European Politics Thread.

[bardosy 114]

There is no any news about it in the mainstream media of Hungary. :(

 

http://ndie.pl/dziesiatki-tysiecy-polakow-na-ulicach-przeciw-imigrantom/

dozen Polish cities today protest against islamization

 

 

This is typical: the western media always curse Hungary, it's a dictatorship and there are no free press here ("free press" is mean "liberal press" in PC language). But the truth is contrary: the majority of media is liberal in Hungary. :( So this so called fact against Hungary is also a lie.

[sudayev 27]

This is how leftist government affiliated media in Poland "create problems" and speak out loudly about them. Recently government led by pro-Berlin activist - Ewa Kopacz (Tusk' replacement) has contributed vastly into many anti hate-speech projects and anti-racist initiatives. They hosted many event in public space including coordinated actions in the Internet involving hiring more influential bloggers to help them.

 

One of such examples are here, it's described how anti-hate works. You take photo, report, wait and it's gone. Just like here...

http://metrowarszawa.gazeta.pl/metrowarszawa/1,141637,18757162.html

 

But the funny thing is...These spray written slogans WERE NEVER THERE while action organizers claim it's due to their intervention these slogans are no more.

 

People who use this passage on a daily basis don't recall seeing such writings. Of course, because these slogans are product of poor photoshopping! Moreover walls doesn't appear to be cleaned, no washing spots, no signs of chemical cleaning. 

 

http://www.wykop.pl/ramka/2776937/platforma-obywatelska-i-gazeta-wyborcza-manipuluja-i-oszukuja-polakow/

 

Only stupid propaganda we're being bashed every day. This whole situation reminds me a story about this sorry-ass Jewish activist who pained anti-Jewish slogans on synagogue walls in New York. 

 

[vilas 282]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Konflikt-i-starcie-w-osrodku-dla-uchodzcow-w-Hesji-Sa-ranni,wid,17874965,wiadomosc.html

 

there is info that there were riots among imigrants in Germany, any details ? cause our press do not say why ?

press only said that before there were small riots "because of offending Quoran"

but this battle was few hundreds man among each other

 

http://niezalezna.pl/71346-w-niemczech-krwawe-bojki-pomiedzy-uchodzcami-w-holandii-chca-pieniedzy-na-papierosy

riots in The Netherland, invaders want extra money for cigarets and in interview "refugee" said : "food is boring, internet connection is too slow" 

[Rydygier 1029]

http://www4.rp.pl/Uchodzcy/309269932-Uchodzcy-o-Finlandii-Zimno-i-nudno.html

 

Finland - "too cold and boring". Just, what I said about "sherbet and houris" expectations verified by "cold and boring" reality of European "paradise". And meanwhile... Winter is coming. :)

 

 

AFP writes about hundreds of refugees, mainly Iraqis who return from Finland to Sweden and withdraw applications for asylum.

 

 

Because is so warm in Sweden... It's serious situation of heavy cost for many people, some died because of it, but absurdal stupidity of both sides here, immigrants and European "Samaritans", makes me laugh and I can't help myself. It's bitter laugh though. 

[Tonci87 161]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Konflikt-i-starcie-w-osrodku-dla-uchodzcow-w-Hesji-Sa-ranni,wid,17874965,wiadomosc.html

 

there is info that there were riots among imigrants in Germany, any details ? cause our press do not say why ?

press only said that before there were small riots "because of offending Quoran"

but this battle was few hundreds man among each other

 

http://niezalezna.pl/71346-w-niemczech-krwawe-bojki-pomiedzy-uchodzcami-w-holandii-chca-pieniedzy-na-papierosy

riots in The Netherland, invaders want extra money for cigarets and in interview "refugee" said : "food is boring, internet connection is too slow" 

 

 

There was a pretty big brawl between a few hundred refugees in a camp. Nothing serious though, a few wounded including three police officers. I´ve seen bigger brawls in my local disco....

Apparently it started when a yound man tried to skipp the line where people waited to receive food and an older man called him out for that. The particular camp is overcrowded with 1500 refugees while only having the capacity for 1000. 

 

 

Also this:

[vilas 282]

shame this video doesn't show what is here:

https://youtu.be/9DHJLBew0K8(in English, just subtitles are Polish) where muslims openly say we are less than goat, we are worse of all animals - we infidels, movie is about serial rapes and what they say that our women belong to them,

and shame this video doesn;t show Anjem Choudary-like immams  and other immams claiming that we are worse than cattle , that our women should be raped cause only such way they can enter paradise etc.

or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNJ3z49pPDE

 

http://ndie.pl/cenzura-w-niemczech-utrata-praw-rodzicielskich-za-anty-imigranckie-komentarze/ < Germany to enter cenzorship ? punishing for anti-imigrant comments ? where is freedom if defening own culture can be punished,

previously i linked when Merkel met guys from Facebook demanding cenzorship

[St. Jimmy 272]

Also this:

Some funny points but also very much the other end propaganda or biased. 12:03 is like the most shittiest reason to be tossed. World doesn't need more people. Like finally something is going in the right way but then bussniessmen aren't happy because they can't keep money growing because there isn't enough people. Finally we could do something different in Europe and not rely on growth, but no... Maybe we will keep Arabic and African countries as our baby factories and travel them to work here in the future which is sickening...

[vilas 282]

the best is to compare our level of development, machines etc. and other , we all started 10 thousands years ago from caves , which civilisation has machines, which not, which has peace which slaughters on and on and on, who was selling slaves 5 hundreds years ago ? their kings , long before there were colonies, they were selling their people as slaves,

 

Maybe we will keep Arabic and African countries as our baby factories and travel them to work here in the future which is sickening...

more over, why natives don't get free flats, but they do ,

i was comparing here benefits, social care for unemployed etc.

why newcomers would get better social than natives who pay taxes but lost job?

why they would get flat, which i don't

family ? than why i won't get flat but they do

i can compare now in short, Poland:

unemployment benefit - 820 PLN ALONE for 3 months, he must pay his flat himself,

imigrant - 1335 PLN  PER PERSON IN FAMILY , he gets free flat, maybe also free food and medicine

WHY ?

i was 3 years ago earning 2300 PLN, after paying flat hire rent i had 1000 PLN leave, which means 335 less than they would have left, why ? when i paid all my bills i had less than they would get, why the fuck ?

i know other mod maker from my country who has few kids and he has much less per capita than they would get, why 5 people family has to live for 4500 (he has to pay flat hire, after paying flat he has left 3500 PLN) while 5 arabs would get 6675 (without paying flat hire) which means imigrants (because state funds acomodation, medical treatment) lives better than native who pays taxes,

and such journalist dare to say about family, kids ?

i know people who earn 2000, 1900 PLN, 2200 PLN, when they pay for flat, electricity, all costs, they have left 1000, 900, etc. imigrant has left 1335*person (if he and kid than 2700) from our taxes, and he later riot cause he demands sharia

what stopps me since several years from having family ? magic word "flat" "bank credit" "money", a friend of my has kids and lives not good financially, others emigrated to UK to have kids,

Ukrainians here work in supermarkets for 1600 PLN, they have to pay for flat, muslim would get 1335 + flat ? what tha faaak

this journalists have no clue or he is simply propaganda

moreover - we can loose job, they won't because state guarantee their job, crazy

[dontknowhow 33]

Also this:

nice video

[vilas 282]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/video-arabic-speaking-woman-tells-what-migrants-really-say-about-infidels

 

Arabic speaking woman translates invaders - what they say about Europe

 

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/uk-muslims-pelt-soldier-in-uniform-with-eggs-excrement 

 

UK - another soldier attacked by muslims

[sudayev 27]

Watch this. This is some sort of cabaret... Africans from Ghana and Ivory Coast are complaining about conditions inside Italian refugee camp. First of all can anyone enlight me if there is any war in Ghana or Ivory coast, some sort of humanitarian crisis that makes citizens of these countries flee to Europe? Basing on my knowledge, Ghana is among those countries in Africa that are stable and developing, not to mention their interest in nuclear energy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-sj_3rJmM&t=9

 

And they are telling us to accept these African economical migrants and opportunists. What these people are still doing here? There is obviously NO control over who enters Europe. 

[d_lukin 16]

United Nations Seventieth Anniversary

 

 

 

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High voltage: Putin & Obama address UN hours before long-awaited meeting

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Obama's speech

 

 

Putin's speech

 

 

I am a little wrong with thread, if can move the post here

[vilas 282]

like those who riot over wi-fi speed 

http://img3.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/1443294843_mnnw0h_600.jpg- mainstream media not show, mass demonstrations against islamization

http://img2.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/1443397373_zdaynv_600.jpg< muslim refugee thanx Norway for benefits and social care

http://img8.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/1443393199_0gao0q_600.jpg< Hungary, brave refugee saved wallet left in car, so wallet not choke closed in hot car (irony to saving dogs or kids left in cars in summer)

http://img7.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/gallery_1443379122_299517.jpg< they play yoga after job

http://img7.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/gallery_1443379122_60433.jpg< caring about fit food they resign from not healthy water

http://img7.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/gallery_1443379122_922853.jpg< always helping when car is broken

http://img7.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/gallery_1443379123_7504.jpg< they chosen Sima (? a movie or what? )

http://img7.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/gallery_1443379123_422507.jpg< running to not be late at work

 

 

http://wpolityce.pl/swiat/266839-czy-chrzescijanin-moze-zrozumiec-islam

article "can Christian understand Islam ?"

translation in short "our civilisation created atomic bomb, they created demographic bomb, we see 70% of young fit males who go to more rich world, in Christianity Christ shows the way but he not treats believers as soldiers that must follow orders and not think and kill others, west lives in post-Christian civilisation, secular civilisation, we see thousands of 20 years old males shouting Allah Akbar, they believe that west is rotten morrally and they have to change west, it reminds bolsheviks who also seen west as rotten and invaded others to bring them communism, it reminds nazism which wanted to settle lebensrau for uber-humans, of course west wants cheap labor, but this fails cause those immigrants do not integrate, imigrants despise western people, western world reminds words of Lenin which said "west will sell us rope on which we will hang them", they are not escaping war, because in Turkey where they come from there is no war, also in Jordania , it is them who laugh destroying 4000 years old architecture, one of their sex-slaves (which they see legal) which get internet connection asked "i was raped 30 times today, please bomb us as soon as possible i do not want to live", do you think you can talk with muslims - as if you were in her position? politicians avoid to say truth, they say they fight extremism, yeeaa and in 1939 we fough not against Germans but  against blitzkrieg, yeaa, i feel shame for leftists, human rights fighters, because they will be first to behead, rich elites of this world want to limit our freedoms and they use muslims to this purpose, when our lives will be in danger, we ourselves gonna ask elites to take away our freedoms and police state, maybe this is real goal of this war"

so more and more people see that there may be conspiracy over this, because elites who rule Europe do all to create internal conflict, as result of this conflict Orwell novel Year 1984 will became our reality, 

 

lol

http://wpolityce.pl/polityka/266835-miliardy-omijaja-budzet-nawet-wyborcza-dostrzega-skutki-podatkowych-unikow-wielkich-korporacji

leftis media noticed what right wing media say for over decade - western corporations do not pay taxes and 46 bilions of PLN (11  bilions € every year of not paid taxes) also European Union Commision report founds that many corporations are registered in Luxemburg (this famous EU poltician is from there) and pay very low taxes in Luxemburg, while they sell products in whole EU, (now conspiracy theory - why this guy shown on video , almost leads EU ? maybe because corporations sent him there )

European Commision reported that - .... there is even120 bilions of euro not-paid taxes by corporations who pay few cents in Luxembourg

we say about crisis - if corporations paid taxes in countries they sell products - example on Poland, than ... budget of Polish army is 38 bilions PLN, corporations should pay ca 46 bilions PLN of taxes (when you use the same tax as Polish industry and business pays as CIT - "corporation income tax"),

whole EU looses 120 bilions Euro, Poland looses 11 bilions Euro - every year, because of international corporations registered in tax-haven countries or simply abroad, a lot of hate against Orban was caused by fact that Orban forced few corporations to pay tax in Hungary and suddenly money in budget allows  to cut personal taxes , 

edit: http://wpolityce.pl/gospodarka/266854-co-na-to-platforma-raport-ke-jak-program-pis-zagraniczne-koncerny-doja-polske-na-46-mld-zlotych-rocznie-przy-podatku-cit-i-na-kolejne-50-mld-przy-vat- another article, European Commision confirmed, Poland looses 46 bln PLN (11 bln Euros) due not paying taxes by foreign corporations and 50 bln PLN (12 bln € ) on not paying VAT, which means we loose 23 bln € every year (in 3 years it is sume bigger than whole EU funds in decade)

 

http://www.fronda.pl/a/islamscy-uchodzcy-przesladuja-w-niemczech-chrzescijan,57700.html

a story from refugee camps in Europe - muslims attack Christians, threat them with death , Syrian Christian refugees say they afraid of life cause muslim reugees want to kill them

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Putin speech in UN ? haha, he says ISIS desecrate Islam ? lol , ISIS is doing what Quoran says, ISIS is real face of Islam , hardcore true believers, like Taliban, Al-Queda, Sharia patrols, beheaded and hanged gays, apostates, Putin opens huge mosque in Moscow after what they done in hospital , theatre, blocks of flats ? the same hypocrite like west - like from quoted article "we haven't fought against blitzkrieg in 1939, we fought Germany - Third Reich" , ISIS follows what quoran says, if other people who tell they are muslims do not do it - it is because they do not follow Quoran strictly, and they are the same like Catholics who have sex before marriage and not forgive enemies, they are simply fake believers, real believer does all what holy book says, if book says "you must wear blue t-shirt, kill anyone who has red t-shirt" than you killing people wearing red t-shirt and wear blue t-shirt - than you are real believer - this is what is religion (and why religon is evil in itself, religion is brainless following book ,every religion says to follow, believe and not ask any question - this is what is clue of any religion , but thats why i respect "Amish" and "Jehova Witness"  ),

we live in world of hypocrisy, 80-90% lie and lie ,  for example real Christian who follows Christ  should say "i am sory" when you hit him (Christ said that Christian must forgive and ask for forgiveness when he is hit ), ISIS simply does what that religion says, like 10 ages ago, but because we live in hypocrisy, we say that real follower is extemists and only them should be destroyed, not them, but whole religion is problem, whole globe is full of hypocrisy , politicians say "we cannot blame religion" , sorry, what can we blame when we have some males doing exactly what book of that religion says? politicians say they not blame religion system but few extremists (who in fact are real believers doing exactly what book from milenium ago says) ?

 

 

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http://kontrowersje.net/hejt_czyli_synowie_i_wnuki_resortu_poluj_na_spekulant_w_i_bikiniarzy

http://www.fronda.pl/forum/tak-gazeta-wybiorcza-i-platforma-ormowcow-manipuluja-polakami,68221.html

http://pikio.pl/slynny-napis-z-akcji-hejt-stop-na-murze-zrobil-grafik/

 

what a low level of leftist media 

 

they published article "stop hate" that "Poles are not tollerant" and they... produced FAKE grafiiti for article to show NOT EXISTING anti-muslim grafiiti

can you imagine ?

2D artist painted in photoshop grafiiti on photo of wall to ilustrate "hate speech graffiti" that left media informed to be on that wall, but this is 2D photoshop not real wall photo, 

idiots done it on subway station wall - thousands of people noticed it is fake, o my god, and our left wing base on it "anti hate speech campaign" , 

left wing goes so deep that they start paint themselves walls to show hate-speech, lololololololol, photoshoped grafitti as basis for anti-hate-speech campaign, lol

 

reminds Tomas Gross book about massacre of Jews by Poles - asked by historicians "do you have proofs on what you said in book" he answered " i have seen it in my dreams, i do not need more proofs" (but west believed in book written by him, while this author says it bases on his dream-nightmare which he had after car crash accident)

[vilas 282]

http://www.thelocal.dk/20150929/danish-police-officer-stabbed-at-asylum-centre

policeman in Demnark stabbed with knife in asylum center

http://ndie.pl/dania-gminy-dzieki-imigrantom-maja-wielomilionowe-straty/

Denmark municipal budgets in problem, they report that there is need to cut social for natives to have money on refugees, and lower class, pensioniers, etc. will have cut funding swimingpool, school, public transport - to save money to asylum centers and benefits 

 

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1329,title,Miriam-Shaded-trzecia-wojna-swiatowa-juz-sie-rozpoczela,wid,17877330,wiadomosc.html

another refugee speaks, Syrian christian woman says in interview - this is third world war, between civilizations, we should help only christians and it is not racism but survival cause they kill all non believers

in Polish media we had several interviews with refugees (real , not fake) who are totally against bringing here any muslims, including guy who owns several kebab-restaurants and who says "i offered them job, they asked how to not work and get to Germany to get there benefits, there were no Syrians just Eritreans " , some other refugees interviewed by journalists said they are scared cause they escaped islamic states and do not want islam to follow them

[vilas 282]

http://ndie.pl/mark-zuckerberg-przylapany-na-uzgadnianiu-z-merkel-cenzury-facebooka/

Merkel meet Zuckerberg to discuss (already mentioned before, but now again they met) cenzorship of non politically correct accounts , news, comments

[vilas 282]

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/b/6/b6ebdb0796be97fbb385c6607fdaab1b.jpg

about pictures of poor kids

this is Zolika from town Horgos, he and his gradmother are so poor that they colloect food thow away by invaders because food is not halal, 

this is real problem that noone from "human rights watch" see, poor native people, who beg for food, 

just google Zolika Horgos and you will find more about kid, his family etc. 

for them food is food, food is life, not haram or halal , 

in Serbia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Slovakia - we have poor kids, poverty, malnutrition, homeless people etc. they would work if they had job offered, they do not throw food away 

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/document-muslim-migrants-raping-women-and-children-in-camp-in-germany.html/ & http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/germany-must-separate-christians-from-muslim-migrants-as-violent-attacks-surge.html/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/germany-muslim-refugees-attack-christian-refugees-so-often-that-police-chief-says-they-should-be-housed-separately

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-mic-confronting-facebooks-zuckerberg-over-censoring-anti-migrant-posts.html/!!! cenzorhips in Germany soon

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/muslims-pelt-british-soldier-in-uniform-with-eggs-excrement.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/uk-soldier-moved-from-hospital-waiting-room-over-fears-his-uniform-might-offend-muslims.html/

whaat British soldiers have to feel shame of their uniforms ? it is proud to have country's uniform in normal civilisation

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/europe-under-siege-gangs-of-muslim-men-roaming-the-streets-young-women-being-told-to-cover-up.html/

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/germany-muslim-parents-brutally-honor-murder-teen-for-having-sex.html/

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/watch-arabic-speaking-ukrainian-woman-tells-what-the-migrants-are-really-saying-about-infidels.html/

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/uk-anti-isis-artwork-banned-from-free-speech-exhibition-for-fear-of-muslims.html/

anti ISIS cartoon banned to not offend muslims in UK, so is ISIS islam or not 

http://img4.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201509/1443561470_kskg4r_600.jpg

"when there will be zombie apocalypse, left wing will defend rights of zombie"

[Tonci87 161]

http://ndie.pl/mark-zuckerberg-przylapany-na-uzgadnianiu-z-merkel-cenzury-facebooka/

Merkel meet Zuckerberg to discuss (already mentioned before, but now again they met) cenzorship of non politically correct accounts , news, comments

 

 

That is actually not what it is about, as usuall the media you consume is astonishingly missinformed or twisting the truth. There is free speech in Germany, so everybody is entitled to his own opinion. That of course extends to the internet.

If someone for example writes on facebook that he hates immigrants, that is OK. It is his right to do that.

However, in the last few months there have been problems with inciting comments on facebook and that is what the law prohibits.

So again to keep it very simple:

Posting "I hate immigrants" -> OK

Posting "I hate immigrants, someone should kill them all / Burn their homes / We should deport them all / a shame they didn´t all drown in the sea" -> inciting -> totally not OK

[vilas 282]

 

 

We should deport them all /

it is not okay ? is it hunted ? 

because it doesn't say to murder , just let they work on their land, let they fight for their country and their freedom with their opressor or... they simply want to bring jihad here and live from benefits as form of jazyjia 

 

 

 

a shame they didn´t all drown in the sea

if we say about protecting EU borders by navy, it would be result of better protection of naval border - using navy to stop boats , 

question is how they see our softness - not as weakness and being suckers ? 

 

there is problem how to effectively protect our coasts to not allow any ilegally cross it  other way than not using force on sea, would be good to ask some Italians living in some islands, people from Greek islands about this, what you would do when 1000 boats with 80 man on each would swim to your island ? 

it is matter of time when magic number of 1 milion peope will be crossed , what when this milion people will start to connect with families and bring families on social care ?  we really can bankrupt and lost all what we gained after several revolutions 

 

issue is to count our population, all budget costs, benefits, taxes, future budget, future costs, and how it gonna change our societies 

 

there are reports that 70-80% of those "refugees" are fit young males

why they not take rifles and fight against ISIS, they are more and would ountnumber extreme, why they not fight extreme?  has anyone asked himself such question ? 

some of blogers here, politicians say about torpedoing those boats

others say "we should give them AK and send them back , let they fight ISIS for sake of their families" 

 

why they not fight ISIS in their home countries ? (if they are at all from war zones, not just ECONOMICAL migrants who want benefits without work) 

there are 2 logical explanations:

- they come for benefits

- they come to bring jihad

 

otherwise they would outnumber ISIS and each of them would take a rifle and in month we do not have problem of islamic extremism - if they really wanted our lifestyle, such number of young males would do the job,

we have hundreds of thousands of young fit males from different countries who say to be refugee  from warzones, but in asylum camps they attack Christians, doesn't ring any bell ? 

 

what would you do if for example 20% of your society would take arms, organized civil war, would you escape of fight with them to protect your family and relatives and beloved ones ? 

imagine that 20% or 15% takes arms and tries to turn your country into middle ages, 

question - why army not eliminated them yet - because they have society support, question how big ? 30 % 40% 50 % 60% 70% 80% ?

if support is 20%, than rest of society takes arms, eliminates extreme and there is peace, 

if support is 80%  than there is problem (also ethical in case of freedom and democracy point of view)  

 

how many of those migrants deserve to be called refugee - person who escapes from oppression for being in minority (sexual, religious, national) 

 

if you have your city with 100 000 people

and there come 20 000 or in future 200 000 people who want to live from your tax, what would you do ? how would you prevent your 100 000 people , i do not say about being morally high, i say about survival also economy survival or our benefits, social care, tax, income, budget , 

what would you do if in your 100 000 people town, there comes 20 or 50 or 120 k  people from other town demanding vote the same as you, but they would vote on things you cannot accept, 

time of being morally high ends when there is survival issue , and all efforts should be done to push perspective of survival as far as possible, to avoid real hardcore that may come in 10, 15 years, 

all those males would bring wives, sisters, uncles, kids, and have another kids, 

year 2030 and population of Europe is totally different, you have daughter in 2017, and in 2030 your daughter says "dad how could you allow it" cause someone rape her on street demanding to wear burka , visit some of their countries and try to find our culture rights and freedoms there , such future awaits us if we gonna be morally high now

[Tonci87 161]

Vilas I tried to explain it in a very simple way. Everybody is OK to have an opinion and to state that. However once he starts inciting others to harm other people it becomes a crime. That is law and has been for half a century in Germany. They learned their lesson with the third reich where such a law didn´t exist.

[vilas 282]

calling to kill others is crime, calling to deport not , 

problem is that soon telling about jihad will be seen as racism

 

there are media which act Swedish way - if crime was religiously motivated - they not say it, other media say it, they would love to shut mouth of those other media - it is problem

 

because nowadays in some media you can say "it was commited by imigrant who not worked" i am afraid of situation when saying it would be prison, 

or someone would take "offending quoran" as crime too, than Charlie Hebdo terrorists won

 

nowadays racism and hate-speech is redefined, 

immam saying to slaughter us is not hate speech, saying that immam say to slaughter us  becomes hate speech, 

if they will cut it on cenzorship, than we can live in town when migrants who are 2% commit 80% of crimes and we hear that there is no crime and local politicians who demand safety would fall under punishment because his words "we must deport those 2% and problems end" would eliminate such politician and people still would suffer criminal acts of 2%, than majority suffer cause someone said that it is not tolerant, and 2% keeps grip on 98%,

 

freedom , democracy, transparency - such values are for europeans important and it is very sensitive area which are and which aren't okay

 

i am afraid that limiting freedom may lead people who are victims to be outlaw (victims of crimes, rapes, tax politics ) i was posting here news from Sweden as hardcore example, also i cannot imagine things i read from UK, soldiers told to hide their reason to proud - national uniform 

 

we must keep our rights, our freedoms, our social care , it is not miracle , noone borns neo-nazi, people became like this because of mainstream global politics , mad cycos are 1-2% in all societies, 

bigger support is not result of cycos, but result of wrong mainstream politics and people should know about such politics 

 

limiting freedom in future may lead to limit any information that may "offend" minority which doesn't integrate or group which commit crimes or group which is extreme too but extreme in their way, 

we define extreme and hate as only White people far right

 

what about immams ? 

[Tonci87 161]

calling to kill others is crime, calling to deport not , 

problem is that soon telling about jihad will be seen as racism

 

there are media which act Swedish way - if crime was religiously motivated - they not say it, other media say it, they would love to shut mouth of those other media - it is problem

 

because nowadays in some media you can say "it was commited by imigrant who not worked" i am afraid of situation when saying it would be prison, 

or someone would take "offending quoran" as crime too, than Charlie Hebdo terrorists won

 

nowadays racism and hate-speech is redefined, 

immam saying to slaughter us is not hate speech, saying that immam say to slaughter us  becomes hate speech, 

if they will cut it on cenzorship, than we can live in town when migrants who are 2% commit 80% of crimes and we hear that there is no crime and local politicians who demand safety would fall under punishment

 

 

No Vilas!

If a Imam preaches hate he is commiting a crime and will be prosecuted if the case is reported to the police (there is the problem, sadly many Muslims distrust the authorities due to past experiences....).

If you say that the Imam preaches hate you are accusing him of a crime and the police will start to investigate.

[vilas 282]

 

No Vilas!

If a Imam preaches hate he is commiting a crime and will be prosecuted if the case is reported to the police (there is the problem, sadly many Muslims distrust the authorities due to past experiences....).

If you say that the Imam preaches hate you are accusing him of a crime and the police will start to investigate.

 

internet is full of movies of immams shouting that we are worse than cattle, that our women belong to them and should be raped etc. 

Youtube is full of their movies, 

question - how many of them do it since 3-4 years every day ? how many of them are in prison ? 

what about people who demonstrated with banners "behead infidels" in several western cities, those people are photographed, how many of them sit now in prison ? 

immams say about selling young underage girls, they say it in public interviews, newspapers are read by 20 000, 50 000 , 150 000 people , everyone seen it, 

when you criticize this immam - you have label nazi, racist 

sharia patrol guys in UK were arrested only after they murdered someone, but for 2 years they were active and beating people, i wonder how many skinheads were arrested in the same period , when sharia patrol beaten locals in London, 

and why sharia law is not treated equally as other tyranny systems by law ? what differs sharia limitations from systems we know from mid of XX or holy inquisition ? 

supporting sharia = supporting killing LGTB and apostates = hate speech, 

how many muslims see sharia as okay ? 

according to some polls from one newspaper , in UK, even 30% in some countries 70% , what about limiting them , for 90% of Afghan people we all should be dead cause many of us here are secular and some are Christians, 

neonazis are 1% and in very badly ruled countries 5% or 7%

not 30% or 70%

i would have nothing against muslims who would say that sharia is worst thing on earth , Turkish or Bosniak muslims do not support sharia, Pakistan 80% according to researches, 

whole sharia system is one big hate speech monument , not few cycos with tatoo of swastica , skinheads active are less than 1% or 1 permile , in my country they cannot collect 200 people on demonstration , but when there is demonstration against islamization and sharia future, we have tens of thousands of people , 

now such limits on freedom may equal those who organize anti-islamization protest with neo-nazis, while in fact those groups are different, 

people who hate sharia are people who hate tyranny, but with politicall correct cenzorship they fall under one flag of "nazis, racists" , 

our system doesn't do anything about real hate speech, because the more mixed we are, the more problems we have - the closer to Year 1984, our elites do not want us to think about ACTA, GMO, TTIP, our elites want us to think about "how to cross street today and return to home safe, and how to not loose job today" , 

the more homogenic we are, the more we are united, the less government can abuse us - it is second issue , only united people can do effective strike, there is old Roman era rule "divide et impera" - divide and rule, 

if we not united - we are easier to break

there are words of priest who  led mass during marriage of my cousin "we are like twigs of tree, you can break one twig, but when you take few twigs together , there is no force to break them" 

when we are like those twigs, when we are connected - noone can break us, 

when twigs are not connected, you break them one by one, nothing connects as much as one goal, with cenzorship twig doesn't know that government wants to break other twig, 

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Vilas I tried to explain it in a very simple way. Everybody is OK to have an opinion and to state that. However once he starts inciting others to harm other people it becomes a crime. That is law and has been for half a century in Germany. They learned their lesson with the third reich where such a law didn´t exist.

 

Acctually, facebook don't work this way. Facebook have teams in every country (or even every language region: Ireland and UK same, Germany, Austria same...) And these teams decide what is hateful.

If you post in facebook in Hungarian "i hate jews" it will be deleted immediately and you will be treaten, next time they delete your profile. But if you post "I want kill all christians. They deserv to shoot them all into Danube" it's OK for facebook (or at least their regional team). I reported lot of anti-christian posts (not just hate, but thretening posts) and the official respond was: "we investigate this post and this is not against our policy".

 

So acctually facebook use double standard. You cannot treaten immigrants or jews, but you can promise terrible death for christians. And this is not conspiration theory, this is what I experienced by discuss with facebook's officials. I hope you are right and in Germany, facebook works better and by single standard.

[vilas 282]

Acctually, facebook don't work this way. Facebook have teams in every country (or even every language region: Ireland and UK same, Germany, Austria same...) And these teams decide what is hateful.

If you post in facebook in Hungarian "i hate jews" it will be deleted immediately and you will be treaten, next time they delete your profile. But if you post "I want kill all christians. They deserv to shoot them all into Danube" it's OK for facebook (or at least their regional team). I reported lot of anti-christian posts (not just hate, but thretening posts) and the official respond was: "we investigate this post and this is not against our policy".

 

So acctually facebook use double standard. You cannot treaten immigrants or jews, but you can promise terrible death for christians. And this is not conspiration theory, this is what I experienced by discuss with facebook's officials. I hope you are right and in Germany, facebook works better and by single standard.

i agree, last years in press we observe reversed racism, or rather racism

but anti-White racism, anti-Christian racism

it is the same with "art" and hate speech

people are sentenced for defamation of quoran, metal artists burn bible on shows,

people say "death to right wing bigots" and it is okay, but if some would say "death to feminists" than portal notify police and in few hours guy has visit of police

any words against Jews are here almost crime, but if you write "dumb Poles should all be killed" there is no reaction at all,

writing wrong about non-White = racism, but when on FB Black people wrote wrong things about White - zero reaction

visible in Sweden when police refuesed CV from White males, or when profesor of university proposed to not allow native Swedes to study law

 

fair play requires treating people equally (also in payin taxes, also in benefits and social care , there cannot be situation where native has 820 PLN for 3 months and imigrant has 1335+housing for years , when Polish business pay 19% tax in Poland and corporation pays 1% in Luxembourg, or native gets prison for things that non native say "in my religion it is allowed" - on muslim raped 13 years old, all is okay, one movie director had sex with 13 years old, he is hunted for decade by police from 3 states)

we should treat people equally

if i have to take credit in bank for flat - they must too,

if they burn Churches ...

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Acctually, facebook don't work this way. Facebook have teams in every country (or even every language region: Ireland and UK same, Germany, Austria same...) And these teams decide what is hateful.

If you post in facebook in Hungarian "i hate jews" it will be deleted immediately and you will be treaten, next time they delete your profile. But if you post "I want kill all christians. They deserv to shoot them all into Danube" it's OK for facebook (or at least their regional team). I reported lot of anti-christian posts (not just hate, but thretening posts) and the official respond was: "we investigate this post and this is not against our policy".

 

So acctually facebook use double standard. You cannot treaten immigrants or jews, but you can promise terrible death for christians. And this is not conspiration theory, this is what I experienced by discuss with facebook's officials. I hope you are right and in Germany, facebook works better and by single standard.

 

 

And that is exactly the issue at hand here, Facebook is way to lax when it comes to hatespeech of any kind and that is what the german government wants to change.