European Politics Thread.

[GRS 10]

Trying to solve problems by ignoring them?

Sounds familiar.:(

[tonygrunt 10]

Greece is using censorship to cover up the miserable state of the country.

It´s in german but google translator will help

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/38/38543/1.html

It is now forbidden to show pictures of poor people on TV.

Trying to solve problems by ignoring them?

So you are against this suggestion with no mention of a fine or otherwise penalty to the media:

Do not show a picture of a) persons/faces* who are in a state of social

poverty or misery without express or implied consent from them, and b) persons/faces*

driven before the judicial or prosecutorial or police or other

authorities without express or implied consent from them.

*this is a bit unclear if it means the whole person or just the face.

Media can show as many poor people they want, they just have to get their approval first.

Also I would think not having your face automatically paraded in media cause you got arrested or accused for something is a good thing or do you suggest otherwise? If they still want to show their faces in media, I'm sure they will oblige them.

And right now this doesn't seem like media blackout but protection of personal privacy with no mention of a fine or otherwise penalty to the media if this suggestion is not followed.

I know it's really cool these days to hate Greece but at least try not to trust the media so blindly, do a little search first.

Media outlets try to sell viewership and Greece hating is still trending (these forums included as I witness), so expect some filler bullshit episodes.

Personally I really like all the horse meat stories right now. :)

[vilas 473]

Sounds familiar.:(

yes, it is in all EU,

when we have problems we do not talk about them and not let talk about them and make "smoke screen" things in press like "famous actor married famous singer"

[Mr. Charles 22]

And now a more positive post in this thread ;)

I really like the new 5€ bills! They feel much sturdier than the old ones :)

http://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/banknotes/europa/html/index.en.html

[vilas 473]

positive ?

than i something ...

- because of "crisis" (or to say better, greed of banksters) we have to pay 5 PLN (1.20 Euro) for taking money from bank-machine (wall-pay ? bankomat) , usage of cash-machine cost 5 PLN per transaction for most of us in Poland since some time :/

- one parliament member took bribe for "help" in obtaining state decision, it was filmed by secret agents of anti-corruption police, they were playing businesmen, they gave bribe and ... court found their action illegal, woman was let free and ... she might get get compensation for being arested etc. etc. "only in Poland" - you take bribe, you are free and get compensation, movie records were shown in television by this anti-corruption police, all countrymen seen woman taking bribe , only judge not seen this, o my good

if there will be no revolution here, i do not know in what shit we will get deeper , maybe legalisation of feudalism again ?

our Europe is no longer great place to live as it was in past comparing to rest of the world

Edited May 7, 2013 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

On a related Note:

The Deutsche Bahn has problems with the new 5€ Bill because most of their ticket machines still don´t recognize it.

[sudayev 27]

Meanwhile while Germany has big problems with their 5 euro ticket machines the socialist Baphomet of Brussels has plans to create a supercountry - United Europe. Politicians have already started pimping their people for benefits coming from Brussels.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10041817/Federal-Europe-will-be-a-reality-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

[Prydain 1]

All this anti-EU talk makes me so very sad.

The EU as an idea is good, in practice we need to reform the commission, empower the parliament and start voting for it to be efficient and useful.

The idea that there will be an EUSSR is a reactionary point of view. Its like a British person in 1800 saying that they don't want a parliament because it is rule by the tyranny of a landowner's club - yes it is, until you reform it.

[GRS 10]

A lot of things are good as an idea....

[vilas 473]

for me it is scarry, i want tradition, culture, nation, not USSR BIS, when people voted here, they were told that EU is nothing more just custom union, it was lie, it is not just custom free zone , it is sticking nose in all areas

[Tonci87 163]

The EU is actually really a good idea. Sadly that idea ended up beeing a totally overblown and untransparent bureucracy. And yes, I also think that they are the "new soviet union". Just look at what they actually do.

[wipman 1]

For me the EU is not U, where's the union..!?, germeny rules as it's stronger piece while the rest of the countrys remain in silence sucking up what they "offer", no one has proppossed to advance into a true EU, where the countrys be something like provinces; if you tell the people to loose the soverany of what has "been being their territory" until now... what you think that they gonna say!? what would happen, with the leader that propposse this?!, what would our kings will say about it?!; is a very hard task.

It's a very hard task to convince everyone else in the union, that the frenchs aren't all faggots, that "not all the germens are nazis..!", not all the spanish are lazys, not all the spag.. ITAlians are from the mafia, not all the rumanians are thiefs... how do you convince so many towbfolks, that this, isn't the reality?. That's the big problem, how do you convince so many ppl that their prejudices are not the truth?, and that we'll be better working all together instead fighting for and because things that are not the scientific thruth!?; is great to have an NME when you need it or think that you need it, is someone ot something where overturn your angryness over. How do you fight that (in mass, not on your personal circle) to begin to build a solid and strong European Union?.

[scrim 1]

Pretty much that.

The fact that they not even a few months ago tried voting through a rule that would allow the elected country representatives to vote anonomously, i.e. not disclosing to the people who elected them what they voted for whilst representing them, is just one of the many indications to what the EU is really starting to become. Or the Euro vote in Ireland, which was held twice because the No vote won the first time around.

Seriously, why should I not emigrate to the States? At best regarding the EU, I'll get the same deal over there, but without having my congressmen attempting to hide how they vote from me. All the EU is is France and Germany understanding that there's no use fighting each other due to American influence, and thus it would be easier to conquer and share Europe between them via this backdoor diplomacy nonsense.

[vilas 473]

for example majority of Poles are against Euro, but our gov. says there will be no referendum

if EU will go this way, i suppose some civil wars may happen cause many people will not agree to have "one gov. in Brussels" and "all decisions far away from here"

our grandfathers also died for national symbols, i cannot imagine washing it , i would rather take a rifle and fight for sovereignty than allow to "over national goverment" and all this NWO , it is no longer democracy, cause democracy is will of majority, will of nation, not will of minority and from outside , cause why the hell some guy from Brussels would decide what i can plant if i was farmer, how should i live (they what ? forbid Christmas due to Muslims? in some west countries they demand forbidding our tradition), what kind of food i can eat (for example EU commission says our traditional food is not good cause rotten cucumber is bad, while i love rotten cucumbers , it is our traditional way of making sour cucumbers or for example they will say that pedophilia is okay, while in past we were killing pedophiles , if someone hurts child for he is not a human, i have seen initiatives from The Netherland to legalize pedophilia, while for us it is one of biggest crimes ever)

whole my family vote NO to EU in 2004, and now many people here are seeing EU only as emigration place because of work, but not cultural escape,

i cannot imagine living in the "one EUSSR" country without having "my own symbols" for which grandfathers died or killed in 1914, 1920, 1939 ...

EU was told to be:

- customs free zone,

- border free zone to move and buy things,

nothing more , and those 2 things were promissed in 2004 when voting was here, noone then told people "you gonna get orders from Brussels and EU commisions"

my girl is farmer, she has 16 ha. of land, she has seeds, pigs , EU told her to remove chickens and cows ? wtf ????

Polish fishermen were told not to fish ??? wtf ???

how can any-f*-one in Brussel tell my girl how many cows she can have on her farm ? it is her land and her law should be on her land, not EU law and not "production limits given for country" ?

wtf , someone tells fisherman from Poland "you cannot fish any longer cause EU commision decided that German fisherman has boat and you not" ?

now guys in Brussels would decide about closing factory in town in my country ? EU benefits money are given in Brussels, i do not understand why someone who not lives in actual place decide about this place ,

it is impossible to connect 25 countries or 27 countries without big conflicts, cause noone in Germany would be happy in our thieves would come to his house to burgle it just like i would not be happy to see Bulgarian saying to my boss "hi, i can do it twice cheaper"

Edited May 9, 2013 by vilas

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

As well as all this^

The EU is where everyone sends all their failed politicians.

The un-electable, the gravy-train mob, those forced out of office through scandal / financial / sexual / marital problems - they all find a home at the EU because their careers have stalled at home.

WTF! Now this mob want moar power over the elected officials in the member states?

Never in human history have we had so many layers of government, achieving so little at such great expense!

While I think some form of economic union is valid and acceptable, it's gone too far.

This overgrown EU needs a chainsaw.

Far too many departments, too many people looking busy, too much interference, too much micro-managment of Nation State affairs.

[THX-1338 10]

At the all, usually, nothing bad in the union, but only if all countries have one common aim. Or one big enemy...

In the EU case, we all see, that Germany , France and UK can to agree with each other on main problems,besides, if we combine all countries in the big common Federation , we must answer on question : who will be a leader? Too many differenced between the countries, we must wait sometime before this big step.

[Tonci87 163]

They also spend a ridiculous amount of cash on compeltely stupid things.

I know that the EU had a initiative to make a website about cats. Yes, a whole website dedicated to domestic cats. Why not you would say? Well how much does it cost to make a website? 1000-2000€ if you pay someone to do it. They wanted to invest 10 times that (Sorry I don´t rremember the exact numbers). If some EU politician has a love for animals then he should pay that out of his own pocket and not with tax money. And this is just one example. The EU is a money eating moloch.

[sudayev 27]

In 2003 we had the eu accession voting and I was a member of local election commission. I saw a lot of older people (experienced by the ww2 and stalinism) speaking openly: we will vote for yes, for lads like you (I was 19 yo) so you can travel freely, educate, work wherever you want in Europe, but don't be surprised when someday history will repeat itself when other poeple will come telling you what to do. While some of them were even more radical - hell no, I don't want politicians from other countries telling me what to do, what to think and what flag I should wave, I've had enough of this crap in the past years.

I was like: woot are these old dudes are talking about and why they are so anti (I was young and unaware)? Now I keep seeing how our mostly spineless politicians enforce without any hesitation every fucking bill, advice and dictate that comes from the EU. Eurosocialistic father of Brussels knows what's best for you and you can't do anything about it.

Thats the big picture - politicians are pimping their own folk for benefits, for example... In building where I live, we have a disposal chute and we pay 5pln ~ 1.15 euro for waste disposal. From August on - the disposal chute will be closed for good and we will have to segregate thrash very carefully 50 meters outside the building in a big friggin dumpster shared with other three buildings. Moreover, despite segregation and this eco bull waste disposal fee will raise from 5pln to 50pln per family - this is 10 times more while wages are stuck on the same level since 10 years! I didn't asked for this goddammit.

It's the EU who wanted it, politicians agreed, some of them will receive rewards and high ranking jobs in Brussels afterwards, for enforcing yet another wallet drainer. It's the beginning, more wallet drainers are on the way.

Now Brussels has something against Polish energetic sector. It's based on coal, Arabs has the oil and we got the coal, ok. Some officials from the EU don't like the energy from coal: it's too archaic, dirty. Poland will have to invest more money into renewable energetic resources - solar energy to be exact. Currently we produce 2% of solar energy but in 2020 they want Poland to increase the production to 20%. Who will have to pay for it? Of course, citizens! Even all those soft politicians are aware of this horrendous fees related with this lovely green energy that is why they initiated some plans to construct a nuclear power plant but that's just a mockery for the people, and green energy will be introduced at the expense of citizens.

When I go back to all those old people I heard back in 2003, I'm no longer surprised, I know they spoke from the experience. The history is repacked in a new shiny wrap and slowly repeats itself.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Sudayev

[vilas 473]

They also spend a ridiculous amount of cash on compeltely stupid things.

I know that the EU had a initiative to make a website about cats. Yes, a whole website dedicated to domestic cats. Why not you would say? Well how much does it cost to make a website? 1000-2000€ if you pay someone to do it. They wanted to invest 10 times that (Sorry I don´t rremember the exact numbers). If some EU politician has a love for animals then he should pay that out of his own pocket and not with tax money. And this is just one example. The EU is a money eating moloch.

yes, world of cats . pl or something like this in Poland

they invested 670 000 PLN which is /4 something like 170 000 euro for website (this is money i earn in 24 years of work after taxation)

http://antyweb.pl/swiat-kotow-z-8-1-przykladem-bezmyslnosc-krytykujacych/

http://www.wykop.pl/ramka/797059/pamietacie-afere-z-dotacja-dla-swiatkotow-pl-dzis-ma-ruszyc-wlasciwa-strona/

source is in Polish language, it happened in my country, EU donated website about cats for nearly 200 thousands euro !!!!!!!

http://swiatkotow.pl/swiat-kotow/

for this money i could have 3 small flats or 2 big flats in city center :(

my friend is webmaster so i know that he could do this website 200 times cheaper

Edited May 9, 2013 by vilas

[wipman 1]

Eurosocialistic father of Brussels

I don't know how you'd get to that conclussion, IMO is the oppossite; the EU is on the hands of Neo-Cons, "Ronald Reagan's style..." most of the EU countrys have right wing presidents, not dirty socialists... (that aren't "that socialists...", if you ask me...) the Neo-Cons have 'em all something in common, they weaken the public sector at the expense of the citizens for venefit the private sector; where their friends are and where they gonna go once they leave the public sector, to proffit.

Look at NY... they don't have public trash services, each building pay to a private company to get their trash taken each 3 days; instead have a (less expensive) public service that takes the trash each day. On my country this is begins to happen, and after three years or so... the trash service has increase it's price an 83% and when they had their trash picked up each day... now they have it taken each 3 days during the hot months and each 5 by the cold months. The citizen pay unable to change the thing and without complain very much while who rule there makes a favour to their friends and their friends greet 'em back; you pay their party, we!, pay their party.

This is a typical Neo-Con way of think/work, change the feudal system from the hands of kings and elected govt into the hands or private companys and persons that you didn't vote for; but they're the beneficiarys of this "new system".

[vilas 473]

calling socialists people who rule is mistake,

socialist care about people, socialist want to push money to poor to help them,

they are not socialists, they are pushing money to banksters and to themselves, it is not socialism

it is thiev-ism/thief-ism Sudayev ;)

socialism we had before 1989 and even general was living in block of flats among usual countrymen, now officers have villa, lawyers have villa, we have "rich" ghettos surrounded by high walls and security, while rest suffer from banks credits, it is began of feudalism , not socialism at all

Sudayev if they were socialists we would have build flats to live in and have families,

liberalism = low taxes, low social, state do not cares about you, care about yourself if you are strong,

socialism = high taxes, big social , state cares about you,

thievism = high taxes, low social, state cares about : politicians, beaurocracy, army, banksters

just like it is no democracy, democracy = will of people , will of majority, not will of minority (look at gay marriages, 90% against it, but state pushes such law, it is not democracy)

[kernriver 4]

Croatia is, unfortunately, entering EU on 01.07.2013. I do not aprove, to put it mildly.

When there was a referendum on entering EU, the results were that every city or town in Croatia voted ~60:40% in favor of EU.

I think that's statistically impossible. It was a fucking scam.

In Croatian constitution it says that we will never again form a union of any sort with Balkan nations. But what do you know, our idiotic politicians are instead pushing us into a union which has 50 times more bureaucracy than Yugoslavia ever had, and where we will be just a colony.

In 1990. Croatia was economic giant compared to now. In 20 years we sold our banks (how stupid/greedy can you be to do that?), our best firms were being sold to "bussinesmen" of questionable morality for 1 (one) dollar, which they of course later sold for millions. It was called privatization. Privatization my ass, it was a daylight robbery.

I didn't fight in a war to be a slave, I did it for our freedom. Words can't describe how bitter I am.

[vilas 473]

when it comes to Euro currency, majority of people are against and primeminister said there will be no referendum at all,

you didn't fought to be a slave, my grandfathers also, they fought for national independent country, just like parents now are feeling sick that they fought in Solidarity movement for better labor rights and against USSR (union with)

just like in other countries, all fought for independent national countries, not for "one non national government over our heads"

we will never accept "over-national" governments "1000 miles away" when smaller nations are not important and only UK, France, Germany will have power to push their economical decisions , one state Europa will never work , sooner or latter we will have civil war , btw. how they imagine such country with different legal systems ? in one country you can buy a gun in other you can't ? in one country you are "married" in other "not", in one country you get 3 months for rape in other 12 years etc. etc. etc.

and privatisation you described were the same in all post "commie" blog, our banks, industry was also sold "for 1 dollar" to western companies which taken it

in 1950s our grandfathers were building companies, manufactures, plants, now they sell it for cheap price to west companies and they say it is private, while it was build by nation during socialism

[mrcash2009 0]

I do like a bit of 'Farage' in the mornings :) :

Nigel Farage: “This EU is the New Communism. It is Power without Limits.â€

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Its no wonder that in the Uk parties are trawling social media to smear members (Yep social networking *engineering*, the database to mine when it counts). Cant say im on board fully with UKIP esp the recent merge talks or Thatcher references. But I do like to see someone sat in the lions den flipping the finger in a very diplomatic way.

Edited May 10, 2013 by mrcash2009

[sudayev 27]

That's just a mockery they call themselves conservatives etc but underneath it all there's a socialist heart beating in disguise and it doesn't make any difference who they are - they speak one language - FATHER KNOWS BEST and this domain is characteristic to only one type of political thinking. Actually there are only two eurosceptic and conservative parties: ECR & EFD. Rest of the parliament identifies with liberals, federalism, socialists, greens.

I'm sick of these slogans they tell and push everyday: green power, homosexual propaganda, muslim tolerance, one union, food regulations, gmo enforcing, internet censoring, one constitution, euro way thinking.

We had a Flag Day on 2nd may in Poland, a day when the national flag is observed, I saw next to our flag there were many these blue pseudo-country flags of the EU. Such a shame, to see this. One one hand officials celebrate the flag and Polish independence while on the other flag they are happy to mount the blue flag belonging to the entity that reduces Poland's sovereignty in making decisions, intervenes in country's politics and affairs and tells us what to do first, not to mention it's overblown bureaucracy paid by every taxpayer.