Internet 2.0

[SpecOp9 0]

I was watching the news, and there was a story on College kids being fined money for illegally downloading music from their colleges high, high, HIGH speed internet, known as the Internet 2 (I2). Right now, it's not public really, but it's used by scientists, and other groups around those areas

I wondered what the heke it was, and I found the website.

http://www.internet2.edu/

-It has a has a capacity of 10 Gigabits per second (Gbps) making it more than 15,000 times faster than a typical home broadband connection.

-No special cables, connections, or equipment are needed to be connected to Internet2.

I think this will greatly change just about everything. I can't imagine streaming a high quality movie on an HDTV.

Do you guys think this will mean the end for Comcast and Verizon high speed services? Will it effect gaming in any way? Maybey even affect OFP2?

I take it sooner or later movies will no longer be purchased, but downloaded through services online. I have the feeling many people will be loosing their jobs also... Every revolutions has it's pros and cons.

I personally don't know much about this (I2), but I'm extremely interested in it

[Silent N Deadly 0]

10 GB? Omg that's amazing, too much really. AHH, can't even imagine it. That's like 4 movies in 1 second. WOW. I can't imagine how big the fiberoptic cable might be...it's Fiberoptic right?

[SpecOp9 0]

It says here,

No special cables, connections, or equipment are needed to be connected to Internet2.

Another interesting factor is, it's a NON-PROFIT organization that is doing this.

But I bet the government is funding them like crazy

[Silent N Deadly 0]

I don't see how it's possible without any special equipment.

And non-profit? Once the thing goes public I doubt they will just give the idea away.

[SpecOp9 0]

Well remember, there are laptops with wireless internet

I honestly have no idea neither, but, reguardless I sure as hell like the sound of it :P

[kegetys 2]

The "Internet2" is for universities for such to use, "no special equiment" means that it works by using existing technologies, not that it would not require any equipment at all. If I remember right, its purpose is more to test ipv6 and other new techonologies to be then used in the "normal" internet, and it is in no way going to replace the "normal" internet and is not meant for regular people to use.

[Colossus 2]

Holy...!  

Me want, me want now

*dreaming*

OFP2 with 100 people on a big high resolution map with awesome graphic, playing CTI. Two Ah-64 comming over the mountain, with the sun behind them so that you only see them as black shadows over the horizon, firing Hellfire missiles on the enemy base, everybody runs, SAM sites fires AA missiles on the AH-64 and...

*end of dreaming*

If only that was true

I'm hoping for the best

[der bastler 0]

-It has a has a capacity of 10 Gigabits per second (Gbps) making it more than 15,000 times faster than a typical home broadband connection.

Well, normal Internet has a capacity of 10+ Gbps, too. We are talking about backbones, not the connection to the end user:

Quote[/b] ]Abilene is a proving ground for high-bandwidth technologies. The cross-country backbone is 10 gigabits per second, with the goal of offering 100 megabits per second of connectivity between every Abilene connected desktop.

So finally an internet connection will reach the limit of my NIC.

Plus, some years ago Bell Labs reported a speed of several Tbps (10^12 Bits per second) in laboratory environment --with new optical (MEMS) multiplexers, switches and improved fiber materials...

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/27/155237&tid=126

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/17/129258&tid=126

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/11/09/0956233&tid=126

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000316110558.htm

http://www.lucent.com/press/0398/980302.bla.html

[soul_assassin 1723]

The "Internet2" is for universities for such to use, "no special equiment" means that it works by using existing technologies, not that it would not require any equipment at all. If I remember right, its purpose is more to test ipv6 and other new techonologies to be then used in the "normal" internet, and it is in no way going to replace the "normal" internet and is not meant for regular people to use.

when internet1 or whatever u want to call it as such was developed, it was also i no way ment to be for normal people, so before making hasty judgemens lets just wait and see.

[kegetys 2]

when internet1 or whatever u want to call it as such was developed, it was also i no way ment to be for normal people, so before making hasty judgemens lets just wait and see.

What "hasty judgements" have I made? Its not meant for public use, neither was the "internet1" and it did spread out, but that doesn't change the fact that internet2 isn't meant to replace the "internet1", and it doesnt need to either.

[MontyVCB 0]

lol! internet1 and interent2! sounds like low budget B movies to me   , tho it does sound interesting  

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I guess that also our computers must be able to cope with this amount of incoming data.

Funny enough, I believe that with this speed you wouldnt actually need to install a game.. it comes realtime straight through the cable!

For the future that would be great. Imagine you wouldnt have to download addons all the time. Whatever you need to play on a server it will directly be catered to you! You need the Y2k3 Mod to join? well a second later you got it!

[EiZei 0]

I guess that also our computers must be able to cope with this amount of incoming data.

Funny enough, I believe that with this speed you wouldnt actually need to install a game.. it comes realtime straight through the cable!

Correction, installing 2005 games realtime.

Just wait till blu-ray/HD-dvd comes and SATA gets popular.. 50GB installs anyone?

[Acecombat 0]

Have mercy i only have a 40 GB HDD .

[honchoblack 2]

ontopic:

this will take some time untill its available for the masses, first Wide Area Network

of the world was in 1965, after 10 years there were merely 200 host sever, in the

year 1984 only 1000, only in the following years it started growing exponential

so i guess its not worth holding your breath until you get it

Acecombat -

once it is out, you wont get arround getting yourself a dvd-burner

i wonder how you manage now, with the thousands of addons around

[Guest]

It might be made of existing equipment, but surely it must be quite specialised, since that much data transfer would produce quite a bit of heat. Telepohone exchanges that run banks of ADSL have significant cooling.....and that's for 10mb or lower. 15gb....well, freezer anyone?

[EiZei 0]

It might be made of existing equipment, but surely it must be quite specialised, since that much data transfer would produce quite a bit of heat. Telepohone exchanges that run banks of ADSL have significant cooling.....and that's for 10mb or lower. 15gb....well, freezer anyone?

With this logic I should be using liquid nitrogen with a 3GHz processor since my old athlon 700 run hot like hell.

[Gadger 0]

We had a lecture on this sometime ago, it isn't for the commerical user, more-so for universities, non-profit organisations and no-doubt the military. IIRC the thought is to simply link already existing high speed private networks without letting them getting bogged down by commerical users, moreover its simply a private intranet that can almost rival the size of the commercial internet in terms of size.

[Akira 0]

Just saw something about this on the News. The RIAA is about to come down hard on I2 or its users because (as one can expect) with a virtually limitless bandwidth students and other people have been using it for extremely fast file sharing.

[SpecOp9 0]

I2 actually started in 1996, or so I think.

I really do hope it goes public sometime soon... But yes, the regular Internet was not meant for ordinary people to use neither, but it happened

[SpecOp9 0]

Funny enough, I believe that with this speed you wouldnt actually need to install a game.. it comes realtime straight through the cable!  

Well that's another thing I'm thinking about.

All the game Publishers would no longer have to put massive amounts of funding towards creating clones of game boxes and CDs, instead a person can register the game with their credit card online, and then be given a download link for it.

This could also mean movie rental stores going down the drain. I see those commercials all the time where you can order movies with your cable box, or even rent movies online.

In retaliation, Blockbuster and other rental places have changed the way their rental system works to try and keep up with whats going on in the digital world.

DVDs might die down too, why would someone physicaly buy a DVD at the store when they can just download it in a matter of minutes? It would be faster, and maybey even cheaper.

This reminds me of the industrial revolution a little :P

Machines taking people's jobs from them

[Homefry 0]

I think all of this is available now... we're just thinking faster connections here, a lot can be done with extremely fast connections but that isn't anything new. Many new games are simply available for download online (legally, you pay and then you get a download link). To me the I2, though it isn't, just sounds like a really nice T3 line.

[Scrub 0]

As said before, Internet 2 is for universities,and tech laboratories (Oakridge National Laboratories and such).  It's primary purpose is as a testbed for connectivity technologies (and yes, 10GB to a single computer, probably more than the backbone your current ISP). It also has an IP address allotment that will last for the next millenium.  128 bit, IIRC, instead of the current 32 bit IP scheme.  Security will be a bunch thicker too, more confirmation of a packets origin and destination.

 It's current tech successes are 'net based computing, where computers share processing power, as said in Maximum PC Magazine "It's like the difference between doing the SETI @ Home Project on a LAN, compaired to Email".  They mention it's possible you wont pay by bandwith, but by INSTRUCTION.  So if your rig doesn't have the horsepower to run that new game well, available processing power from the 'Net can be used to keep you in the game, and vice-versa.  Uber expensive super computer facilities won't be needed as much, the bandwith and net 'puting has already shown it's possible to do models and simulations of Fluidics and Thermal transfer on a common desktop! Freekin amazing if you know anything about the complexity of Aero/Hydro/thermal dynamics.  

Other successful items are:

-Your ISP will be able to do data back-up of your machine (not so sure if I like THAT one).  

-Computer manufacturers could sell Net powered terminals that boot up on firmware and get their OS and Apps online faster than you can boot up now.

-VR teleoperating of equipment.  Dangerous construction duty, remote surgical operations from a comfy armchair.  I can see it now, "Hey Bob, what's the IP address of the sludge-pit bulldozer?" (Okay, this isn't for the general public, but it's damn cool!)

Much of this tech is slated to come online within a decade.

I don't know if I should be jumping for joy at this tech, or to be terrified at what could be done sooo freekin fast.  Hackers will have a field day in the blink of an eye.

**(All info was from a recient -1 or 2 months ago- issue of Maximum PC Magazine.) **

Quote[/b] ]Specop9 wrote:

This could also mean movie rental stores going down the drain.  I see those commercials all the time where you can order movies with your cable box, or even rent movies online.

In retaliation, Blockbuster and other rental places have changed the way their rental system works to try and keep up with whats going on in the digital world.

DVDs might die down too, why would someone physicaly buy a DVD at the store when they can just download it in a matter of minutes?  It would be faster, and maybey even cheaper.

This reminds me of the industrial revolution a little :P

Machines taking people's jobs from them

Yeah, good point.  Efficiency beyond a certain level hurts, because fewer and fewer people have jobs to pay for anything.  

[Silent N Deadly 0]

I think 50MB-100MB is enough, too much higher and it's just too fast. No need for 10GB/sec.

[crashdome 1]

Yeah... that's what I said about my 1200baud modem for my C-64....

I wouldn't put too much stock into that article. I've had a glimpse of it and it wasn't very wonderous (yet).

However, I do believe one goal is to link appliances. Imagine your toaster has an IP address.... and imagine it breaks down... then imagine calling tech support in Abu Dhabi (digitally of course) as they upgrade it's firmware over the net to fix it....

I don't need to be THAT connected.

---Scratch what I just said... that is only an IPv6 goal---

EDIT:

Quote[/b] ]No special cables, connections, or equipment are needed to be connected to Internet2. In most cases, the NJIT data network automatically chooses Internet2 if you are connecting with another Internet2 member.

However, to get the full advantages of Internet2 access, workstations and servers should be at least 10 Mbps (with applications requiring 100 Mbps) and workstations must be able to sustain high bandwidth applications (this might require the addition of additional memory or an upgrade to a higher speed processor or higher speed internal bus).

Security measures (such as firewalls) may need special configuration to permit access to Internet2 networks.

Videoconferencing applications over Internet2 require codecs that use the H.323 (IP) protocol and specific applications may have other additional requirements in order to fully use Internet2.

From: http://internet2.njit.edu/faq.html

Yet another: http://scv.bu.edu/vBNS/Seminar-10feb97/I2Apps/I2Internet2.html

The home page for I2 at my University: http://www.uwm.edu/i2/