European Politics Thread.

[celery 8]

The other reason is that our punishments is too short. For example a man raped a girl and he only got 3 years or something like that.

lol. That's a really long sentence compared to Finland where the average sentence for rape is 14 months in parole or 18 months imprisoned. There's also a slighter form of rape defined by a lesser amount of threatening and violence, the normal sentence for which is 6 months in parole.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Celery

[st_dux 26]

Those are some incredibly short sentences.

[sweguy96 10]

lol. That's a really long sentence compared to Finland where the average sentence for rape is 14 months in parole or 18 months imprisoned. There's also a slighter form of rape defined by a lesser amount of threatening and violence, the normal sentence for which is 6 months in parole.

Well it's different from case to case. And the rapist is usually only locked up one year or so if he gets a 3 year sentence. Another case I can tell you now is about an immigrant thats was 17 years old and killed an 79 year old woman. And I can't remeber what kind of punishment he got and he wasn't a swedish citizen and and he wasn't deported. And I don't think any of the nordic punishments is hard enough, maybe denmark.

[Baff1 0]

Well one reason is that we have been taking in people from countries that have an misogynist view of our women (people from the middle east and north africa). The other reason is that our punishments is too short. For example a man raped a girl and he only got 3 years or something like that.

But other countries have far higher amounts of Middle Eastern and North African men.

Why are only the ones in your country raping people?

I say this, because That Wikileaks guy is being charged with rape in Sweden. And the newspapers would have us believe, that consentual sex in Sweden is considered rape in the eyes of the law if you do not wear a condom.

Which to my mind would explain better why you have so many more rapes in your country than any other countries do.

And not... immigrants, since you come from a country with very few such immigrants, relatively speaking.

Edited July 26, 2011 by Baff1

[Beagle 684]

But other countries have far higher amounts of Middle Eastern and North African men.

Why are only the ones in your country raping people?

I say this, because That Wikileaks guy is being charged with rape in Sweden. And the newspapers would have us believe, that consentual sex in Sweden is considered rape in the eyes of the law if you do not wear a condom.

Which to my mind would explain better why you have so many more rapes in your country than any other countries do.

And not... immigrants, since you come from a country with very few such immigrants, relatively speaking.

Just take turkey as an example. The some turkish officials themself say we are to soft, they would simply beat those turkish men to reason in turkey if they woukld behacve like they do in germany.

A turkish coworker once says the his sons needs a harder hand, but aas soon as you do the youth offices shows up...because any kind of physical force in education is forbidden by law in germany.

...and they don't wont them back because we already gave them german papers. The only thing that seems to be scary to those guys is a turkish prision... not the cosy corrections facilities with a school in it that we have here.

[Baff1 0]

Sorry but that still doesn't explain the inconsistencies in Sweden.

I recognise the logic in your words, but that hardly explains why a country like Sweden should be the rape capital of the world.

Because they have a few immigrants?

Sweden is not a high immigration country. Surely if Middle Eastern and Northern African immigrants were the cause, we would expect France and Italy to be the rape capitals of the world. Or England and America?

I'm familiar with the Turkish. I haven't found them to be rougher or worse behaved than Germans. Far from it, they stand out as being one of the most likeable races on the planet.

You have suggested to me that a Turkish father feels physical discipline is needed to properly raise a child, but this is banned in Germany.

Presumably it is not just banned for Turkish fathers?

Presumably German youths raised in Germany are all out of control too? Their fathers are equally disallowed to beat their children.

Or are you suggesting that only Turkish children are so badly behaved as to be in need of sharp discipline?

I feel there are elements of truth in both your positions, but that you have overplayed them.

Edited July 26, 2011 by Baff1

[sweguy96 10]

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I didn't say that we have the highest rapes in the world, but the most repored rapes in the world. I'm sure other countries have much more rapes than we have.

[maturin 12]

. And the newspapers would have us believe, that consentual sex in Sweden is considered rape in the eyes of the law if you do not wear a condom.

It's rape if the women realizes that you are not wearing a condom and asks you to stop.

[*LK1* 10]

Those are some incredibly short sentences.

well that's truth but i wouldnt see the finnish/norway law becoming justicialist just for what happened as the american system which is to much tough, you can get 7/8 years even if you steal something from a marketplace without any weapon. completely crazy.

Edited July 26, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[solidsnake2384 10]

And the prisons here arent really prisons. More like a facility too keep gangsters in but can still do gangster stuff and butt rape people.

[mrcash2009 0]

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I notice some are now talking more overtly about the reality of things, regardless on your take of his advice (to maybe sway investment to better guide things for own ends) the sentiment is pretty solid.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

All because of the welfare state.

[Prydain 1]

I love how the media is trying to switch the point of the story from a cunt saying cunty things to asking whether this guy is a hoax and then answering their own question.

@ HL. I saw some dopey idiot on the Beeb last week saying that social services will be the demise of Europe. I would like someone to tell me how people keep saying that socialism will bankrupt Europe since an almost completely bankrupt country with lowering productivity and a disappearing ability to exploit foreign resources managed to set up a national health service and has maintained it for half a century.

[mrcash2009 0]

All because of the welfare state.

Well you have to blame someone, but bear in mind its expected that people in times of trouble (directly effected) go on a witch hunt to anyone below them or any easy target that will justify their inconvenience, the idea is never question or look "up".

a cunt saying cunty things

Is that the best you got from it?

Edited September 28, 2011 by mrcash2009

[nettrucker 142]

I love people who are trying to make a fortune out of other peoples bad luck. Traders - Bankers are people without any conscience. They give a f*ck about other people, if it is a personal gain to them, they are willing to starve you, your family and your children too.

What a f*cked up world we're living in.

Sorry for my rant

[b0b 10]

All because of the welfare state.

We are getting a lot of that in the UK media, demonising the poor while smoke and mirrors making people hate on them is covering up the fact that the rich screwed our country to the tune of 120 billion last year through tax evasion.... yet the benefit fraud in the same year cost the state 1.5 billion.

I would site my sources for those figures but i lost the bm sorry, cant imagine it would be that hard to find again.

This sort of thing rages me, when the pigs dont get enough food in their trough they start blaming the farmer.

[Baff1 0]

I would like someone to tell me how people keep saying that socialism will bankrupt Europe since an almost completely bankrupt country with lowering productivity and a disappearing ability to exploit foreign resources managed to set up a national health service and has maintained it for half a century.

Because it used borrowed money to do so.

More and more every year until half a century later it has become the most heavily indebted society on the planet, quite unable to balance it's books.

The music all stops when people decide to stop lending us the money. At that point it's collapse time. Soviet Union stylee.

I wouldn't be taking the British economy too much for granted if I were you.

Patting ourselves on the back and telling ourselves how fantastic we all are because we still have an NHS that we are unable to pay for is not the smartest thing I've heard said today.

"Alright so far", said the elephant.

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I love people who are trying to make a fortune out of other peoples bad luck. Traders - Bankers are people without any conscience. They give a f*ck about other people, if it is a personal gain to them, they are willing to starve you, your family and your children too.

What a f*cked up world we're living in.

Sorry for my rant

You are equally willing for them and their families and many other families to starve for your profit also.

They are better at it than you are. That's all.

People used to say the same sort of stuff about Bill Gates. And now he is one of the worlds greatest philantropists, and they are still jealous idiots.

There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with trying to advance yourself and your own family first before you concern yourself with charity. After we die and go to heaven, there is plenty for everyone. No one starves, no one is poor.

Edited September 28, 2011 by Baff1

[ProfTournesol 956]

All because of the welfare state.

Well, the US debt is extremely heavy and the welfare state very weak compared to the European one, isn't it ?

[st_dux 26]

All because of the welfare state.

This is a gross oversimplification, although the welfare state is part of the problem. The real crux of the issue is that Western governments haven't given two shits about sound money for decades. They just put it all on the credit card and then pay off that credit card with another one once the first one maxed out. Ultimately, the debt will have be inflated away to the detriment of everyone.

[Tonci87 163]

All because of the welfare state.

Well you know that American Wall Street and American rating agencys are responsible for the Problems we have now...

[mrcash2009 0]

This sort of thing rages me, when the pigs dont get enough food in their trough they start blaming the farmer.

More like, if the pigs dont get enough food they attack anyone smaller than them but seem to forget the farmer or his bosses and those above them which are telling the pigs to attack anyone else but them and then leaving the farmer out to dry while pigs destroy themselves :)

The ill informed are the ones who attack anything media said to attack, that will be the media which will tell you everything is fine as the signal cuts :) :bounce3:

[Prydain 1]

I wouldn't be taking the British economy too much for granted if I were you.

Patting ourselves on the back and telling ourselves how fantastic we all are because we still have an NHS that we are unable to pay for is not the smartest thing I've heard said today.

Unable to pay for? Half a century and all you can come up with is that old chestnut...

I will repeat for your level of intelligence.

PRE-WW2, BRITISH POPULATION SUFFER UNDER DEPRESSION

WAR

NO MONEY

CHURCHILL LOSES ELECTION

ATTLEE GOVERNMENT SETS UP NHS

60 YEARS PASS, TORY/CAVIARE/FRIENDLY FACHISTS/WHATEVER-LIB DEM GOVERNMENT TRIES TO SELL NHS TO DAVE/GIDEON'S RICH FRIENDS

YOU POST, I WEEP.

[st_dux 26]

Unable to pay for? Half a century and all you can come up with is that old chestnut...

Well I mean technically any country that prints its own fiat currency will always be able to pay for everything. It's like that over here in the United States. We have a unimaginably large national debt and yet somehow all the bills are being paid. The problem isn't so much about the ability to pay -- that's been a mere accounting technicality since the gold standard was left behind -- but where the actual value is coming from. The answer, of course, is that the value primarily comes from inflation, i.e., lowering the value of all money in circulation (by essentially printing more) so that the government can pay its bills. This is tantamount to a regressive stealth tax on every citizen, and it's not a sustainable policy in the long term. Eventually the propensity for the interest rate to rise will be so great that Western governments will basically have to choose between severe austerity measures or hyperinflation. Both suck, but the latter is far worse.

[Prydain 1]

Why is it that you can't talk about an issue without someone thinking themselves into the teacher role? I don't think anyone has came to this point without knowing about debt and repayment 'techniques'.

The discussion about the NHS is between people who think that a society can pay collectively for something that could otherwise be a burden on people and people who think the NHS is Stalin's secret money sink or something.

Think of it this way:

Navy - Supported by tax payers money.

NHS - Supported by tax payers money.

Just because we choose to have more social programs, doesn't mean we are in more danger of going bankrupt, it just means we have more social programs and the taxes will be made to fit. I don't care about tax holes and debt, I just care about the stupid retards that are so masochistic that they are fighting for the interests of private companies rather than realising the truth: that is, throw away the errors and inefficiencies and you have a 100% supported service.

[mrcash2009 0]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/step-aside-bbc-trader-head-unicredit-securities-predicts-imminent-end-eurozone-and-global-finan

Step Aside BBC "Trader": Head Of UniCredit Securities Predicts Imminent End Of The Eurozone And A Global Financial Apocalypse

Take the article as you find it and also link further about this information, but thought I would post based on the nature of it.

(Although I do like the comments at the bottom of the article).

Edited September 29, 2011 by mrcash2009