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instead of Bloomber which is channel about money and stock

i recommend to watch French Planete

they show from time to time document about tragedy of people in some parts of world... if you heart, not calculator, when i hear americans i feel like they have calculator, not heart

economy is not all in life , not something more important than dignity or happiness of people

Starving people can't afford so much dignity and happiness.

Learn how to make money in order to avoid sharing their tragedy.

Who knows, if you watch enough Bloomberg channel maybe you can be like Bill Gates and do stuff about the tragedies of the people you see on French Planete.

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i see it completly oposite way, people with "soul, heart, morality, humanity" care about others, while psychopats care only about busines, money (look at definition of pshyopathy, most of them are lawyers, economists, officers in army, criminals etc. noone cares about "another human" only about "profit, money, career, position" )

thats why i am scared when i read on this forum people who sound like having no emotions like sorrow for other men etc. and talk only about economy and money

if people would care more about others instead of money, we would have less wars

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Those that can afford to care, tend to. I think it's pretty clear to all that the most charitable societies on the planet are not coincidently the wealthiest.

Poor people may have more empathy for other poor people.

But they have less ability to do anything about it.

What's the point in "feeling moral" and doing nothing?

You have to help yourself before you can help others. If your own money tree is not in order, you aren't in a position to help others with theirs.

I'm not impressed by people who watch other peoples tragedies and do nothing about it.

Empty emotions only.

I don't pay lip service to emotions I don't feel.

I don't lay claim to superior morals and humanity when my actions don't live up to my words.

I empathise most, not with the people I see in French Planete, because I am not one of them. I empathise more with the people I see on Bloomberg. I aspire to be wealthy, not poor. I wish to educate myself to be as far away from the people on French Planete as humanly possible.

So I prefer to talk about profits and economics and making money.

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people shown on Bloomberg, banksters - made our crisis

they should be shot dead, not cared

because of them we have problems in Europe> US banksters

cared should be unemployed because of US banksters who took 400 000 000 dollars wage, as told in "The Inside Job" movie

all those banksters deseve to die instead of care, they have private jets, but because of their greed people have no job in several countries of Europe

i still cannot imagine , why in US, country full of rifles, they not made order with banksters, people have rifles, they could do revolution and end with banksters (oposite to us , who not have weapons)

if people started doing order , they would not have problems cause 0.00001 % of world population wants private jet and such on

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Arrested Austrian was planning 9/11-style attack on Reichstag

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110619-35747.html

An Austrian terror suspect arrested this week was plotting to crash a plane into the Reichstag building in Berlin, which houses the German parliament, a report said Saturday. Officials said a German with links to the suspect was also detained.

The suspect, who has been named only as Thomas al-J. was arrested on Wednesday in his Vienna flat on suspicion of recruiting for terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan and of financing a terrorist organization - the German Taliban Mujahideen (DTM).

Austrian newspaper Kronen Zeitung reported on Saturday that the 25-year-old Austrian national who converted to Islam, had been plotting to crash a plane into the Reichstag, and had been training on a flight simulator.

LMAO.

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You think thats impossible? People used to believe home-grown US jihadists were impossible too...

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of course possiible

rich EU countries have a lot of emigrants who are troublemakers and do not feel any thanx to country which is their new home

they want to bring EU country in to their muslim country or such like

it is problem in Germany for sure and in France

so it is quite possible and not funny, when emigrants who came to you want to burn you cause they came only to take social benefits plus steal and born more children not working/not paying tax

Germans, French have such problems with Arab immigrants who want to force Arab-culture behaviour on rest of society

probably England, Spain, Italy, Slovakia with Gypsies too (i heard about places in Slovakia where bus driver say gypsies throw stones unless they don't get fee from people)

only due to "political correctness" they wrote "Austrian" i can bet he was not ;)

just like "Pole" who killed someone in Netherlands for MP3 player... was not Pole, but Gypsy who roamed and had Polish citizenship

but "politically correct" media won't say truth , that it was not Pole who murdered someone, but Gypsy

so i can bet that this guy was not Austrian , but citizen of Austria with Arab roots (its not racism, simply my blood boils when i read "Pole killed teenager to steal his MP3 player in Netherlands" or "Czech bandits raped someone in UK" etc. )

EU gives shelter too often , much too often (we are on the same boat in EU, our taxes are spent too, not only rich countries taxes and it is not racism, but we really have more and more problems in EU because we allow and invite even those who not like us , who not want to accept our lifestyle (covered faces to woman, lack of religion-state law, need to work instead of beg/steal) and such like )

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of course possiible

rich EU countries have a lot of emigrants who are troublemakers and do not feel any thanx to country which is their new home

they want to bring EU country in to their muslim country or such like

it is problem in Germany for sure and in France

so it is quite possible and not funny, when emigrants who came to you want to burn you cause they came only to take social benefits plus steal and born more children not working/not paying tax

Germans, French have such problems with Arab immigrants who want to force Arab-culture behaviour on rest of society

probably England, Spain, Italy, Slovakia with Gypsies too (i heard about places in Slovakia where bus driver say gypsies throw stones unless they don't get fee from people)

only due to "political correctness" they wrote "Austrian" i can bet he was not ;)

just like "Pole" who killed someone in Netherlands for MP3 player... was not Pole, but Gypsy who roamed and had Polish citizenship

but "politically correct" media won't say truth , that it was not Pole who murdered someone, but Gypsy

so i can bet that this guy was not Austrian , but citizen of Austria with Arab roots (its not racism, simply my blood boils when i read "Pole killed teenager to steal his MP3 player in Netherlands" or "Czech bandits raped someone in UK" etc. )

EU gives shelter too often , much too often (we are on the same boat in EU, our taxes are spent too, not only rich countries taxes and it is not racism, but we really have more and more problems in EU because we allow and invite even those who not like us , who not want to accept our lifestyle (covered faces to woman, lack of religion-state law, need to work instead of beg/steal) and such like )

You know immigration and Muslims are becoming a problem in Europe when Vilas, a Communist fanboy, is showing his displeasure.

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as people who live near Paris

maybe it is not visible in Texas , ask people who live in Paris about Paris' suburbs or people from Rome or Madrid about pickpockets and bands of robbers

i don't know if Texas is similar to Europe big cities , probably not if you not understand it

people living in suburbs of Paris should say here some words, about their burned shops or cars (how they feel about people who eat their taxes, born child every year and from time to time burn their car)

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You think thats impossible? People used to believe home-grown US jihadists were impossible too...

Austrian Attacking the Reichstag, some of them hate Jews as well.

:rolleyes:

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You know immigration and Muslims are becoming a problem in Europe when Vilas, a Communist fanboy, is showing his displeasure.

Yeah! What about the brotherhood of man, free education for those Muslims, vilas? Eh? I do agree that they're a problem, especially in Sweden: you come to a foreign society, NOT even a mere society - a whole new civilisation and bring your ignorance with you, refuse to adapt to the customs & norms, then you deserve whatever the fuck is coming to you. Or your home country.

Thus the bombings (in Libya) will continue, until morale improves.

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free education - when you pay taxes ;) "pay taxes" makes difference ;)

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free education - when you pay taxes ;) "pay taxes" makes difference ;)

vilas, taxes is a feudalistic (read: capitalistic) concept. So you want free education, health care, when you *really need it*, what else? But at the same time you want your own sovereignty, when it comes to wealth? That ain't communism, my friend. :D

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i know

but also it is not my fault that some Americans do not understand that - to be not liberal not means to be communist

it's not my fault that some people see only ultra liberalism and rest (which is not ultra liberal) as communism

it's like saying - all that is not M16 is AK47, than what about AK74 or Famas or FN FAL ?

Americans have tendency to call "everything which is not Republican party" as "communism" in fact they not know differences between many schemes of economical systems

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Well, the Soviets really fucked up the concept, and now you get a reactionary response, whenever someone mentions socialism, "free healthcare" et cetera. Free healthcare is nothing more than an insurance policy, do the opponents of said system have a vehicle? How about vehicle insurance? Of course they do, but they can choose not to have a vehicle... On the other hand, you can't choose not to breathe, so "free healthcare insurance" applies to every person (vehicle).

It's a sound concept, though.

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yes, but there is difference between vehicle and public healthcare/education

you decide to buy car

but you not decide to be born in rich or poor family

so it is not up to you if you have money for education or money to have cancer treatment

child that is wise and can be engineer cannot be limited "cause his parents are cleaning houses and have no money for university" or person who lost all due to tragedy (flood, fire, burglary) cannot have rejected help in hospital, cause it is not his fault that he lost all (or for example parents died in road accident)

a brain should decide if you have Msc, not "parents' pocket"

there also mandatory insurances on vehicle, cause someone with vehicle may cause dammage/accident to sameone other - we call it OC (mandatory insurance from accidents caused by you)

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Agreed, agreed, but it's not so much with rich vs. poor, as it is about Human dignity: if you've been in an accident, let's say you have an open fracture in the leg, there should be NO back-thoughts by the emergency personnel, doctors, nurses, regarding whether or not you can pay for staying in hospital, and for the operation(s).

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but due to accident someones parent may die and suddenly he had to stop education cause in hist state he cannot pay for it (being young, not have time to work cause study is very time-demanding as Technical University when you go every day on classes and sit till night with making technical drawings like i had to , since 9-17 i was in Univeristy, some days till 2 AM i was making technical drawing, calculations "projects" etc. or reading books to study knowledge , learning new things, there was no time to work at all ) ?

or what if person is skilled in brain , but is disabled (wheelchair)

can be great engineer but cannot pay for study , his parent died and his mother is cleaner who earn small money ?

or he need operation to make him able to walk, but the same problem with money

tax is public insurance and i always say about social as result of tax (instead of wasting tax money for wars (cause private company who produce jets, bombs, rockets want to steal your tax money on their products) , for politicians wages, for politicians jets and parliament gold-cristal candelabras , for politicians golden closets or for spending it to build senseless things as statues of something etc. or even for example race to Moon, Mars, whatever in situation where other areas are not fulfilled cause one president want to be in history books for "first on Moon, Mars and put there golden cross" for example )

in some countries you have no social but have taxes, which is spend on palace of king...

if you've been in an accident, let's say you have an open fracture in the leg, there should be NO back-thoughts by the emergency personnel, doctors, nurses, regarding whether or not you can pay for staying in hospital, and for the operation(s).

no ?

as i know there were some situations "is he insured" before calling ambulance in some countries

it is not only in movie like Sicko, but happens also in my country when you await to doctor and registration clerk first asks for insurance paper etc.

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Hans,

you shouldn't be happy, for if the Eurozone collapses, there won't be a stone left unturned anywhere in the world, like last time. :D The way I see it: peripheral states will get sacrificed, public sector gets the knife in the PIIGS countries, while at the same time the fathers of the EU will ask for more executive power, like drawing up budgets for banana republics like Greece. IMF's dream come true. :P

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Hans,

you shouldn't be happy, for if the Eurozone collapses, there won't be a stone left unturned anywhere in the world, like last time. :D The way I see it: peripheral states will get sacrificed, public sector gets the knife in the PIIGS countries, while at the same time the fathers of the EU will ask for more executive power, like drawing up budgets for banana republics like Greece. IMF's dream come true. :P

I don't necessarily see a collapse as a bad thing. Sometimes you can patch up a crack in your wall with some tap and mud; there are times when it makes sense to knock down the entire wall and put up new sheet rock.

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Spain protesters turn anger against Brussels

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/26d4bec6-9a99-11e0-bab2-00144feab49a.html

I love watching this train wreck unfold in front of my very own eyes.

Yup, i was on Zaragoza protests yesterday, about 30000 people said NO to the spanish bidemocracy and also to the euro agreements. Globally, more than 1 million people on Spain gives the same message to our politics. Unfortunatelly, they won't listen to the people and they will make what is better to their own interests, wich means earn more money. :mad:

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I don't necessarily see a collapse as a bad thing. Sometimes you can patch up a crack in your wall with some tap and mud; there are times when it makes sense to knock down the entire wall and put up new sheet rock.

Would Greece defaulting and/or leaving the Eurozone constitute a collapse? I warned you, you don't want Germans roaming free this time of year. :D Nah, Greece & other PIIS countries are held by the balls at the moment by the ECB, IMF, but who is to blame that they've ran up all that debt? iPhone 4 needs to go back to the store, you've not earned it. Darn it. :(

BTW, exact situation in the US right now with few options left: 1) kill granny by knifing Social Sec., MediCare, 2) default, 3) go to war with the mix of 1 & 2. Edit: 3) *Go to war with your creditors, important distinction. HAHA. :D

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BTW, exact situation in the US right now with few options left: 1) kill granny by knifing Social Sec., MediCare, 2) default, 3) go to war with the mix of 1 & 2. Edit: 3) *Go to war with your creditors, important distinction. HAHA. :D

Not exactly the same. There are many more routes out of the problem of financing welfare than you have mentioned, they just aren't being discussed because you don't have a party willing to stray into the realm of sanity yet. Democrats are too weak, Republicans are insane and both are two right-wing to be considered as holding a different end of the political spectrum.

Spain protesters turn anger against Brussels

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/26d4b...44feab49a.html

I love watching this train wreck unfold in front of my very own eyes.

If people in Spain want someone to blame, they need only look at their reflection. The EU didn't instate a government, the rest of Europe didn't force them to be in a vulnerable position economically. I personally don't think integration has been mapped properly but thats what you get in a democracy/supranational democracy.

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Not exactly the same. There are many more routes out of the problem of financing welfare than you have mentioned, they just aren't being discussed because you don't have a party willing to stray into the realm of sanity yet.

Financing welfare? Why the fuck would anyone want to do that? Try to explain how you do that in intricate detail and you'll be knifed on the first step: bond yield.

What, you thought U.S. Treasury prints its own money? They go to the bond market, to people like me and ask to borrow money with full faith & credibility of the United States mantra behind it. Do you know what happened in Greece? Bond yields shot to 23% on 2 year debt a month ago, now it's at over 30% - nobody wants to 'finance' that banana republic, which soon is going to be the U.S as well.

Finance the welfare, ROFL.

Democrats are too weak, Republicans are insane and both are two right-wing to be considered as holding a different end of the political spectrum.

Thought so.

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"But we brought you Democracy!" :D

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I admit that I haven't been following the whole topic but could someone please explain me why it would be that bad to throw Greece out of the EU or at least the Euro?

There are only two messages I'm getting these days:

1) Greek people protesting and comparing Germany with the Nazi time, though its the fault of their own government and their ignorance of cutting their expenses

2) Germany (not only of course), spending billions of Euros to save a system thats so ruined that it can't be saved, though we really, really need the money for our own country

I don't have the knowledge to make a valid opinion, but in my view it would strengthen the Euro and the Euro zone if we'd get rid of those parts who aren't contributing anything.

:confused:

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