've talked to/read something writen by etc someone who's "been involved" with PB, hasn't liked it.. Mainly cause if people don't mind it, they dont speak about it.. But theres an awful lot of people that have minded it

- Ben

[Stealth3 0]

It will interfer with mods.

[Dwarden 1125]

It will interfer with mods.

... explain ... enlight us ... how )

[Stealth3 0]

Well It does interfer with a lod of mods in COD, and it happened with BF too.

Although it will have its good sides too since obviously there will be cheaters in ArmA or OFP2. There are little in OFP because its not a JIP game. There is always an admin to get rid of cheaters. But it will be different with ArmA.

Since OFP addon folder is often a melting pot of addons, all mixed up, Im not sure how Punkbuster will handle it. And we don't know if it won't be the same for ArmA. Plus if cheaters are really a huge problem, BIS can always implement Punkbuster with a patch.

[Moving Target 0]

if PB is incorporated 90% of servers wont use it i bet. It has too bad a reputation.

Nothing better than the good old #kick/#ban

[Dwarden 1125]

if PB is incorporated 90% of servers wont use it i bet.  It has too bad a reputation.

Nothing better than the good old #kick/#ban

well ... i doubt about this ... any solid server hosting company knows (or should ) how use PB ...

and PB will allow any mod to run if it's "configurable" for file hashes ...

of course D3D hooks or tricks like actual OFPR dx dll will fail ...

but hey it's so easy disable PB

[Zombie_Mod 0]

Well It does interfer with a lod of mods in COD, and it happened with BF too.

Although it will have its good sides too since obviously there will be cheaters in ArmA or OFP2. There are little in OFP because its not a JIP game. There is always an admin to get rid of cheaters. But it will be different with ArmA.

Since OFP addon folder is often a melting pot of addons, all mixed up, Im not sure how Punkbuster will handle it. And we don't know if it won't be the same for ArmA. Plus if cheaters are really a huge problem, BIS can always implement Punkbuster with a patch.

Now that is the funniest comment I've heard in a while.

Very little cheaters in OFP???

You should try the All-seeing-eye servers mate, there's 100s of cheaters there.

Older players like myself, who appreciate a good game of Hexenkessel CTF or TNT St Pierre CTF and are prepared to wait for the player lobby to fill, can't enjoy the game as some 13 year old takes umbrage by being shot too much and then deploys a cheat.

End result: random suspects get kicked off, maybe banned from servers for no reason (ie: me)

Anything that helps gets rid of the cheating arseholes is worth it in my opinion.

Not all of us want to join a clan you know, on our own wee private server...

[-Bilko- 0]

Aye, PunkBuster would probably be a good idea, but that program spoiled BattleField 2 for me, at the start of every round I got intense lag for around 5 mins while PB scanned my HDD.

I think they should just make the core files uneditable, so that only mods can be used to cheat, that would make them easier to detect, maybe the game could scan each mod you install to ensure there's no malicious code?

[gandalf the white 0]

maybe the game could scan each mod you install to ensure there's no malicious code?

Machines cannot think creatively like the modmakers can... the way Liberation 1945 mod did their configs... I dont think it would pass trough Punkbuster's defences.

However, the current problem with tanks ( T34 beating the crap out of a M1) might be solved that way though... "equal values, or no values at all"

[DBR_ONIX 0]

I think they should just make the core files uneditable, so that only mods can be used to cheat, that would make them easier to detect, maybe the game could scan each mod you install to ensure there's no malicious code?

Thats very hard to do, and would need constant updating/research.. Just like virus scanners... I don't think so

If that happened, you'd get more cheats, as people would need to make new ones to get around the anti-cheat scanner thing..

Besides, it's more touble than it's worth..

Checking the hash of the files being used, and comparing them to the server (By being used, I mean ANY pbo that is being used, or any script etc). Surely that would stop any cheating, short of DX hooks etc.. As the PBO with cheat scripts would be compared to the servers version, which isn't there..

Because it's being used (not just it's there. If that were to happen, you'd get missing file on server messages for all addons/mods.. yuk), it must be something bad (I can't think of a reason a client would use a PBO that the server doesn't.. Only if it's running a script from it.. hmm)

Probobaly an awfull idea, inwhich case, the above text you just read, does not exists, and you never read it..

- Ben

[Azzurith 0]

I have been kicked from lots of games for no reason. Most to do by the game itself. The only way to stop cheating is to play on a Lan with people that you know won't cheat. Any other way is like visiting Vagus. Take your chances!

[Acecombat 0]

Quake 4 to use Punkbuster

One more to PB's list.

Last night i was playing AA on an OFFICIAL server when someone who was cheating quiet blatantly sniping 2-3 people at once in different places , HACKED the server somehow when people decided to vote kick him out he hanged the whole server and everyone had to disconnect as the game was totally stuck. I hate this kind of losers.

And the official army server was running PB updated .

[blackjack-VS- 0]

i dont play other games then ofp lately (last 3years... ), so i'm really out of loop with anticheats measures. from all the opinions here i could state that PB is not very efficient, and the worst part is the fact of causing errors/kicks when ur loading other addons/packs.

when i look to ofp and remember the endless,but gladly "peacfull", error messages caused by diferent addons use by diferent players in the same server, i just cant acept new extra problems to solve caused by a anticheat aplication.. big fat NO to that! i dont wana be kicked just cause i'm using addon xpto...

like someone said , the old kick/ban classic will probably do the job well... (it did for ofp didnt it? )

i play coop on a private server, so i'm glad that i dont have to deal with cheating faguets... sometimes we open the server to gamespy and at the 3rd day we cant just have more patient to the dam kids that tk and then quit... id ban solved our problem. at least they need a new ofp copy to play there.

thr last time we opened the server, we add 2 new decent players to the guest list, so it wasnt bad at all...

i would sugest bis to follow ofp tactic...something like:

1-release the 2nd best game from all times soon (1st ofp )

2- release a 1st version full of glitches and errors

3-patch it 3 months later and solve 50% of problems

4-release final patch that fixes the game "enough"

this way ,maybe 50% of the cheating FPS players will let us alone, and the other 50% would be fairly treated by "us". the true bis target players. the players that get worried to improve and not destroy a game.

sory if went out of topic a bit...but this (nice) thread made me lost focus on the new game major concerns, like game engine, scripting, addon making, sound, fun!

i really just hope that we dont get invaded by those cheaters... but its better to get rdy, and ask bis to protect us the best way they can.

and off course, after kegetys "no" , my poll lost the "yes" button. looks like my mozilla recognized his signature and went nuts!! ) j/k

[EvEnLeaSe44 0]

punkbuster means no addons and mods correct?

[Murmur2k 0]

Punkbuster slows everything down if you ask me. I think the OFP community is a bit more mature than most others and most MP games are in a controlled environment such as with a Clan on a private server. If they implement punkbuster then make it optional to use so that environments where trust is exercised punkbuster can't spoil things.

[Dwarden 1125]

punkbuster means no addons and mods correct?

wrong ... You can have addons and mods ... ie see other dozen games using PB for years ...

[SpecOp9 0]

If it works, then I say sure. But that doesnt mean AA should'nt have it's own anti cheat system.