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You seem to have overlooked the part related to dictatorships. You know, it's not the first time I have this discussion, so I am getting sort of tired of this shit.

So, let me ask again: why aren't you mad at the dictators in your country? You know, because of them you are forced to be with the evil Western Europe. Yet you call that a vote.

Votes are not so easy to rig, so I'm very curious why a vote inside your borders is a vote and outside is dictatorship

 

But you want them.

LOL no, I don't think so.

We want them in the sense that the European Union is for all the countries with at least part of the territory in Europe. We want them like we wanted you, and Sweden, and Spain. But not in this condition. In fact, they are still there; if we wanted them they would be here.

 

Western governments tried to pull Ukraine into the union.

Really? And when did it happen?

 

Only thing that stopped them was strong response from Russia wich scared them. 

Ah yes, another classic. We are scared

So, why weren't we scared when we colonized the rest of Eastern Europe? Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, the Baltic countries, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia. Some of them are even in the euro. That didn't scare us? Ukraine did. Strange.

 

And Turkey is actualy in application process

Yeah. So?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

 

Turkey applied in 1987, and it's still waiting. Even with the stronger bargaining power given to Turkey by the refugee crisis I don't see many chances of Turkey joining anytime soon.

The Czech Republic applied in 1996. It joined the EU in 2004.

 

Care to explain the difference?

 

Also, how about Morocco? Actually, how about all the others? Serbia, Bosnia, Albania...

 

Its a source of Cheap resources and labor

this is really a collection of cliché. So, if we are only interested in the cheap resources (which ones?) and labor, why put the colonies in the EU, giving them, among other things, voting rights? Why not keeping them like Vietnam?

And why do I have to give them my money?

 

market for your own products made from those cheap resources

and what market, if the only money they have is coming from me? Oh wait, maybe I'm interested in actually developing their economies. Doesn't make much sense, does it? When have colonies been used as market?

And why should I care about 10 million people in the Czech Republic when I have 1.2 billion in China? Or India? Or the US?

And what exactly prevents the colonies from actually expanding their economies, maybe building their own companies?

And again, why do I need them in the EU for that? And give my money? I could sell even if they weren't in the EU, like I do in Switzerland.

 

and a buffer between you and more troublesome Countries in the east.   

Same question: why do I need them in the EU? Let them join NATO, and we are done.

 

By the way, do you have evidence for all these accusations? If it is so obvious, why aren't the majority of people in you country or other countries trying to get out? Why are more countries actually trying to get in?

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You seem to have overlooked the part related to dictatorships. You know, it's not the first time I have this discussion, so I am getting sort of tired of this shit.

 

 

 

We should go a little bit back to dictatorship. We can agree that censorship, or the lack of the free press, is quite an indicator of a dictatorship. 

It is well known that multikulti, or, actually its criticism, is a taboo in the "enlightened" west. Even though it was proven COUNTLESS times that it is NOT working. You are not allowed to talk about it, else, if you are lucky you just will be labeled as a pariah, a neo-nazi, (mostly in germany) or if you are unlucky, your life will be ruined by government and/or "antifascist", ultraliberal, pro-multikulti groups. (mostly in sweden) I even heard about cases where the victim was coerced by beating him, and threatening his relatives.

Then answer a question. Is this democratic? Isnt this exactly like the darkest days of the soviet union under Stalin's rule? And you babble about democracy? Look at yourself first, THEN accuse other countries of being dictatures!

 

We want them in the sense that the European Union is for all the countries with at least part of the territory in Europe.

 

 

 

Yes of course. blablabla... Yes, you want them for another exploitable resource! When Yanukovich was still in charge, just at the start of the maidan shit, when the later puppet government was just forming, it was already decided what to privatize, what to sell to the west, and how to destroy local firms that were competitors of the western multinational corporations. I repeat, Yanukovich was still in charge, when the puppet government ALREADY sold the ukrainian land itself to George Soros, and also to Monsanto, to grow cancer-crops to poison europe. Now, more and more people, who supported maidan, begin to realize that they were betrayed by EU, the current govrnement is even more corrupt than the old. 

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Oh, where when i said that less popular parties make coalitions to overvote the polpular ones did i say that it is not dictatorship? Its still Clearly going against will of the people.

lol really? Because the coalition made by the less popular parties can't represent the majority of people? How does it work then? I'm very curious to know more about your voting system.

By the way, How would you define the regime your country was in 30 years ago? Because I seem to notice a few differences between them and now.

 

Read more carefully lad, you may save yourself and me some useles typing.

oh, I'm so sorry. You know, when you wrote the word "overvote" I made the terrible mistake of thinking you were talking about... ehm... a vote. But no, you were talking about an overvote, whatever that means. How stupid of me.

 

Lol really? Do you want me to believe that you do it for the kindness of your hart? Thats bullshit. none does things without hope fore some kind of profit!

Not even Mother Teresa?

No, okay, I don't want to go there. I was just asking.

My profit is coming from the idea of being part of a stronger, bigger community of people who share some common values and some common interests.

It's teaming up with your former enemies, after thousands of years, because you respect them. And together we can kick ass, if we do the right thing.

But I obviously can't expect you, with your vision of dictatorships and colonization, to understand this. Which is the reason why I hope you and your friends leave, together with the Brits.

 

When they supported and mybe orchestrated the maidan revolution thingy maybe?

ah so we orchestrated it. You obviously can't think that the Ukrainians themselves maybe wanted to do it.

 

Because of the lack of Russian Military response that scared you from taking Ukraine.

Oh yes. In fact, Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia signed an agreement with us in 2014. The Russians scared us for good.

Anyway, I have to say that I gave wrong information: Ukraine hasn't even officially applied. Which makes things even more interesting, don't you think? We didn't even try to colonize them, even before the terribly scary Russian military action of 2014. Did we fail our colonization? Even with pro Europe parties at the government?

 

I allready explained it in previous post. Too Stubborn government and Too much cultural difference to be controlled by Brussel. Would you care to read my posts so we dont go in circles?

Oh that was your explanation? Wow

Let's first look at a couple of real colonies, like Ghana and Indonesia. How about the cultural differences with them? You want to compare it with Turkey? I don't think so.

And the current government is indeed stubborn, but the idiot that is currently president started as a prime minister in 2003. His party came to the government in 2002. So there are still 15 years to colonize Turkey.

Or maybe you are saying that all Turkish governments are stubborn? That would be funny.

 

Serbia Bosnia Albania: I live in impression that they are allready being pulled in. The process might be slover now, you have migration crysis, Uncertaininty about what Russians are about, and some difficulties with allready aquired countries wich are not that docile and controlable as was anticipated.

Okay, my posts are getting too long, so let's skip Serbia and Bosnia for the time being. Albania is another interesting case, because it's another country that we started to colonize very late, in 2009. Before then they didn't even apply, how's that? Another failed colonization? We had no problems with Lithuania, which is of comparable size in terms of population, it's right next to Russia (against a few thousands kilometers of Albania), and has the Russians as second minority (only 6%, but it goes up to 52% close to the border). Albania doesn't even have Russians on the list. Hell, Lithuania is even in the euro.

And I see that you again forgot Morocco. Let me help you with that: Morocco's application has been rejected by the EU. We don't even talk to them. Is that another huge cultural difference? Another stubborn government? For the record: Morocco applied in 1987, with a king that stayed in power until 1999. And I don't have the feeling that the current king is so stubborn either

 

Resources: Agricultural products, foodstuffs, cheap skilled labour, whatever you can buy from us much cheaper than you would from country thats not made to feel dependent on you.

Ehm, sorry to say that, but I really don't think we have shortage of food. And if I think of a colony useful for agricultural products the first country that comes to my mind is exactly Ukraine.

 

Voting rights? Money? History teaches us that holding someone at gunpoint doesnt work very well if you want to controll him. So you are just trying Different and i must admit very smart and effective approach, off making him dependent on you.

With voting rights? Wow, that's really smart. They are outsmarting even me, because I really don't get how this approach works. Can you explain it to me?

Just for curiosity: aside from "we do what we want", which is obviously where you want to go, what would it take for you to rethink your dictatorship idea?

 

But the only money is not coming from you, you give some, and you try hard to make it look like it is the only money comming in, but it is not. Most of the money is actualy what the countries make themselves.[/size][/font][/background]

From just kindnes of your hart? Com on!

okay, so let's see if I understand correctly: we want to depress your economy, not helping to develop it, paying lower salaries, and yet selling stuff there.

I think I'm getting a picture of why you guys have problems in developing businesses.

 

When for example Indians were only alowed to buy salt from brits?

possibly your best argument so far, yet maybe a bit misplaced. You are talking about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_salt_tax_in_India

I'm sorry, but I stand by my opinion: making colonies just to take new markets doesn't make whole lot of sense.

 

You kidding? They are too big and strong for you.

Who? The Chinese? No they are not. We are talking about markets, not military, and they have a long way to go. And actually bigger is better, because a bigger market means more money. Why do you think so many companies are so eager to go there? Same applies for India, even if probably with less potential.

The US, well, we have been selling there for decades.

 

But they do.But The ones with potential to becom succesfull are quickly bought by western companies

so why do they sell?

 

or European directives are put in place to make it harder for them to develop.

yeah, sure :rolleyes:. I'm afraid I can't go into details here, but I would gladly see a couple of examples

 

And how would you control them then?

And how do I control them now? We are talking about markets, and you can buy Chinese stuff exactly like us

 

Unfortunately no evidence except what i see around me, what i know from history, Whats in local news, and what am i able to conclude from it all.

in that case you might consider tuning down your crusade a bit, because all you have is a bunch of annoying allegations that can't even convince your own countrymen. And, as I said, it's not the first time for me. It's getting quite irritating.

Maybe you should follow the Brits. What they say still doesn't make much sense (they complain about the Germans invading their market, but they want a free trade agreement if they leave), but at least they don't talk about dictatorships and colonies. They have a bit of a clue.

 

We should go a little bit back to dictatorship. We can agree that censorship, or the lack of the free press, is quite an indicator of a dictatorship.

It is well known that multikulti, or, actually its criticism, is a taboo in the "enlightened" west. Even though it was proven COUNTLESS times that it is NOT working. You are not allowed to talk about it, else, if you are lucky you just will be labeled as a pariah, a neo-nazi, (mostly in germany) or if you are unlucky, your life will be ruined by government and/or "antifascist", ultraliberal, pro-multikulti groups. (mostly in sweden) I even heard about cases where the victim was coerced by beating him, and threatening his relatives.

Then answer a question. Is this democratic? Isnt this exactly like the darkest days of the soviet union under Stalin's rule?

Really? Did you end up in a gulag? Or even in jail? It's very sad to see this expressions coming from people who should know what a dictatorship is.

You know, there is freedom of expression. You have your opinion, I have mine. And mine is that you are a racist. Not my fault if many people agree with me, sorry

 

Yes of course. blablabla... Yes, you want them for another exploitable resource! When Yanukovich was still in charge, just at the start of the maidan shit, when the later puppet government was just forming, it was already decided what to privatize, what to sell to the west, and how to destroy local firms that were competitors of the western multinational corporations. I repeat, Yanukovich was still in charge, when the puppet government ALREADY sold the ukrainian land itself to George Soros, and also to Monsanto, to grow cancer-crops to poison europe. Now, more and more people, who supported maidan, begin to realize that they were betrayed by EU, the current govrnement is even more corrupt than the old.

Dude, Yanukovich has always been with the Russians. And forget Soros, he is not so important.

Crap another huge post. I have to stop arguing with this nonsense, there isn't much I can do anyway.

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Really? Did you end up in a gulag? Or even in jail? It's very sad to see this expressions coming from people who should know what a dictatorship is.

 

You know, in the "dictature", we lived far better than now. Sure, the government didnt let us become rich. However, they let us live a normal life! Unemployment was a thing that people didnt know. People worked 8 hours a day, 5 days/week, in normal pace. Now, we work 10-12 hours, frequently even at weekends, western employers drive and treat us like animals, for very little money. In the commie era, average people could easily buy a new car, or even build a house! Now, average people are glad if they can pay the bills... This frequently lead to suicides, another thing that occured rarely in the past. More and more people here want the old times back!

 

 

 

 And mine is that you are a racist.

 

Hahahahaha! And mine is that you are the typical, blind western pro-multikulti liberal! You libereals are so typical: you back out of the question asked, and instead you divert the topic elsewhere to avoid answering. And when you know you are defeated, you immediately cal the other "racist". How typical...

 

Just dream your sick multikulti dream, until someone wakes you up, shouting Allah Akbar! Then you will realize that those untolerant, racist, nationalist eastern barbarians (Poles, Slovaks, Czech, Hungarians) were right! However, it is likely that it will be too late for you...

Oh, did I mention that Islam is untolerant towards LGBT, BDSM, or anybody who isnt muslim? Also, your women will have to get used to Burqa... But you will figure out in 25-30 years hehehe.

 

 

 

Dude, Yanukovich has always been with the Russians. And forget Soros, he is not so important.

 

Of course he was with russia! Because even though he was a corrupt, power hungry swine, he didnt want his country exploited by the west!

Forget Soros... How naive you are... Just read some less biased (= not liberal) media, and you will know that he is behind every kind of shit going on in europe... Including paying "migrants" to come here. Yes. Not important...

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You know, in the "dictature", we lived far better than now. Sure, the government didnt let us become rich. However, they let us live a normal life! Unemployment was a thing that people didnt know. People worked 8 hours a day, 5 days/week, in normal pace. Now, we work 10-12 hours, frequently even at weekends, western employers drive and treat us like animals, for very little money. In the commie era, average people could easily buy a new car, or even build a house! Now, average people are glad if they can pay the bills... This frequently lead to suicides, another thing that occured rarely in the past. More and more people here want the old times back!

of course, until the moment you are thrown in jail because you don't want the dirty Muslims goat fuckers, or anything else your government doesn't like.

Not to mention what happens to your economy. Margaret Thatcher might have made a couple of mistakes here and there, but she got at least one thing right: the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Try that, enjoying your low unemployment until you turn into another Venezuela.

 

Hahahahaha! And mine is that you are the typical, blind western pro-multikulti liberal! You libereals are so typical: you back out of the question asked, and instead you divert the topic elsewhere to avoid answering. And when you know you are defeated, you immediately cal the other "racist". How typical...

so, by your own standards, you are a dictator.

 

Of course he was with russia! Because even though he was a corrupt, power hungry swine, he didnt want his country exploited by the west!

and he sold to Soros and Monsanto?

 

Forget Soros... How naive you are... Just read some less biased (= not liberal) media

I am subscribed to the Wall Street Journal. Is that enough for you, or I have to start reading the Nazi Weekly?

Or maybe you are talking about the garbage I and someone else already talked about with the people who came here before you. No thanks, you can keep that. I would advise you to start reading the Sun and the Daily Mirror, or the Bild if you speak German. That would be a step forward for you.

 

Soros is not so important. Period.

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of course, until the moment you are thrown in jail because you don't want the dirty Muslims goat fuckers, or anything else your government doesn't like.

Not to mention what happens to your economy. Margaret Thatcher might have made a couple of mistakes here and there, but she got at least one thing right: the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Try that, enjoying your low unemployment until you turn into another Venezuela.

 

 

Venezuela is deliberately being destroyed by the west. CIA is already planning to overthrow the government, and export "democracy"...

Also, funny that you are so big expert of the old regime... I can tell you that you dont know anything about it.

 

 

 

so, by your own standards, you are a dictator.

 

Lol.... :D But you know what? I, and most eastern europeans dont give a shit for what you westerners think about us. At least here we are safe from islamisation. BTW, just look at what happened in USA, little liberal. 

 

 

 

and he sold to Soros and Monsanto?

 

Did you read what I wrote earlier? Not Yanukovich but the pro-western puppet government that was forming when he was still in charge!

 

 

 

I would advise you to start reading the Sun and the Daily Mirror, or the Bild if you speak German.

 

Liberal trash media. No thanks. Full of lies, and propaganda. Tools for brainwashing people, like yourself.

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Venezuela is deliberately being destroyed by the west. CIA is already planning to overthrow the government, and export "democracy"...

ah yes, the good old conspiracy theory. Of course, Venezuela has such a strong economy, how could anyone imagine that they are doing everything by themselves? I mean with so much know how, a very advanced industry, no crime and corruption, very efficient bureaucracy, there can be no other option. It must be the CIA.

 

Okay, let me rephrase: try that, enjoying your low unemployment until you suck so much that you will be destroyed by another terrible conspiracy, like Venezuela.

 

Also, funny that you are so big expert of the old regime...

Never claimed to be one, but when it's about why they fell I think I might have one or two ideas

 

Lol.... :D But you know what? I, and most eastern europeans dont give a shit for what you westerners think about us.

That's good, because I was under the strong impression that you were whining because of the reactions you receive when you show your lovely tolerant attitude.

 

Liberal trash media. No thanks. Full of lies, and propaganda. Tools for brainwashing people, like yourself.

Never said I read any of them, I just said they would be a step forward for you. And they would.

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Yes it is true, and not concerning at all.

 

Those arrested were running a neonazi facebook group and broke a whole set of german laws.

 

Like for example the usage and possesion of forbidden symbols, incitement of racial hatred, inciting to violence and much more.

 

Just because you are on the internet, does not mean that you are outside the law.

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Yes it is true, and not concerning at all.

 

Those arrested were running a neonazi facebook group and broke a whole set of german laws.

 

Like for example the usage and possesion of forbidden symbols, incitement of racial hatred, inciting to violence and much more.

 

Just because you are on the internet, does not mean that you are outside the law.

But they said in court that they were banning neo nazi promotion.  And I understand the nobility in trying to tone down hate speech, I understand having someone removed from a public place but raiding their homes for something said on the internet?

How far does political correctness have to go before it becomes fascist in nature?

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But they said in court that they were banning neo nazi promotion.  And I understand the nobility in trying to tone down hate speech, I understand having someone removed from a public place but raiding their homes for something said on the internet?

If that is your question I think it would be fair to really know what was in those posts, not just one. Having an idea of what the law says might help, too.

It's possible that the investigators have been overzealous, but personally I doubt it.

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Oh yeah, they do raid homes, but I think you imagine this to be more than it really is. What most likely happened is that the police showed up, and took away the PCs as evidence. Those will be returned after the trial. 

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Die Anstalt - German Satirical TV Show

 

Grand Hotel Europe 

European Union and its democratic deficit  (Sept, 06 2016)

 

( Votes from regular citizen and decisions in the EU,

decisions of EU laws by the informal Trialogue, influence by the ERT - European Roundtable of Industrialists)

 

Only in german language so far, maybe there will be subtitles soon.

 

 

 

European Union and its democratic deficits (a part of the whole TV Show):

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Kind of interesting news.

 


MEPs sound alarm on anti-EU propaganda from Russia and Islamist terrorist groups

 

Propaganda pressure on the EU from Russia and Islamist terrorist groups is growing, MEPs warn in a resolution voted on Wednesday. It seeks to distort the truth, incite fear, provoke doubt and divide the EU. To counteract anti-EU campaigns, MEPs suggest reinforcing the EU’s tiny “strategic communication†task force and investing more in awareness raising, education, online and local media, investigative journalism and information literacy.

 

“I was given the task of describing the propaganda of both state and non-state actors. We have seen many transformations of it. As regards the Russian Federation, the situation is now clear. After its annexation of Crimea and aggression in the eastern part of Ukraine, many countries are fully aware of its disinformation and manipulation“, said rapporteur Anna Fotyga (ECR, PL). “This report, in the course of its preparation, was also a target of hostile propagandaâ€, she added.

 

The resolution stresses that the EU needs to counter disinformation campaigns and propaganda from countries, such as Russia, and non-state actors, like Daesh, Al-Qaeda and other violent jihadi terrorist groups.

 

Hostile propaganda against the EU and its member states seeks to distort the truth, provoke doubt, divide the EU and its North American partners, paralyse the decision-making process, discredit the EU institutions and incite fear and uncertainty among EU citizens, says the text.

 

Russia seeks to divide

 

MEPs warn that the Kremlin has stepped up its propaganda against EU since annexing Crimea and waging hybrid war in the Donbass. They note that â€the Russian government is employing a wide range of tools and instruments, such as think tanks [...], multilingual TV stations (e.g. Russia Today), pseudo-news agencies and multimedia services (e.g. Sputnik) [...], social media and internet trolls, to challenge democratic values, divide Europe, gather domestic support and create the perception of failed states in the EU’s eastern neighbourhoodâ€.

The resolution stresses that the “Kremlin is funding political parties and other organisations within the EU†and deplores “Russian backing of anti-EU forces†such as extreme-right parties and populist forces.

 

Daesh targets the EU

 

As the EU and its citizens are major targets of Daesh, MEPs call on EU member states to work more closely to protect society from its recruitment drives and enhance resilience against radicalisation. They also suggest developing a narrative to counter Daesh, “including through the empowerment and increased visibility of mainstream Muslim scholars who have the credibility to delegitimise Daesh propaganda.â€

 

Information literacy

 

To counteract anti-EU campaigns, MEPs suggest investing in awareness raising, education, online and local media, investigative journalism and information literacy, which would empower citizens to analyse media content critically.  It is equally important to adapt communication to specific regions, including access to information in local languages, says the text.

The resolution also suggests deepening EU and NATO cooperation on strategic communication, reinforcing the EU’s 9-strong strategic communication task force and providing more support to boost media resilience in EU neighbourhood countries.

 

The resolution was approved by 304 votes to 179, with 208 abstentions.

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this raport prepared by Fotyga (our politician) was discussed in our press as well , but here it was partly shown in English - report states about USSR/Russian Federation denying others right to self-decide and about radical muslims among EU citizens

 

but it is fact that more and more EU citizens want EU to break , crash and return to soveirgn independent states with borders, but claiming it is due to Russian government is misunderstanding and misinformation too, 

of course Putin hire trolls, just like liberal hired trolls, just like EU hire trolls, just like any big organization - no difference

 

EU seeks desperately "whom to blame for own mistakes" (if those are mistakes) so "let's blame Putin"

"we destroyed house and tenants want to leave, let's blame Putin" 

it is EU politicall correctness that made people to be against EU - not Russia, 

EU would be super organization of states if it was conservative and without politicall correctness and changing traditions, traditional values etc. 

so now EU Parliament seeks "whom to blame that we have islamic danger and terrorism, lets say that people who do not want to be blown off in subway are Russian trolls"  for very simple reason , Putin opposes people like Soros and "NWO", so they seek how to put blame on Putin for what "NWO" does cause people are against all those CETAs, ACTAs, TTIPs, globalization, islamization, terrorism, LGTB forced to others, taking gun laws (EU again try to disarm citizens who have weapons legally)

normal people want to live "like it used to be" - so they are safe, streets are safe, there is social care, there is peace, and suddenly some islamic terrorist comes and beheads people and EU say "bring more of them, do not stop them", so normal people say "i fuck EU, i have enough of EU, i want borders" so EU say "look , Putin's troll" 

no, they are not Kremlin-paid trolls, there are people who want to live in peace (peaceful safe streets, protecting my own property, traditional values without danger , no forced LGTB propaganda etc), 

cooperation of states is great idea, but forcing to take terrorists under your roof is insane and such organization either should stop or should be crushed and we should return to borders guarded by armed personell who shoots anyone crossing border illegally, just like it is insane when teacher in school tell boys to wear skirt due to "gender day" (disgusting , if i was a parent i would oppose if school would told my son to wear woman clothes)

so such EU Parliament resolution is nothing but looking for excuse to blame others (of course Putin made many things we don't like but blaming all on Putin is unfair) 

anti EU movement will be more and more stronger - not because of any Putin , but because of politicall correctness, because of too  much regulations coming from Brussels , because of disarming people (gun directives that want to ban weapons we have) , because someone tells that guy in skirt is woman etc. 

those people who are now against EU would not be against EU if EU was not sticking into morality, if there was no political correctness, 

we are not against border-less tourism, we are not against lack of custom duty, we are not against technical standards (like 230 V, USB, technical directives on machines, electromagnetic directives etc) 

 

this raport shows one thing - despite Brexit, despite rising LePen and company - EU establishment do not seek fault in themselves , they deny they make mistakes, they deny logic , they do not learn on mistakes , 

EU will be breaking apart or we gonna have civil war inside EU - if EU want to force all "nwo" regulations + incoming armies of islamic radicals (which are steered by people like George Soros) 

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--> UK Government wants to penalize uncoverings by Journalists: Whistleblowing

 

 

Government advisers accused of 'full-frontal attack' on whistleblowers (The Guardian - 2017, Feb. 12)

Outcry follows plans to radically increase prison terms for revealing state secrets and to prosecute journalists

 

Draft recommendations from the legal advisers say the maximum prison sentence for leakers should be raised, potentially from two to 14 years, and the definition of espionage should be expanded to include obtaining sensitive information, as well as passing it on.

 

A spokesperson said: “The proposals to threaten journalists and whistleblowers with draconian punishment, combined with powers just introduced in the [2016] Investigatory Powers Act to surveil journalists without their knowledge, represent a further attack on freedom of expression.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/12/uk-government-accused-full-frontal-attack-prison-whistleblowers-media-journalists

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UK Government wants to penalize uncoverings by Journalists: Whistleblowing

 

Year 1984 upcoming, shame that people on the west do not see it 

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I was actually there with my girlfriend a few weeks ago. It´s sad to see a place you remember so fondly to experience something like this :(

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I'm going to London quite often, quite easy to go there from Paris, having crossed that bridge numerous times. Terror attacks will never change my way of living.

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On 02/05/2017 at 9:43 AM, radioheadmemes said:

"I talked to people who had seen multiple terrorist attacks."

 

Bunch of Fake as usual - plus the guy has very tiny hands

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