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WHEN is the world gonna come to our aid? Where is the hearts crying for us?

 

Canada has assured the American government and its people we are here to help, mentioned in an address by the Canadian Prime Minister. Vancouver Urban Disaster Relief are prepared to leave, waiting for the call. DART is ready to help. Hydro workers are getting ready to help. Canadian Red Cross are getting ready to leave. Even 500 Canadian Mennonites are probobly going to be sent down to the United States.

The Queen has given her condolences. The French PM has given his condolences. The people are giving their condolences. The Canadian Prime Minister has given his

What these teams, ready to come down and aid you, are waiting for is someone on the other side of the border is to pick up the bloody phone.

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Quote[/b] ]It's even worse when the Louisiana governor announces an all-state hour of prayer (like she did yesterday). Time is running out for the people trapped in NOLA and she wants to waste valuable time on that kind of bullshit. I wonder how many poor bastards will die during that hour. Prayer indeed.

Thank you for setting up the nail in coffin for this thread, Denior.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Calling for a hour of prayer is bullshit to you? Good for you! Praying gives hope to many people in these kinds of situations. You might want to take off your cynical bastard glasses this time, Denior. Anyway, the hour of prayer is more directed to the citizens and not the rescuers.

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I gather that Denoir is saying is that declaring an hour of Prayer, is nothing short of pointless.

And I concur.

It does nothing in the way of returning services, and life back to normal. If the people want hope, then maybe footage of the Governor getting down and dirty, trying to restore civility, or doing something constructive, would probably make a hell of alot more difference than such nonsense as to declaring prayer for an hour.

If a mention of religion had to come into it from a state level, a simple 'Prayer for us and the people of Louisiana' at the end of the speech would have sufficed.

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that's it! I've had enough of going OT. This thread is locked for 24 hours. mad_o.gif

And next time it is back open, better keep useless discussion off and whining and sarcasm off since it is not helping a thing in terms of discussion. banghead.gif

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Might as well start off fresh:

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/02/katrina.impact/index.html

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Officials at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, saying the facility has reached capacity, have stopped accepting refugees from flooded New Orleans.

Exhausted evacuees who had traveled more than 300 miles on buses to be housed at the Astrodome were turned away late Thursday and diverted elsewhere.

The city of San Antonio, about 200 miles from Houston, has agreed to take in refugees.

A police spokesman told CNN that the fire marshal informed Houston authorities late Thursday that the Astrodome had reached capacity and, for safety reasons, must stop accepting further refugees.

In New Orleans, meanwhile, violence disrupted relief efforts as authorities rescued desperate residents still trapped in the flooded city and tried to evacuate thousands of others living among corpses and human waste.

Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown said his agency was attempting to work "under conditions of urban warfare."

Police snipers were stationed on the roof of their precinct, trying to protect it from armed miscreants roaming seemingly at will.

Officers warned a CNN crew to stay off the streets because of escalating danger, and cautioned others about attempted shootings and rapes by groups of young men.

"This is a desperate SOS," New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said in a statement Thursday afternoon, with thousands of people stranded at the city's convention center with no food, water or electricity -- and fading hope. (See video on the desperate conditions -- 4:36 )

Residents expressed growing frustration with the disorder evident on the streets, raising questions about the coordination and timeliness of relief efforts.

"Why is no one in charge?" asked one frustrated evacuee at the convention center. "I find it hard to believe."

Government officials insisted they were putting forth their best efforts and pleaded for patience, saying further help was on the way.

One displaced resident at the Louisiana Superdome issued a warning to authorities who may be headed to the stadium, where up to 30,000 people sought refuge after Monday's Hurricane Katrina and now await evacuation to Texas by bus.

"Please don't send the National Guard," Raymond Cooper told CNN by telephone. "Send someone with a bullhorn outside the place that can talk to these people first."

He described scenes of lawlessness and desperation, with people simply dragging corpses into corners.

"They have quite a few people running around here with guns," he said. "You got these young teenage boys running around up here raping these girls."

Elsewhere, groups of armed men wandered the streets, buildings smoldered and people picked through stores for what they could find.

Charity Hospital, one of several facilities attempting to evacuate patients, was forced to halt the effort after coming under sniper fire. (Full story)

Recovery efforts also continued Thursday in Mississippi, where Katrina smashed entire neighborhoods and killed at least 185 people.

"We got hit by the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States," Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour told CNN Thursday.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005....ex.html

Sniper fire halts hospital evacuation

Gunmen fire at medical workers and patients at Charity Hospital

A physician at the hospital said that despite the incidents staff members and patients were eager to get out after three days with no water and electricity and sparse food rations.

"A single sniper or two snipers shouldn't have to shut down a hospital evacuation for two hours now," Dr. Ruth Berggren told CNN. "I look outside, I'm not seeing any military." (See a video report on the sniper's attack -- 1:06 )

Berggren's husband, Dr. Tyler Curiel, witnessed both incidents.

"We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The National Guard [troops], wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on this guy. "

The first incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET) as Curiel and his National Guard escorts headed back to the hospital after dropping off several patients at nearby Tulane Medical Center to be evacuated by helicopter.

Charity shares a helipad with Tulane Medical Center, which is across the street.

They were traveling in a convoy of amphibious vehicles, and Curiel said the vehicle behind him was targeted.

About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of Charity Hospital.

"We got back to Charity Hospital with with food from Tulane and we said, 'OK the snipers are behind us, let's move on,' " Curiel said. "We started loading patients [for transport] and 20 minutes later, shots rang out."

The National Guard soldiers told staff to get away from the windows, and evacuations were halted.

Berggren, an infectious disease specialist at Charity Hospital, said that since then she had heard nothing about resuming evacuations.

She said about 200 patients still need to be evacuated. All of the patients in intensive care have been evacuated.

Charity Hospital has no electricity and no water, and the only food available is a couple of cans of vegetables and graham crackers.

Evacuations by boat were halted after armed looters threatened medics and overturned one of their boats.

Widespread looting and random gunfire have been reported across New Orleans. Police told CNN that groups of armed men roamed the streets overnight. (Full story)

Officers told CNN they lacked manpower and steady communications to properly do their jobs -- and that they needed help to prevent the widespread looting and violence now prevalent in the city.

Seriously people; WTF? What kind of shit for brains person shoots at a hospital?! mad_o.gif

New Orleans is really going to hell.  crazy_o.gif

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Couple of years back people were horrified about chaos in Baghdad after occupation with looters taking baby incubators from hospitals etc. Now same level of chaos has hit New Orleans. People are beasts if situation arises after law and order crumble. Having lots of guns around probably doesnt help the situation...

BBC:

Quote[/b] ]Some 300 "battle-tested" National Guardsmen have arrived in New Orleans from Iraq with orders to restore civic order and using a shoot-to-kill policy.

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Quote[/b] ]Some 300 "battle-tested" National Guardsmen have arrived in New Orleans from Iraq with orders to restore civic order and using a shoot-to-kill policy.

Oh great, more killing and even there own citizens. crazy_o.gifconfused_o.gif

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Quote[/b] ]Some 300 "battle-tested" National Guardsmen have arrived in New Orleans from Iraq with orders to restore civic order and using a shoot-to-kill policy.

Oh great, more killing and even there own citizens. crazy_o.gif  confused_o.gif

the us are really handling this wrong...

Maybe time to change the us weapon policy?

Anyway, I feal really sorry for the victims this has caused... I cant believe why the state havent evacuated those who were unable to do it by themself, its allmost like the us doesnt care about the poor in its own country. This saddens me alot.

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Tens of thousands of people were ordered to gather at New Orleans Convention Center and Superdome. Now they've stayed there for days without food or medical care with seemingly empty promises of evacuations by bus. Sewage and corpses litter the places. Nobody's at charge at the spot. Unbelieveable.

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CNN reported that money originally earmarked for upgrading New Orleans' flood defences was diverted by the Whitehouse to the war in Iraq.  I guess they figured Iraq's WMDs posed a greater threat to the US than a category 5 hurricane.

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I think there are not enough means to help all those people, there are many sick and injured people on the streets in need of urgent assistance, there should be medical teams assisting people out there giving priority to severe wounded and sick, children and old people, i really cant believe im reading reports of violence, shootings and such terrible acts, i was expecting people to help each other in a time like this, looking for survivors, sticking together and helping each other, its really disgusting to read about reports of violence after such a terrible catastrophy that has taken so many lives and caused so much damage already, really makes you think about a possible global catastrophy like a meteorite or something.

I guess any medical teams who try to help people out there will need to be escorted by the military or something.

I havent read about what actions are being taken to provide acomodation, treatment and food to all the refugees, the proportion of this natural disaster is by far greater than i ever expected, feels bad to witness all this and not to be able to do a damn thing, lets hope to hear more encouraging news in the near future sad_o.gif .

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Quote[/b] ]FORMER CLINTON ADVISOR

"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

An aerial view of the New Orleans airport underwater.

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REUTERS

An aerial view of the New Orleans airport underwater.

Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze.

Full story here

Seems society in New Orleans is coming apart at the seams, or well, it allready has. This looks like sierra leone or another african nation with tribal warfare. Apparently there are bands roaming the streets with AK-47's. I've read some first hand reports on the internet from people that wenr back (foolishly) to retrieve possesions, like motorbikes, and ran across a mad max like scenario.

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Some people didn't listen when told to evacuate. Politicians call them the 'reliable electorate'.

I don't know if you've noticed on the pictures we're seeing from New Orleans, nearly all the people are black with the exception of an occasional white senior citizen. Coincidence? Unlikely.

The demographics show that the racial makeup of the city are ~28% white, ~68% blacks. So one would expect that a third of the people stranded to be white.

This is of course can be because of one thing only - economic segregation. Those that could afford got out, those who couldn't stayed. Kind of alarming to see this kind of segregation in this day and age.

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Hi all

Thanks Shinraiden

Makes for a very instructive read.

The stories straight from the horses mouth as it were.

I think the complete colapse of the system around the stadium is worse than third world.

To tell everyone who is not in cars to go there to be picked up by buses and then never have the buses or supplies arrive for three days when they are able to get there is shocking.

The fact that no rotation plan was ready for the emergency staff another shock.

That people are angry and desperate what do you expect when their children are dieing from thirst and now probably disease.

That the support and rescue forces have abondoned them is truly the worst. I am sorry but talk of shots being fired does not cut it. To ask people to move somewhere to be safe then you abandon them is just not acceptable.

The complete loss of control is not acceptable in even third world countries that it has happened in America; sorry beyond my words to describe how I feel.

Sadly Walker

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Some people didn't listen when told to evacuate. Politicians call them the 'reliable electorate'.

I don't know if you've noticed on the pictures we're seeing from New Orleans, nearly all the people are black with the exception of an occasional white senior citizen. Coincidence? Unlikely.

The demographics show that the racial makeup of the city are ~28% white, ~68% blacks. So one would expect that a third of the people stranded to be white.

This is of course can be because of one thing only - economic segregation. Those that could afford got out, those who couldn't stayed. Kind of alarming to see this kind of segregation in this day and age.

Yea, its shocking, This is the opposit of what i see the western world as. Some of the southern parts of the us is just rotten to the bone... im sorry to say that, but its in times like these you see it.

Just look at some of the idiots sniping civilians for the fun of it. There must be something wrong when people turn to that!

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CNN is now reporting Major explosions in the last five minutes in a rail road district of New Orleans. These railroad cars carry a host of hazzardous chemicals. This comes from a reporter stuck on the roof of a police station together with police snipers as their precinct building is under siege occasionally. They have been recieving incoming fire throughout the night and the police snipers have returned fire. This is gone from the aftermath of a hurricane to a partial civil war or something.

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Just look at some of the idiots sniping civilians for the fun of it. There must be something wrong when people turn to that!

Yes, but I think the violence and the excessive looting are more a consequence of the situation. Our civilization is extremely fragile. Leave us without water, electricity, food and authority for a day or two and you always have a complete breakdown of the social structure.

People revert to some form of primal survival instincts or simply go nuts over the lack of accountability. In New Orleans you have gun shops which surely expedite the problem, but I have no doubt that this type of behaviour could be seen anywhere in the world, given the same situation.

In many cases people don't have a choice. You need food. You need water. After a complete break down, all you can do is try to loot the nearest convenience store. And of course, plenty of other people have come to the same conclusion. So it becomes a life or death competition for very few resources. And when those run out (which in an urban context is more or less immediately), people turn on each other. The law of the jungle is really the only thing possible.

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The "people didnt leave even though they were told to"-bullshit seems to be the latest spin put on the inefficiency of the officials. Kind of sad how little time it took before those started to pop up. sad_o.gif

I bet you would not be so keen on leaving if most your property was in non-liquid form standing in the middle of looters. Upper-class people (read: white) on the other hand have stocks, savings and such.

Is it just me or didn't the late 2004 indian ocean tsunami cause this kind of chaos? They were in a much more hopeless situtation yet this didn't happen there apparently.. confused_o.gif

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News from inside the convention center: People are dying, groups with guns are raping and murdering. Disease is rampant. Police doesn't go in to the building because they are outnumbered and out gunned. Food and water has run out days ago. Promised busses are not arriving.

On other news. President Bush has released millions more barrels of oil to oil companies to compensate for their losses because of the storm. Just a matter of getting your priorities straight.

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Just look at some of the idiots sniping civilians for the fun of it. There must be something wrong when people turn to that!

Yes, but I think the violence and the excessive looting are more a consequence of the situation. Our civilization is extremely fragile. Leave us without water, electricity, food and authority for a day or two and you always have a complete breakdown of the social structure.

People revert to some form of primal survival instincts or simply go nuts over the lack of accountability. In New Orleans you have gun shops which surely expedite the problem, but I have no doubt that this type of behaviour could be seen anywhere in the world, given the same situation.

In many cases people don't have a choice. You need food. You need water. After a complete break down, all you can do is try to loot the nearest convenience store. And of course, plenty of other people have come to the same conclusion. So it becomes a life or death competition for very few resources. And when those run out (which in an urban context is more or less immediately), people turn on each other. The law of the jungle is really the only thing possible.

Yea, i can relate to the need for food and water, but killing citizents, robbing televisions, destroying houses... why oh why??

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I definately hope that the authorities finally bring up their asses and do something against all that human catastrophy. It´s incredible what is going on there. People die on the streets because they have no water to drink for 4 days now. I have just seen a report where they questioned an old lady sitting on a bridge next to the body of her deseased husband who died of dehydration. It´s incredible. A policeman came up to her and told her to move the body to the side of the road as he needs to poass with his car. I don´t want to bring up the black/white issue but he was white and didn´t help her pushing the body to the side of the road. Disgusting !

All that scenes we see on TV, all that madness and loss of control reminds me very much of "Dawn of the dead". I don´t know why but the movie came to my mind instantly when seeing those images.

People kill themselves because they are mad of thirst and hunger. This is incredible.

If the whole thing keeps blowing like this and the president only has paroles for the people I guess this could have much more further consequences as we now think. I can imagine that the president could be thrown out of white house for this in the end. If the fire spreads over to other cities with a huge black population percentage or anyone tries to make a connection between black - no aid, he is doomed and there will be little he can do to make people think different.

Very, very disturbing situation there.

Quote[/b] ]Yea, i can relate to the need for food and water, but killing citizents, robbing televisions, destroying houses... why oh why??

People were told by police that it was ok if they looted. Cars, trucks, busses, food, water everything. In fact even the police looted.

And the major has left the town....

Reminds me of a sinking ship and the rats...

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Where is the military in all this? Why are they not in place, imposing martial law? Why are there no air drops of food and water?

Although I recognize that this is a great logistical challenge, so far most efforts have been pathetic. I suppose that all the key organizational figures on the operational level are in Iraq.

Of course, if asked, the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF) could be deployed within 24 hours to help out, but somehow I doubt such a request would come. And I doubt that UN peace keepers would be welcomed as well (probably not a practical solution anyway as it takes a long time to organize something like that).

Either way, a requirement for relief operations is a stable security situation. So the national guard, or the regular military really needs to get in there fast and in full force - amphibious vehicles, attack helicopters, patrol boats - i.e a very strong show of force to scare off the predators.

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The National Guard and elements of the Marine Reserves were in New Orleans as early as yesterday afternoon- some sources say martial law has been imposed on certain segments of the city. One of our squadmember's wives got the call from her Reserve unit, they are being activated and sent to the disaster area to assist in recovery and relief operations.

Also don't know if anyone posted this but it bears repeating:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html....02.html

Quote[/b] ]The Bush administration also said it will accept foreign assistance. At least 24 nations and international organizations, ranging from Israel to Venezuela and the United Nations, have offered medical teams, field hospitals, military aircraft and other help.

Thanks guys smile_o.gif

edit- 5:40 AM CST, CNN is reporting a large explosion in the city's railyard district; picked it up off a transcript of National Guard comm traffic as well

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There is an interview with the mayor of NO now on CNN International. I have never heard a politician speaking so frankly (or cursing as much) as this man. His people are being left to die while politicians pat each other on the back in press converences. I've been seeing the governer of louisiana on CNN thank congres, the president, other governors her dog cat mother and walt disney but not having a clue about what needs to be done. When asked about the progres of getting people out of the area the only thing she can manage is "I'd like to thank the president for acting quickly bla bla bla bla" ... guess who wont be re-elected here?

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