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Lol oh it's being expanded into another conspiracy theory.

Yet again we wonder into an irrational fantasy land full of big brother nonsense. Sorry haven't got the time for the usual trolling from the same people.

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Lol oh it's being expanded into another conspiracy theory. Yet again we wonder into an irrational fantasy land full of big brother nonsense.

Oh dear not this shit again :j:

Sorry haven't got the time for the usual trolling from the same people.

Cheap shot, no need. Article raises a point and this also is within the context of Europe, think its interesting, and others may want to check further around such a subject matter, we all travel and will need to do so in the future, we all see things differently.

Hint: Select those "same people", go into your profile & press the ignore button, can save you some energy and get that personal time needed back again.

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Problems come like all tech when the issue its brought in for is then extended once in place. For example it doesn't take much of a stretch to include in such tech as all the facial recognition features which are slowly being woven into a lot of purchasing ideas of late already (see facebook linking for one). There is also the open debate of scanning and xray with radiation levels and permanent scanning (more regular than normal with travelling), there is also the side of "virtual strip search" tech and privacy ... there is in fact plenty of problems or side issues with it. Plus the fact that when and if and how it comes into place will it then get extended into ... shopping center entraces? Anywhere (hand helds) if you simply want to scan for weapons in public areas.

Whether you welcome it, or question it, its still not so cut & dried as safety only.

The next decade for the youngters using basic transport will have fun then.

Your imagination is running away with you Cash, if you read the document outlining the research proposal it states:

The Home Office Centre for Applied Science & Technology (CAST) is currently engaged in a project to investigate the potential for high throughput screening in the London Underground and National Rail (LUNR) environment.

Nothing more but already, as usual, you are imagining all sorts of other scenarios without the slightest evidence. No methods have yet been outlined, no contracts awarded, no working hardware built. It's simply asking for ideas and will award contracts to research the technology if manufacturers can come up with something concrete in their proposals. Put the tin foil hat back in it's box and wait till there is actually something to discuss.

At present you are simply arguing against scientific research which is of course a bit silly. You have been stung by a headline designed to provoke a response. Airport style screening is not actually mentioned in the proposal as it couldn't possibly work given the numbers of passengers involved, a method and suitable hardware doesn't exist yet, hence the research proposal. One of the main criteria is that passengers must not face a greater delay passing through the station than they presently do.......i.e. no Airport style security control.

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Everyone in his right mind should be arguing against scientific research of that nature.

Hands up who thinks that's a smart thing for them to be researching?

So either that research is going to be a total waste of money, or it's not.

Either way the researchers and the persons who commisioned the research need to be punished.

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Nothing more but already, as usual, your are imagining all sorts of other scenarios without the slightest evidence.

Current scanning tech does not xray? Current scanning tech is not a naked scan? Current database and facial recognition does not exist or can be interlinked (shopping Facebook databases and cross linking)? Privacy isnt and never is an issue with current scanning tech already in place and all is well? What kind of evidence are you actually referring too?

The proposal simply states they are looking into it and and some stage in the future once they have the best "ideas and will award contracts to research the technology if manufacturers can come up with something concrete in their proposals."

Sorry if you cant forsee any kind of linking to what the proposals will end up being (you are really suggesting that the tech does not exist yet at all!?). What else do you think they are going to come up with? A terrorist only attack robot that shoots fluffy puppies if you smile?

The gauntlet has been thrown down for the contracts and its simply about the best way to implement in that scenario given time, nothing at all to do with non invented tech or theories or anything else, the end result is exactly the what the proposals outcome will be, no "fantasy" what so ever and still points to the articles end result and point.

Its simple, they will find the best and fasted tech for recognition software along with updated scanning tech that is more portable and easier to implement in walking areas that has the software and speed to handle it (yet to find I would imagine), just a faster and better way to scan more people, it would still have to scan similar to airport scanners to see through clothing, and still comes back to the round about points I made.

Once this is then tested, it will then be "rolled out" like the rest, and you dont think that it wouldn't be rolled out to more 'public areas' once the right package is produced to meet that initial proposal? If you think that, your blind as a bat.

So either that research is going to be a total waste of money

Good point, when money is not an object & is classed as worthy when we do have far better things to spend it on, you know whats coming :)

Sorry haven't got the time for the usual trolling from the same people.

You still have time for us it seems, how strange.

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You still have time for us it seems, how strange.

Managed to find some time lol but as you are still ranting incoherently and ignoring the latest R&D which completely nullifies the hazards and privacy issues that concern you about current technology (5min search, you will find it), I guess I'll leave it there. PS future scanners will most likely be passive and not have operators so no need to worry about anyone discovering this:

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you are still ranting incoherently

Text in a forum?

PS future scanners will most likely be passive and not have operators

And wont be linked to databases and distant operators, and storage, and data-mining and linking and xrays still and virtual strip search tech, and wont be expanded upon once installed into a grid type system, and will never extend to other areas in public domain?

You love your official source documents, they will tell you everything you need to know about how everything is good for you, rainbows and puppies, enjoy you smart tech (phones,TV's in the home, meters etc & permanent online Wifi ranges), facial recognition, voice recognition, online database (facebook but one) tech link apps, scanning tech, strip search tech, xray tech, licence reading tech, behaviour scanning tech, online digital source to purchasing data, dvla data (they love to share), Census data, 3rd party sharing of data (SOPA, SOCA ... the rehashes continue), and its completely isolated instance of each that would never be linked becuase none of it is feeding back online in the digital domain at a level playing field and wont ever be used directly with scanning tech in public areas that are proposed (once installed in its inital state) so we can be safe.

Read the official documents, its says so, none of it will or will ever possibly be used in such a way in the future, tis' but mear rantings of pee brains.

If you thought that underwear bomber = xray scanners globally = inconvenience = need something less inconvenient = more of the same for more areas and more people = good its not inconvenient any more and less intrusive (psychologically) + safe (weapons drugs & bad humans live somewhere before they travel), then its a shame.

I guess I'll leave it there.

A big favour to ask I know.

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Your blind trust in authorities and laws is really amazing and I gonna leave it by that.

its so easy to think/precept that way, when you belong to their/gov't international counterpart/successor, i suppose.

point is, perception as well as living values/preferences can had different sources, from childhood/family 2 own experience. both of which, unlikely, was different for different individuals[as rest of their lifes/existence, obviously].

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its so easy to think/precept that way, when you belong to their/gov't international counterpart/successor, i suppose.

point is, perception as well as living values/preferences can had different sources, from childhood/family 2 own experience. both of which, unlikely, was different for different individuals[as rest of their lifes/existence, obviously].

yes, people who have (most time) economical interest in "whats going one" defend their status quo very much, simple example: lawyers vs . clear law, lawyer will always defend vague ambiguous regulations, cause than he can earn money thanx/due to such regulations (which makes problems to rest of citizens) ,

when man has profits , other men have problems etc.

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Today, the Czech Republic's government declared prohibition on every alcoholid beverage containing more than 20% of alchohol. The prohibition came into effect imediately after it's declaration. The prohibition was declared after several people died because they were poissoned(?) by methanol contained in some, unspecified alcohol bottles.

source (in czech language):

http://www.novinky.cz/domaci/278796-vlada-vyhlasila-prohibici-tvrdy-alkohol-se-uz-nesmi-prodavat-nikde.html

Edited by Derk Yall

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Today, the Czech Republic's government declared prohibition on every alcoholid beverage containing more than 20% of alchohol. The prohibition came into effect imediately after it's declaration. The prohibition was declared after several people died because they were poissoned(?) by methanol contained in some, unspecified alcohol bottles.

source (in czech language):

http://www.novinky.cz/domaci/278796-vlada-vyhlasila-prohibici-tvrdy-alkohol-se-uz-nesmi-prodavat-nikde.html

LOL! Good luck trying to stop the Czechs from drinking spirits!

People will simply make their own.

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it is issue in methanol , so falsified poisoning alcohol, they must first take out all strong alco from market, cause lots of falsified alco is on market in PL too, some poeople died,

it is not issue in alcohol, but big number of poisoning alcohol entered marked , methanol inside

so now also in Poland we must be aware buying bottle of foreign alcohol cause it may be falsified and poisoning

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it is issue in methanol , so falsified poisoning alcohol, they must first take out all strong alco from market, cause lots of falsified alco is on market in PL too, some poeople died,

it is not issue in alcohol, but big number of poisoning alcohol entered marked , methanol inside

so now also in Poland we must be aware buying bottle of foreign alcohol cause it may be falsified and poisoning

The contamination of alcohol in this manner is a very serious issue and can result in permanent damage to the central nervous system. There seems to be much involvement from gangs of organised criminals producing fake drinks with alcohol distilled in backstreet warehouses. I hope all those affected including vilas recover soon.

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yes, gangs falsify strong alco cause it is the most expensive by bottle, so it give best profit

noone will found printer to print false stamps of bottle worth 1 USD, but for 30 USD worth bottle it is profitable to print labels etc.

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Pffft lightweights. *knocking back Poitín*

Destroys your brain cells and increases the risk of oesophageal cancer several fold, cheers, bottoms up, skol lol. Friends father used to boast about drinking Poitin and had a liking for neat whisky and vodka most of his life, now has oesophageal cancer, spread to liver and guess he will not be with us much longer, 55 is not really old is it?

@Slatts - fully aware it was a joke but still think the point needs to be made about that stuff, too many people still drink it.

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Destroys your brain cells and increases the risk of oesophageal cancer several fold, cheers, bottoms up, skol lol. Friends father used to boast about drinking Poitin and had a liking for neat whisky and vodka most of his life, now has oesophageal cancer, spread to liver and guess he will not be with us much longer, 55 is not really old is it?

this time i agree with Pelham, strong alcohol + for example obesity(fat weight) leads to high blood tension, which in consequence degrades iq of such people (fat, drinking, hi tension combination destroys "grey" of brain)

strong alcohols destroy people's brains after some decades people turn into ...

many people drinking alcohols die 50/60 i know a lot of examples in my country people who died 55, 56 etc. because of liver

my friends from job son is dying at age of 25/30 because of liver (due to vodka)

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Yeeeaaah...I have to point out the obvious to Pelham (and maybe draw a blue line between us :p ). It was a joke. We constantly get told the dangers of heavy/excessive drinking so anything you've said is nothing new.

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strong alcohols destroy people's brains after some decades people turn into ...

brain atrophy can appear after 10 years of drinking. you can damage your peripherical nerve in several years of consumation.

the quantity make the poison.

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The prohibition was reduced and we have "news" once again from the Czech Republic. Today there was an "assassination" atemp on the life of president Václav Klaus. A men wearing camo military cloth shot him several time from an airsoft gun. The men was arrested after he walked 70 meters away from the president and the people of the Czech Republic are asking, for what are the president's bodyguards payd for.

One article in czech language:

http://www.novinky.cz/domaci/280015-muz-zblizka-vystrelil-na-klause-z-plastove-pistole-prezident-odjel-do-nemocnice.html

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after he walked 70 meters away from the president and the people of the Czech Republic are asking, for what are the president's bodyguards payd for.

maybe in Czech it is like in Poland "you will be policeman, judge, prosecutor, advocate, officer if your father , uncle was" ?

maybe "it is not important what you know but important who you know"

in Poland nepothism level is very big, it is specially visible in budget-state jobs (private owner can do what he wants, his company, his loss if he hires worst specialists only due to family connections) but state jobs... should be transparent

maybe the same is in Czech ?

for things like that chief of guards and several officers should lost job without right to pension/retired "in ideal country"

or maybe it was provocation from the inside cause one of guys from special services wanted to proove hole in system ?

in 70s our elite forces were trained following way - they had to "assasinate" (fictionaly) one high ranked party member, for example by getting into minister's office and taking him picture by camera (which was symbol of him being shot) of course they had to cross Militia security ,

that or other way - it means that some people do job that they should not do

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It just happened today and there is no much of information as we speak. The specific detail will be revealed in few hours or days. So if it was a work of a fool or a action done by BIS (BezpeÄností InformaÄní Služba = Security Infromation Service), we dont know.

But you are right, there are many people in offices just because they have family relations. In most case it's a relation to a politician. Like in one recent case a judge, sent a common man to prison just because he draw "aliens antena" on a billboard with a face of politician on it (maybe it is worth mentioning, that the politician was her husband...) and months later she released from custody a politician who killed someone in a car accident.

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a judge, sent a common man to prison just because he draw "aliens antena" on a billboard with a face of politician on it (maybe it is worth mentioning, that the politician was her husband...) and months later she released from custody a politician who killed someone in a car accident.

sounds like Poland

but it is due to not ending with commies (as far as some people my bu surprised with those words, i explained it once upon a time, some people on the west do not see difference between being commie or red-noble and being socialist, i believe in socialist things as helping people who are poor , disabled, weak, i am for equality to education i do not belive in red-nobles)

it is in our all ex-commie countries,

several families that set to highest positions in countries in late 40s, also 50s, made such law and such regulations, that they build system in which it is hard to get inside without being away from born in their families,

they made something , which revolution in 1917 fought with, they made cast, a noble-like cast, cast of family inherited jobs ,

i call it equality of chances, Americans call it free market,

i mean competition, if someone is better than me, he gets job , if i am better, i get job,

how it looks in our countries ?

"who is your father" , people with poor education, poor skills, no-language skills, are set on higher position in state-jobs, they are directors, they are managers,

people with higher skills, education, whatever cannot break this wall , some emigrate to UK and there start career

uniform-jobs is my biggest pain in the... you know , cause i started 3 times and every time i failed due to lack of connections,

and my friends too , and effect is the same, in Poland we call it BMW, Bierny Mierny ale Wierny , passive, poor skilled but obeying , as we say "on knees kissing boss's ass"

Toadi from Gummi bears cartoon ;)

such people are taken to jobs, but bosses are always "have uncle, have father"

thats why in many of our countries we have significant faults of uniform and not uniform state services,

if you have service made of passive people lead by idiot how can it work good ?

in the west officers are people who were the best in military , right ?

in our countries most of officers, directors, heads of dept. are people who simply had family connections

they are not used to work hard, they used that "uncle will arrange it" (and uncle was past regime ass licker)

i don't know how big scale is in Czech republic, but in Poland it is very big scale ,

my cousin in 1995/1999 as i remember was mobed in army for simple reason - he knew English language and he knew IT,

this time (late 90s) most of officers were fat guys who only speak Russian, PC is for them black magic, and he was better than them,

they were colonels, majors, he was leutnant, he couldn't be promoted, he quit army and earn big money being IT guy in private company,

they afraid him and they were abusing him as much as they could, he had enough

i know at least 3 people who quit police for similar reasons

i also was rejected although i passed tests with very high point results, they required "at least 40 on 100" i get "82 for 100" , so they arranged meeting with psychologist an she made test and ... according to the test i am addicted to alcohol and i cannot be policeman, also they told i am not enough assertive,

you can call me bigot, you can call me not tolerant, you can call me stubborn, you can call me rude, but for f*** sake i don't touch neither beer nor vodka cause my family members died due to drinking and i hate drinks, drunkards and such like, but ... they called me alcoholic, just like people who had arguments with me know how not-assertive i am in defending my beliefes :/

my other friend was rejected as "not sensitive on human suffering" - guess what - he is volunteer in Catholic Church charity service which helps orphans, so how they hell he is not sensitive to human suffering ?

the same time lad from my street get to police, guy was earlier hooligan, thief, agressive teenager with lack of university degree and etc. but .. his uncle was officer, later he took bribe and he was sentenced to jail , but.. he passed those tests which many of my friend couldn't pass for 2-3 times,

when my mother was activist of Solidarity in 1980, his uncle was baton-ing/beating people as Militia officer and his grandfather was in Militia in 50s (Stalin era)

he was for "sure" (irony) not drinking and sensitive for human suffering, yea... like hell

other my friend also was rejected few times, one year he was "too passive, not enough assertive" another test he was "too independent, to assertive", another time he was "too passive" and next time he was "too independent" to serve country, so he works for private company,

so if it looks following in Czech Rep., it causes problems,

in uniform job, the best should be taken, not "the relatives" - otherwise we again go to era of feudalism and cast-like society in which cast-cases are dismissed if someone from outside sue someone from inside (my own case where i cannot put to justice burglar who robbed me and he is son of ex-commie services officer)

i have no idea how it looks in Czech Rep, but in Poland uniform jobs are very good when it comes to money, bonuses, thats why there is such will to work there,

they have high salaries, they have flat-support, they have medical services support, gun license etc.

my friend has in family private who is truck driver, he gets more money than high educated engineer in ministry ,

he gets bonus money as flat-hire support, he has no problems with getting to doctor (special army-workers clinics in my city)

so that why there is such rats race to work there, i also wanted bigger salary, special clinic, cheaper dinner at buffer, cheaper credit in bank (in PL when you work in Police you have 6% bank loans lending rate while other people have 12% bank loan lending rate)

so if civilian borrows from bank 1000 for year, he must return 1120 for example, when policeman does it, he has to return 1060 at least in bank i know and in bank ,

not even saying about lower taxes for them, they not pay one insurance that we all must pay,

if employer choose worse, he get worse results , but employers who is state-budget payed doesn't care for profit or loss, it's not his money, it's taxpayer money, he can enforce them

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Greece is using censorship to cover up the miserable state of the country.

It´s in german but google translator will help

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/38/38543/1.html

It is now forbidden to show pictures of poor people on TV.

Trying to solve problems by ignoring them?

Also this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/04/greece-police-local-terrorist-arrests

http://www.astynomia.gr/images/stories/2013/photos13/08022013-met.pdf

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