Franze & NodUnit Present...

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So you are saying this is only useable in MP?

If you want to have the AI fly, theres not a whole lot I can do about how the AI flies. Why it does the bobbing motion... I don't have a clue.

The game's A.I. are simply Absent of Intelligence. They snipe and see through vegetation and as a result they gun good in the helicotoper as gunner. But the flight school they went to was the lowest bidder.

[franze 196]

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I dont think its possible to do anything with how the AI fly. They all went to the same flightschool.

Or they just read "Flying Helicopters For Dummies".

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I dont want to be a bitch or anything but the cockpit of the other pack looks much better the instruments and especially the 2 green displays. I must say now when you see the changes this model looks much more like real apache! it looks meaner! Like a big fat flying insect waiting to eat you.

Do you mean MPIV's MFD screens? The MFDs we made were based primarily off of information from Longbow 2, but this does make them probably inacurrate for current Block II AH-64Ds. MPIV's were based off of a modern software package in use on the Block II.

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There is another pack? The two green displays are in the D and D-NR due to upgraded avianics over the A.

MPIV's AH-64 which was first released about 8 months ago.

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I like yours better Franze. Yours has a lot more detail and accuracy to it.

[meyamoti 0]

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There is another pack? The two green displays are in the D and D-NR due to upgraded avianics over the A.

MPIV's AH-64 which was first released about 8 months ago.

Don't make me laugh.

[franze 196]

You aren't laughing now?

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Laugh? I needed a barf bag when I saw mpiv's

[xnodunitx 0]

Alright guys,as much as we dislike MPIV's BIS stuff we shouldn't be harping on it in the open,might not be too good for MAS's future.

[franze 196]

Let's just put it this way, MPIV's is older, so of course it's not going to look as good. The last modernized release of it was around 3-4 months ago.

[Major Gripe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Laugh? I needed a barf bag when I saw mpiv's

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This kind of language is totally un-called for when referring to someones hard work and is very disrespectful. Throwaway comments like this are what make addonmakers leave this community and with stuff like this being posted I can't blame them. Constructive criticism such as

Quote[/b] ]I like yours better Franze. Yours has a lot more detail and accuracy to it.

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is fine but derogatory remarks are not.

ONTOPIC

These birds look great, just need to coax a few more kbps out of my connection before I get to fly aroud and terrorise the OPFOR!!

[meyamoti 0]

I'll give him all the constructive words when he comes up with something new,his pack has over 50+ of ever camo scheme,black,olive drab and desert,4 variants for about 6 fighting variants,that list to far too large,what I like about this one if how you can load weapons of your choice,not just 1 certain armament,another thing,I understand a mfd with a horizon,but why keep it static? I mean come on BAS atleast gave it a working map which made theirs so great.

[franze 196]

All Major Gripe means is that if you don't like it, post something like this:

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I don't like MPIV's AH-64 package, it's got too many variants of the same thing and no real defined purpose. It needs a lot of work, especially in textures and model, to be a super addon rather than just average.*

*I'm not bashing MPIV's AH-64 here, this was just a example.

You are allowed to state your opinion of course, the board rules just ask that you be respectful. My personal opinion of MPIV's AH-64 is that for what you get, it feels more like a repackaged series of BIS Apaches rather than completely fresh content. But you also have to remember that it's still not real new either.

Now I will say that I'd probably be a bit more 'harsh' on the addon, but it wouldn't be nice and would be against board rules.

Carry on.

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Hmm....with this issue having come up and MPIV release another apache pack I sense there might be a flame war soon,I would like to ask the mods to close this,I am currently not workingon any other national apache helicopters and I don't think Franze is either,we are currently doin somethin completely different. A thread will be posted when MAS releases or sets up a promo for the next addon.

[franze 196]

There's no need to close it, I think the discussion should remain open.

EDIT: And MPIV hasn't made a new release of his package (yet). StealthTiger just made a mirror of his package released several months ago, that's all.

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There's no need to close it, I think the discussion should remain open.

Agree

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There's no need to close it, I think the discussion should remain open.

EDIT: And MPIV hasn't made a new release of his package (yet). StealthTiger just made a mirror of his package released several months ago, that's all.

So..........why the **** did they do that?

[franze 196]

Just wanted to advertise a mirror, that's all. Doesn't hurt anything.

[xnodunitx 0]

Okay,the crazy face was more for a confused thing

[Thunderbird 0]

I will definately replace the current apache by your expected final ah-64A in the incoming patch.

Keep up the nice work ! I hope you will have time to improve the textures

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Hm? If there is another update on the Apache then it would be done by Franze,I'm not workin on it anymore for awhile,other models currently have me occupied,besides you guys always have the LOBO guys and the MPIV netherlands longbow's so our job is done,we wanted to show people you don't always have to use the same thing over and over again...seems it failed for many but I'm glad it made some people happy.

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I mean come on BAS atleast gave it a working map which made theirs so great.

Actually the map MFDs were DKM's idea.

I think the last 2 pages of this thread are terrible. I don't want to start a flame but anyone reading this topic who has not yet downloaded either AH-64 pack is going to get a very biased veiw, and I don't think its fair.

Marco's AH-64s are not worse than these, they are not better either. They are different.

For example, they are based on BIS's models and textures, yes. Aren't we forgetting who's game it is we are playing? The textures are also photo-based, on some of the paint schemes it looks a bit weird, but the rest look detailed and I would say at least on an equal footing as these.

The model is also perfect for OFP, in the right poly count area. It could be more accurate but it is pretty close as it is. As you already know, this addon is reported to have severe issues with lag and slow-downs on lower end PC's, which is almost certainly not true of Marco's.

Marco's are probably intended to represent a player's AH-64, one which looks like an AH-64 but is aimed at people more interested in pointing their weapons at the enemy than pointing their camera at the helicopter.

High poly models are all very pretty but can impact playability and it's not worth creating an addon aimed mostly at looking good, addons which end up in the Combat Photo thread the most often are usually they least PLAYED.

Two different addons with two different aims.. both good it just depends what the player is looking for in an addon, where is the need to slag each other off?

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I didnt mean to talk bad about the MPIV apache! Neither about this model.

I meant to say if you'd merge the MPIV cockpit with this model, you'd have the ultimate apache imo! The bright green MFD's look very nice both when viewing inside the cockpit from commander view, or when your actually flying the helo..

I still will use the other pack because the only dutch apache out there is also fron MPIV!

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I just took it for a spin, its a very impressive addon and i dont see what is wrong with the textures Very smooth addon, great work and i hope to see new AH64 pilots some day .

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I just took it for a spin, its a very impressive addon and i dont see what is wrong with the textures Very smooth addon, great work and i hope to see new AH64 pilots some day .

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Same here, the textures (and the rest of the whole thing) are top notch.

[franze 196]

Jaguar makes a good point, and one which I had been aiming for all along: if you aren't a big helicopter fan or don't want a CAS aircraft with features you aren't going to use, then MPIV's AH-64 is what you use. This is why when folks suggested we should have merged our efforts several months ago, I refused. With 2-4 AH-64 packages out there, the player can choose which one he or she likes the best. Does our AH-64 have issues? Of course! Is it the best ever helicopter made for OFP? Doubt it. Is it better/worse than MPIV's AH-64? That depends on what you're looking for.

If there's something you don't like about one package, there's always another one out there to try. The reality of things is that this AH-64 package is very complex; MPIV's remains a very simple and understandable package to use. Some people like that, others don't.

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I meant to say if you'd merge the MPIV cockpit with this model, you'd have the ultimate apache imo! The bright green MFD's look very nice both when viewing inside the cockpit from commander view, or when your actually flying the helo..

MPIV's MFDs are static and non-switchable. Our goal was to provide MFDs to provide various states of information. If you prefer to use MPIV's, thats entirely up to you.

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Laugh? I needed a barf bag when I saw mpiv's

Such comments are completely unacceptable, any repeat will result in a post restriction, if you can't be constructive then you can't post on these forums (that goes to anyone who made snide remarks about addons made by someone else).