USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

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Quote[/b] ]Do you even want them to get the bomb? Think about it. The target of a terrorist nuke attack may not be the US. It could be Isreal. It could be England. It could be France. We don't want Iran having a nuke because of their close ties to terrorism.

Quote[/b] ]They are years away from a bomb. Even if they got it someday how should they deliver it ? With pigeons ? ICBM´s are not developed in a minute. Hysteria ?

Most likely the next terrorist nuke attack we will see are some shoulder drops from US planes on iranian territory. Preemptive, you know... the path to sucess, you know...

As he said. Besides, as I've said, Iran won't use the nuke(s). Only possibility is they give it to terrorists. But then again, it's possible CIA or some US agency comes up with a good idea and bombs a US city themself just to be able to attack Iran or something. Not likely, but it could happen...should we all bomb CIA cause of that?

Quote[/b] ]Btw, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if Bush was wrong, what makes it right for others to do the same? Ted Bundy murdered people, does that give me a right to do the same?

If Ted Bundy kicks me in my nuts, I sure as hell am gonna kick him back. Not because it's right, because it feels good. Therefor Bush is guilty until proven innocent, while others are innocent until proven guilty

Also because Bush have done so many stupid things that it wouldn't suprise me if he really was a muslim himself...

[Garcia 0]

Quote[/b] ] Show me an Islamic country that is not a shit hole to live in, one where the leaders are responsible, one where everyone has equal rights.

Show me 1 country where everyone have equal rights, not only in theory

[walker 0]

Hi all

Hmm going OT US politics thread not Middle East thread.

Kind Regards Walker

[harley 3 1185 0]

Senate in an appropriations tangle

The Republican Party seems to be having a right old time in the Senate. They've forced nearly $2bn from the sum earmarked for Iraq to go towards improving Border Security. Somewhat more controversially they've also allocated nearly a billion dollars towards the relocation of a Mississippi railroad, even though the original line was repaired after Katrina for substantially less taxpayer money. The President is being petitioned to stem the tide of appropriations.

[ralphwiggum 6]

ok stop going OT. I'm not happy today and someone will haev some forced time off from here if this goes south again.

not intended owards harley though.

[EiZei 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4959008.stm

Quote[/b] ]

Leftist trio seals Americas pact

The left-wing leaders of Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela have signed a three-way trade agreement aimed at countering US influence in Latin America.

The pact was signed in Cuba by Bolivian President Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and their host Fidel Castro.

The initiative, the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas, was drawn up by Cuba and Venezuela.

Mr Morales, an ally of both Mr Castro and Mr Chavez, decided to join it after his election last December.

The initiative - known by its Spanish acronym Alba - is being promoted as a socialist alternative to the Washington-backed Free Trade Area of the Americas.

Now combine this with China's growing interest towards latin america and I can imagine all those wannabe-pinochets rubbing their hands together already..

[Nemesis6 0]

Leftist, at least in Hugo Chavez' case is an understatement: The guy's a racist and I'd go out on a limb and call him a dictator. Replace dictator with "asshole", should you disagree with him being a dictator.

[EiZei 0]

Leftist, at least in Hugo Chavez' case is an understatement: The guy's a racist and I'd go out on a limb and call him a dictator. Replace dictator with "asshole", should you disagree with him being a dictator.

Racist? That's a new one.

[Nemesis6 0]

Actually, it's not - Here's the link

He sure isn't fond of the Jewish people.

[walker 0]

Hi all

In Reply to Nemesis6

Hugo Chavez was elected by his people in proper and fair democratic election; so calling him a dictator has you snapping that limb you crawled out on and crashing to the floor.

If you want to suggest it was anything other than a fair and democratic election I think you need to get some proof together. Then you need to put it in a suitable thread in another section of the forum under probably and I am guessing here, South American Politics thread or this thread which if people had searched is on the same subject. South-American "EU" launched

This is after all the US politics thread.

I can see no mention of Jews in the article you quote, Could you quote the actual passage. As far as I remember Romans crucified people and the King James bible which I think must be your source for the Jews killed Christ story actually reports the Jesus character as being nailed up by some Roman soldiers. But the the Romano Christian church did a whole Jews killed Jesus (also a Jew) propaganda thing, so that maybe what you are refering too, if so please say so.

Nemesis6 it must be me but your post sounds a little sketchy and kinda paranoid.

Anyway back to USA politics thread and away from the whole world revolves around the middle east thread:

With the failures of the Hurricane Katrina Homeland Security TBA jobs for the boys program still fresh in our minds; now comes fresh revelations that the insurers do not think homes on the coast of the US are any longer a good bet.

With the Hurricane season only a month away and record tornadoes having already swept through the Midwest. Insurers at least are putting their money were their mouths are and they think global warming is real.

Quote[/b] ]Insurers Retreat From Coasts

Katrina Losses May Force More Costs on Taxpayers

By Spencer S. Hsu

Washington Post Staff Writer

Sunday, April 30, 2006; Page A01

Alarmed at the sharply rising cost of hurricanes and other disasters, home insurers are pulling back from some U.S. coastal markets, warning of gathering financial storm clouds over how the United States pays for the damage of catastrophe.

The development is yet another legacy of Hurricane Katrina, whose mounting toll of destruction along the Gulf Coast has crystallized a growing industry debate about the combined effect of climate trends and population growth in coastal areas. Some believe the two are creating a risk of losses so large that insurers could be pushed to the breaking point, leaving the government and taxpayers holding the tab for the next disaster.

Since Aug. 29 -- when the hurricane made landfall along the Gulf Coast -- Allstate Corp., the industry's second-largest company, has ceased writing homeowners policies in Louisiana, Florida and coastal parts of Texas and New York state. The firm has stopped underwriting earthquake coverage in California and elsewhere. Other firms have pulled back from the Gulf Coast to Cape Cod, notifying Florida of plans to cancel 500,000 policies.

Meanwhile, homeowners are moving to state-backed insurer plans of last resort, which tend to be subsidized by taxpayers, and whose costs are also rising.

As companies raise premiums, shed customers and battle homeowner claims in hurricane-damaged states, an overhaul of the industry is being promoted by an unusual coalition. It includes Allstate and State Farm Fire and Casualty Co. as well as a bipartisan group of state regulators, academic experts and former homeland security officials...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....64.html

Meanwhile the Oil companies make record profits SUVs get tax breaks and the price at the pump is going through the roof.

George Bush Junior's answer to this. Well I kid you not; he is going to have a very expensive long investigation in to why gas costs so much.

You know the clown act with the mimic at the Correspondents' Association annual dinner on Saturday, well that was not funny, it was sad, he really is that dumb and he is the guy in charge of the big red button.

Could it be, and I am just crawling out on a limb here, that TBA has got the wrong policies?

Sadly with Kind Regards walker

[ralphwiggum 6]

And every year there is White House Correspondents' Association Dinner, where presidents make fun of themselves.

This year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6va2fOXGmNU

And the guest was Stephen Colbert, a comic who has a show on Comedy Central channel called "Colbert Report" which is spoof of O'reilly's ahow and others like it.

My personal opinion is that he really made fun of Bush.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcIRXur61II

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN0INDOkFuo

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJvar7BKwvQ

Here is Jon Stewart show on last year's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZTzgzoxU84

[EiZei 0]

And the guest was Stephen Colbert, a comic who has a show on Comedy Central channel called "Colbert Report" which is spoof of O'reilly's ahow and others like it.

My personal opinion is that he really made fun of Bush.

...

Must say I am really impressed especially being somebody who loses his shit holding a presentation in front of 10 people.

And of all the people they could have invited there to make the same tired "lighthearted" jokes they decide to invite the ballsiest (ex-)member of the TDS lineup..

[Nemesis6 0]

Didn't I give you the link already?

Here's the quote then -

Quote[/b] ]Speaking at a rehabilitation center on December 24, the controversial left-wing president said “the descendants of those who crucified Christ... have taken ownership of the riches of the world, a minority has taken ownership of the gold of the world, the silver, the minerals, water, the good lands, petrol, well, the riches, and they have concentrated the riches in a small number of hands.â€

That's what's called Anti-Semitism. Dictator or not, he's an asshole.

[walker 0]

Hi all

First of all an aside to Nemesis6 sorry but I cannot see the word jewish or Jew any where in the text you have quoted. I even searched the passage you are quoting with my computer it can not find it anywhere also. Please be kind to my tired old eyes and bold it for me.

Didn't I give you the link already?

Here's the quote then -

Quote[/b] ]Speaking at a rehabilitation center on December 24, the controversial left-wing president said “the descendants of those who crucified Christ... have taken ownership of the riches of the world, a minority has taken ownership of the gold of the world, the silver, the minerals, water, the good lands, petrol, well, the riches, and they have concentrated the riches in a small number of hands.â€

...

Perhaps you can reply in either a new South American Politics thread or the South American Economic Community thread; I linked in my last post. Or perhaps in the Middle eastern thread then PM me so that I may reply as this is the US politics thread and this discusion is probably Off Topic, and I certainly will not reply to your posts on this subject matter in this thread anymore.

Anyway back to the point of this the US politics thread.

George Bush Juniors ratings continue to slide and have reached yet another low.

Quote[/b] ]Poll: Gas Prices, Iraq Weigh Down Bush

May 1, 2006

(CBS) With gas prices sky-high and no end of the Iraq war in sight, President George W. Bush's approval rating hits an all-time low in a new CBS News poll.

Only 33 percent approve of his job performance, Mr. Bush's lowest approval rating yet in CBS News polls. A majority – 58 percent of those polled – say they disapprove of the president. Mr. Bush appears to be losing support from his own party. His approval rating among Republicans has dropped to 68 percent...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories....5.shtml

Follow link for full results and article

Just 33% of Americans aprove of George Bush Junior at all and his figures are heading ubelievably into the 20s, 74% of US citizens think George Bush Junior's plan to have an expensive waste of time report on why gas costs so much is baloney, and 64% disaprove of George Bush Juniors handling of Iraq.

Obvously many US voters are asking this question:

"With the untrustworthy NeoConMan entryist group in control of the US Republican party, how can any one feel safe to vote republican?"

Kind Regards Walker

[booradley60 0]

Colbert was pretty good. His timing was a little off at points, but the main reason his jokes were not received well at the event was he reamed the MSM along with TBA. They shouldn't have been surprised, for all I could tell it was just a weekend version of "The Word" without the bullet points next to him. The end of the presentation with the video was a little dull, but his opening 10 minutes or so were scathing. I think my favorite line was when he told the people to speak into the table numbers if they needed anything and the NSA would bring them a cocktail, along with the description of D.C. to Ray Nagin as a "chocolate city with a marshmallow center." He said all this while standing 10 feet away from the President. That took "muchos huevos grandes."

[Nemesis6 0]

First of all an aside to Nemesis6 sorry but I cannot see the word jewish or Jew any where in the text you have quoted. I even searched the passage you are quoting with my computer it can not find it anywhere also. Please be kind to my tired old eyes and bold it for me.

Holy moly, someone has a bad case of the denials. And by the way, don't bother NOT responding to my posts. All you post here in this thread seems to be "news" supporting your leftist political views.

Anyway -

Quote[/b] ]Iran Discovers New Uranium Deposits, Continues Enrichment Program

Iran said Tuesday it had found uranium ore at three new sites in the center of the country, an announcement that appeared designed as a fresh challenge to the drive by the United States and allies to curb Tehran's nuclear program.

Iran already has considerable uranium resources available for its nuclear program, a fact that called into question the importance of the new discoveries — beyond their propaganda value.

"We have got good news: the discovery of new economically viable deposits of uranium in central Iran," Mohammad Ghannadi, deputy chief for nuclear research and technology, told a conference.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The US voters spotted a republican congress party attempt at bribing the electorate and gave it big slap. Even Trent Lot's daughter gave him a roasting over it.

Quote[/b] ]As C-Note Falls Flat, GOP Looks for Plan B on Gas

By Shailagh Murray and Jim VandeHei

Washington Post Staff Writers

Wednesday, May 3, 2006; Page A07

Some Republicans thought they were being clever indeed with their plan to respond to soaring gasoline prices by giving most drivers a $100 rebate. At a news conference last week to unveil the idea, Sen. James M. Talent (R-Mo.) declared, "It will show people that Washington gets it."

Many voters, however, concluded that Washington does not get it. Besieged with complaints about political pandering, GOP lawmakers now say the rebate idea is a non-starter. As Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) explained yesterday, "When my own daughter harasses me, you know you're in trouble."...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/?reload=true Follow link for full text of article

It is precisely failures of policy like this that have so turned off those voters that might have considered voting republican in the past.

On oil George Bush Juniors big plan is to have a waste of time and money report. Why do this when the answers are obvious to us all?

* Stop wasting gas by encouraging better engine economy instead of giving tax breaks to gas guzzlers.

* Do not start needless wars in the places where oil comes from.

* If you are going to start a war; make sure you have enough troops to do the job.

* Start to understand the damage that global warming is doing (Gulf oil well + refineries + hurricanes do not mix)

* Start giving tax breaks and research grants for alternative energy supplies.

* Do not give big oil companies billions in tax breaks and grants when they are making excessive profits.

* Stop being in the pocket of big oil.

Of course this will not happen while the current administration is in power. To find out why you have to look at who the people who are there.

Who are the Big Oil people in the White House?

Who has secret meetings with the oil companies?

Who got a Six Billion Dollar social security cheque for his formerly bankrupt oil supplies company?

Follow the money.

Then you have to add in nature of those in the adminstration an entryist group who's philosophy Use bolshevik entryist techniques to take over political parties.  Lie to get in power (Strausian texts). Then feather their own nests.

With an untrustworthy NeoConMen entryist group controlling the republican party can anyone see how it will it ever be able change policies to ones that benefit the USA?

Kind Regards Walker

[Balschoiw 0]

Democracy US-style:

Torture "widespread" under U.S. custody: Amnesty

Quote[/b] ]GENEVA (Reuters) - Torture and inhumane treatment are "widespread" in U.S.-run detention centers in

Afghanistan,

Iraq, Cuba and elsewhere despite Washington's denials, Amnesty International said on Wednesday.

In a report for the

United Nations' Committee against Torture, the London-based human rights group also alleged abuses within the U.S. domestic law enforcement system, including use of excessive force by police and degrading conditions of isolation for inmates in high security prisons.

"Evidence continues to emerge of widespread torture and other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees held in U.S. custody," Amnesty said in its 47-page report.

It said that while Washington has sought to blame abuses that have recently come to light on "aberrant soldiers and lack of oversight," much ill-treatment stemmed from officially sanctioned interrogation procedures and techniques.

"The U.S. government is not only failing to take steps to eradicate torture, it is actually creating a climate in which torture and other ill-treatment can flourish," said Amnesty International USA Senior Deputy Director-General Curt Goering.

The U.N. committee, whose experts carry out periodic reviews of countries signatory to the U.N. Convention against Torture, is scheduled to begin consideration of the United States on Friday. The last U.S. review was in 2000.

It said in November it was seeking U.S. answers to questions including whether Washington operated secret detention centers abroad and whether

President George W. Bush had the power to absolve anyone from criminal responsibility in torture cases.

The committee also wanted to know whether a December 2004 memorandum from the U.S. Attorney General's office, reserving torture for "extreme" acts of cruelty, was compatible with the global convention barring all forms of cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.

UNTIL THE END

In its own submission to the committee, published late last year, Washington justified the holding of thousands of foreign terrorism suspects in detention centers abroad, including Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, on the grounds that it was fighting a war that was still not over.

"Like other wars, when they start, we do not know when they will end. Still, we may detain combatants until the end of the war," it said.

The U.S. human rights image has taken a battering abroad over a string of scandals involving the sexual and physical abuse of detainees held by American forces in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.

In its submission, Washington did not mention alleged secret detention centers.

Amnesty listed a series of incidents in recent years involving torture of detainees in U.S. custody, noting the heaviest sentence given to perpetrators was five months in jail.

This was the same punishment you could get for stealing a bicycle in the United States, it added.

"Although the U.S. government continues to assert its condemnation of torture and ill-treatment, these statements contradict what is happening in practice," said Goering, referring to the testimony of torture victims in the report.

Way to go !

Full AI report:

AI report

Background of 5 month punishment:

Quote[/b] ]"The heaviest sentence imposed on anyone to date for a torture-related death while in US custody is five months -- the same sentence that you might receive in the US for stealing a bicycle. In this case, the five-month sentence was for assaulting a 22-year-old taxi-driver who was hooded and chained to a ceiling while being kicked and beaten until he died," said Curt Goering.

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Quote[/b] ]Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp

Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. “I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great,†said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.

Not that Asadullah saw much of the Caribbean island. During his 14-month stay, he went to the beach only a couple of times - a shame, as he loved to snorkel. And though he learned a few words of Spanish, Asadullah had zero contact with the locals.

He spent a typical day watching movies, going to class and playing football. He was fascinated to learn about the solar system, and now enjoys reciting the names of the planets, starting with Earth. Less diverting were the twice-monthly interrogations about his knowledge of al-Qaida and the Taliban. But, as Asadullah’s answer was always the same - “I don’t know anything about these people†- these sessions were merely a bore: an inevitably tedious consequence, Asadullah suggests with a shrug, of being held captive in Guantanamo Bay.

On January 29, Asadullah and two other juvenile prisoners were returned home to Afghanistan. The three boys are not sure of their ages. But, according to the estimate of the Red Cross, Asadullah is the youngest, aged 12 at the time of his arrest. The second youngest, Naqibullah, was arrested with him, aged perhaps 13, while the third boy, Mohammed Ismail, was a child at the time of his separate arrest, but probably isn’t now.

Tracked down to his remote village in south-eastern Afghanistan, Naqibullah has memories of Guantanamo that are almost identical to Asadullah’s. Prison life was good, he said shyly, nervous to be receiving a foreigner to his family’s mud-fortress home.

The food in the camp was delicious, the teaching was excellent, and his warders were kind. “Americans are good people, they were always friendly, I don’t have anything against them,†he said. “If my father didn’t need me, I would want to live in America.â€

Asadullah is even more sure of this. “Americans are great people, better than anyone else,†he said, when found at his elder brother’s tiny fruit and nut shop in a muddy backstreet of Kabul. “Americans are polite and friendly when you speak to them. They are not rude like Afghans. If I could be anywhere, I would be in America. I would like to be a doctor, an engineer — or an American soldier.â€

Quote[/b] ]ICRC: Gitmo Not Too Bad

DETAINEES are being better treated at the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, and the Red Cross is satisfied with its access to them, the humanitarian agency’s chief said.

Jakob Kellenberger, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), said detention conditions at Guantanamo had “improved considerably†over the past four years. “There have also been improvements in the treatment of prisoners, but that does not mean that there are no longer any problems at all,†he said. ...

But he said the ICRC and Washington remained at odds over whether the detainees, which the United States calls “enemy combatantsâ€, are protected under the 1949 Geneva Convention on the rights of prisoners of war.

“On this issue, I don’t see a possible agreement at this stage. But we are not abandoning our efforts,†he said.

He called it “extremely regrettable†that intense media focus on Guantanamo seemed to distract from troubled sites in places like Chechnya and Burma, where the ICRC has suspended prison visits over disagreements with local authorities.

Pff, liberals...

[cozza 24]

Were'd you get those from

[Acecombat 0]

A dableww teee eff is in order here .

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Pff, liberals...

What planet are you living on ?

Nice to see your spirit though.

Edit:

Forget it. Just checked your age. Self-explanatory.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The cost of traitorgate has started to become clear for some time I have pointed out that Valerie Wilson nee Plame was not just any NOC agent she was in charge of the counter proliferation desk and it has now been verified that she was specifically working on Iran.

At a time when the US most needed her valuable skills the traitors in TBA blinded American intelligence for nothing more than petty spite. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (DN.J.) of the has asked for a dammage assesment.

Quote[/b] ]Sen. Lautenberg Asks CIA Director For Assessment of Damage to National Security from Leak of Agent's Identity

5/2/2006 5:04:00 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To: National Desk

Contact: Alex Formuzis or Charles Walston, 202-224-7340 or 202-224-6749

WASHINGTON, May 2 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In light of news reports that CIA Agent Valerie Plame was working to track Iran's effort to obtain nuclear weapons when her identity was leaked, U.S. Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) today called on CIA Director Porter Goss to provide an assessment of the damage to national security from the incident.

Lautenberg's letter to Goss is attached and below.

Lautenberg was the first Senator to call for Karl Rove's security clearance to be revoked or suspended while his role in the CIA leak case is under investigation.

Dear Director Goss,

I am writing to request that the CIA provide a national security damage assessment briefing to U.S. Senators regarding the public disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA officer.

Media reports on Monday reveal that at the time Ms. Plame's cover was blown, she was part of our intelligence community's efforts to track the proliferation of nuclear weapons material to Iran, and that the disclosure of her identity compromised our nation's ability to monitor Iran's efforts to obtain nuclear weapons. If this report is true, the disclosure of her identity has caused harm to our national security.

Therefore, I seek a briefing of interested Senators on whether the CIA has in fact launched a damage assessment and what this assessment has revealed to date. We would also like to know whether the security clearances of any current Administration personnel has been suspended or revoked as a result of this matter.

Sincerely

Senator Frank Lautenberg

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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/© 2006 U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770

See video of the MSNBC news report

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/01.html#a8126

Read a transript of the report by MSNBC

http://www.rawstory.com/news....01.html

Full story on dammage done to American Intelligence on Iranian nukes

http://www.rawstory.com/news....13.html

At a time of war traitors traditionally get put up against the wall and shot but I dare say the republican whiners want the TBA traitors to get a presidential pardon or a country club prison but in a democracy not even presidents are above the law.

Obvously many US voters will now be asking this question:

"With the untrustworthy NeoConMan entryist group, ready to risk national security for petty spite in control of the US Republican party, how can any one feel safe to vote republican?"

Regards Walker

[Nemesis6 0]

What planet are you living on ?

Nice to see your spirit though.

Edit:

Forget it. Just checked your age. Self-explanatory.

Ok, let me get this right - "NeoConMen" can be called "untrustworthy", but liberals can't be pff'd?

Double standard, anyone?

By the way: You dismiss my opinion because of my age? That's like me dismissing your opinions because you're German, or any other nationality for that matter.

Quote[/b] ]Oil key to U.S. security

Think gas prices are bad now?

Imagine another terrorist attack — especially one on Saudi Arabian oil refineries, former CIA Director R. James Woolsey said Monday during a visit to Pittsburgh.

If terrorists took out the sulfur-cleaning towers in northeastern Saudi Arabia, as described in the beginning of Robert Baer’s book, “Sleeping With the Devil,†crude oil prices could easily top $150 a barrel and stay there for more than a year, Woolsey said.

A barrel of oil sold for about $73 yesterday, with gas prices in the United States hovering around $3 a gallon.

Most Americans don’t want to think about paying double that.

They also don’t want to think about where some of the money goes when they buy gasoline — to groups that threaten the U.S., Woolsey said. And it’s not just terrorists, but established Middle Eastern regimes that restrict women’s rights, have poor education systems and fail to invest in their societies.

“If you want to see who’s paying for all that, next time you pull in to fill up, turn the rearview mirror a little bit so you can look at yourself for a minute as you get out with your credit card,†Woolsey said during a meeting with reporters and editors of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]Obvously many US voters will now be asking this question:

"With the untrustworthy NeoConMan entryist group, ready to risk national security for petty spite in control of the US Republican party, how can any one feel safe to vote republican?"

 Ok then what do you suggest they do, vote for the Democrats?

Fuck that stupid idea.

 The real question you should ask is,

"With the untrustworthy feudalistic and socialist lawyers and business men in control of the Republican and Democratic parties, how can any one feel safe voting at all?"

 Now two more comments.

1. Nemesis, the story about the kids who claim to have been treated well at Gitmo is interesting. However with out a link or citation of where you found the stories I have to to assume you made the shit up. Sorry.

2. Balschoiw, I'm sorry but Amnesty international is hardly a group to be taken seriously. The pussies consider shouting or raising your voice torture.