USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Pviera and tacticalnuggets possibly the same person?

If not, good luck to Pviera. Now that you've announced your membership of a paramilitary organization on a public forum I wish you luck in all your future endevours.

[pviera11 10]

What the guy above me said.

You did not train harder than special forces. If you did, a large number of your "Militia" would have died in training or at least been seriously injured, hospitalized and the police taken a serious interest in what you were doing.

You must be actually mad (not in a good way) if you consider yourselves better than Nato's best. On the other hand you might well be a massive troll.

I had ex-army rangers, and some other ex-special forces in there. Along with just regular ex-army, navy, airforce veterans(marines weren't wanting to join). Some people in the militia weren't even in the military but that doesn't mean they cant be trained to fight. Also as i mentioned before, we defend against anyone willing to destroy our country or constitution, whether it be our own military, or NATO, or non-military organization i could care less who it is.

Also i mentioned we had branches if you couldn't make it into our special forces then you would be sent back to the army, navy, or airforce branch and you could retry again in 10 days. We trained for 8 hours a day, so yes it will full time, that was our job. Just like a militia is meant to be, its their job to defend their country against all enemies. All injuries of our militia members were treated by our own medics, and doctors, we've only had one serious enough injury where we had to bring him to the hospital ourselves.

I don't think you've ever been out in the country then? Where there is acres and acres of land, that you can shoot on. We had ranges set up, etc. We were able to perform land navigation's, and patrols in the woods, the only thing we couldn't train in was water combat, so that made us limited with the navy, we could only train scuba divers, and boat drivers.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

I can just about hear your voice coming from the bottom of that hole you're digging...

[Infam0us 10]

I had ex-army rangers, and some other ex-special forces in there. Along with just regular ex-army, navy, airforce veterans(marines weren't wanting to join). Some people in the militia weren't even in the military but that doesn't mean they cant be trained to fight. Also as i mentioned before, we defend against anyone willing to destroy our country or constitution, whether it be our own military, or NATO, or non-military organization i could care less who it is.

Also i mentioned we had branches if you couldn't make it into our special forces then you would be sent back to the army, navy, or airforce branch and you could retry again in 10 days. We trained for 8 hours a day, so yes it will full time, that was our job. Just like a militia is meant to be, its their job to defend their country against all enemies. All injuries of our militia members were treated by our own medics, and doctors, we've only had one serious enough injury where we had to bring him to the hospital ourselves.

I don't think you've ever been out in the country then? Where there is acres and acres of land, that you can shoot on. We had ranges set up, etc. We were able to perform land navigation's, and patrols in the woods, the only thing we couldn't train in was water combat, so that made us limited with the navy, we could only train scuba divers, and boat drivers.

Thread is useless without pics?

[pviera11 10]

Thread is useless without pics?

I'm not in it anymore, so no, i wont give out pictures or its name. Want to find it, looks around between Buffalo, New York, and Rochester, New York.

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I can just about hear your voice coming from the bottom of that hole you're digging...

What hole am i digging? Everything i used to do in the militia was perfectly legal, we were protected under the Constitution, if your an American and don't believe in that, then i feel deeply sorry for you, i don't even want you in my country. The Constitution gives us the right to defend it against anyone trying to destroy it, it is not against the law, but our duty.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

What hole am i digging? Everything i used to do in the militia was perfectly legal, we were protected under the Constitution, if your an American and don't believe in that, then i feel deeply sorry for you, i don't even want you in my country.

I never said it was illegal I just doubted the martial efficacy and mental state/intelligence of your members. Given your inability to use English properly I think your hole got a bit deeper.

Also, I'm not American.

[Scrub 0]

Here goes the 'intelligence' pissing match to see who's mental penis is larger - or just to ridicule.. Alynski is alive and well..

Basically, in the end It's OUR right, it's OUR freedom, It's OUR choice to exercise or not. We will not be ruled, we will allow ourselves to be governed by those we elect and approve of. We will not allow ourselves to be victims, by foreign or domestic enemies. And finally, it's probably best put this way - Our country has been going along just fine, minus a few social issues that have now been overcompensated for, and we will not change to a style that cherishes mediocrity. One that chains the achiever by law to the one that does nothing is not kindness, it is totalitarian. Kindness comes from the freedom to choose to be kind. You can't Legislate that.

[pviera11 10]

I never said it was illegal I just doubted the martial efficacy and mental state/intelligence of your members. Given your inability to use English properly I think your hole got a bit deeper.

Also, I'm not American.

I'm not going to start an argument over who can use English properly. I told you everything you needed to know about the militia i was in.

Edited September 11, 2010 by pviera11

[froggyluv 2130]

Here goes the 'intelligence' pissing match to see who's mental penis is larger - or just to ridicule.. Alynski is alive and well..

Basically, in the end It's OUR right, it's OUR freedom, It's OUR choice to exercise or not. We will not be ruled, we will allow ourselves to be governed by those we elect and approve of. We will not allow ourselves to be victims, by foreign or domestic enemies. And finally, it's probably best put this way - Our country has been going along just fine, minus a few social issues that have now been overcompensated for, and we will not change to a style that cherishes mediocrity. One that chains the achiever by law to the one that does nothing is not kindness, it is totalitarian. Kindness comes from the freedom to choose to be kind. You can't Legislate that.

Thats all well and good but mostly it's just rhetoric. Freedom! Who doesn't want freedom? Liberals and Conservatives both want the freedom to do anything they want.

At the end of the day, if there was a region of our country where law and order failed or broke down ie. Katrina aftermath, most Americans would certainly prefer a federal Law Enforcement or even military to interced then some Miltia group who's motives seem to have a secretive underlying current. Look at the above poster, wants to shoot and kill those with different political idealogies, do we wan't guys like him and his miltias running the show during a temporary breakdown in society?

We've all read Lord of the Flies....

[pviera11 10]

Thats all well and good but mostly it's just rhetoric. Freedom! Who doesn't want freedom? Liberals and Conservatives both want the freedom to do anything they want.

At the end of the day, if there was a region of our country where law and order failed or broke down ie. Katrina aftermath, most Americans would certainly prefer a federal Law Enforcement or even military to interced then some Miltia group who's motives seem to have a secretive underlying current. Look at the above poster, wants to shoot and kill those with different political idealogies, do we wan't guys like him and his miltias running the show during a temporary breakdown in society?

We've all read Lord of the Flies....

What secrets do we have? Its God, Country, Liberty, Family, Honour, is that all secretive because we fight for it? Is it secretive because we love it? NO.

We scream out our motives from the hill tops, we aren't scared to say it, we know what we want, and we will die fighting for it. I am not scared, and others like me aren't.

And in Katrina what politicians were there that we would be shooting? They were all evacuated, and most Americans want the federal government to come there? Maybe you do, and people like you, but how about when that federal government goes around disarming all the citizens in that area so they cant defend themselves against robbers, or killers, is that right? No.

How about when the federal government locked them all in a stadium, and locked the doors so they couldn't get out, they let them starve in there, and get rapped, and killed.

How about when they blocked off a highway leading right out of New Orleans where people could walk over it to the next city, and they put the federal troops on that bridge, and they turned back all civilians, and if they dint turn back they would be shot?

How about when the federal government came in, and cut the power lines, can you tell me what reason they did that for?

You want to try and criticize how we would react in an emergency situation but your never seen how we've done it, but i have plenty enough proof of how the government screws up at an emergency situation each time it happens.

Edited September 11, 2010 by pviera11

[froggyluv 2130]

Yes, the gov't did handle Katrina badly i would agree with you.

But think about it for a second... you've already stated that you want to kill those that disagree with you and your idealogy. You've stated it on this forum for all to see. Bush Jr. never took such steps or uttered such words; Obama hasn't either. So basically if you (Militia) was running the show, how exactly is that "more freedom".

It's sounds like Totalitarism or facism to me. you complain about gov't intrusion, but if you were in charge, you'd be outright killing dissenters -how exactly is that "more freedom"?

When Jim Crow laws were still in effect in the South during the 50's & 60's, did the locals help out the Blacks that were being discrimated and or outright murdered by the Klan and their like? Did the State interced on their behalf? It often took the federal gov't to step in in when such crimes against Black americans freedoms were being quashed.

In the same way, there is certainly a need for federal soverignty over local as sometimes the locals are just nuts.

[pviera11 10]

Yes, the gov't did handle Katrina badly i would agree with you.

But think about it for a second... you've already stated that you want to kill those that disagree with you and your idealogy. You've stated it on this forum for all to see. Bush Jr. never took such steps or uttered such words; Obama hasn't either. So basically if you (Militia) was running the show, how exactly is that "more freedom".

It's sounds like Totalitarism or facism to me. you complain about gov't intrusion, but if you were in charge, you'd be outright killing dissenters -how exactly is that "more freedom"?

When Jim Crow laws were still in effect in the South during the 50's & 60's, did the locals help out the Blacks that were being discrimated and or outright murdered by the Klan and their like? Did the State interced on their behalf? It often took the federal gov't to step in in when such crimes against Black americans freedoms were being quashed.

In the same way, there is certainly a need for federal soverignty over local as sometimes the locals are just nuts.

During an emergency i don't see how socialists, or communists, etc. Could some how affect my government, unless if they took over during that emergency, if that wasn't the case, then there would be no need to fight only to work together.

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Yes, the gov't did handle Katrina badly i would agree with you.

But think about it for a second... you've already stated that you want to kill those that disagree with you and your idealogy. You've stated it on this forum for all to see. Bush Jr. never took such steps or uttered such words; Obama hasn't either. So basically if you (Militia) was running the show, how exactly is that "more freedom".

It's sounds like Totalitarism or facism to me. you complain about gov't intrusion, but if you were in charge, you'd be outright killing dissenters -how exactly is that "more freedom"?

When Jim Crow laws were still in effect in the South during the 50's & 60's, did the locals help out the Blacks that were being discriminated and or outright murdered by the Klan and their like? Did the State intercede on their behalf? It often took the federal gov't to step in in when such crimes against Black americans freedoms were being quashed.

In the same way, there is certainly a need for federal soverignty over local as sometimes the locals are just nuts.

Sure now you say oh its sometimes needed for the government to have power of the local and state, but soon enough if you had your way they would get rid of the local and state, and just have federal government completely. I will fight against a socialist, or communist government. Don't stand with that government and you wont be harmed.

Edited September 11, 2010 by pviera11

[Scrub 0]

Rhetoric you say? It is real, it is existing. I have a gun to protect my family, I have sheriff and deputies 3 miles away, State police 5 miles away, there is an Army Reserve built of volunteers 7 miles away, there is a militia in my state (120 miles away but they exist). I don't care about what others do with their freedoms, they choose what they will, this is just one of the options open to them. Rhetoric? You seek to limit freedom.

Your comment about federal sovereignty has limits. Freedom includes the freedom to be intolerant, to discriminate between right and wrong. (The federal government, by the Constitution, is the only entity that cannot discriminate) The early states by the 10th amendment were as diverse as most governments in Europe at that time. Some had their own state religion (the federal government is the only entity that is excluded from defining a religion) Some had social and business restrictions that others didn't like. The point is that you could find a state that held your values and you called home. We valued the freedoms of others -up to the point that it restricted the freedoms of the individual, or was a threat to our way of life- it seems we temporarily lost the concept of both.

BTW Froggy: You seem to be taking the easy path (berating), and letting us do the heavy lifting (exposing our values). Lets reverse this for a bit, ok? Please state your opinions, not compared to anything else, just what you believe in.

To clarify : Locals can definitely be nuts, I don't at all condone the execution or estrangement of people who argue with my opinion, but Big Government is what caused the Holocaust, mass starvation in USSR, and the mass killings in China. Those events killed more people than all the wars in recorded history. Scary, crazy governments. That is why I prefer local nuts over globalist nuts. (Soros)

Edited September 11, 2010 by Scrub

[froggyluv 2130]

Rhetoric you say? It is real, it is existing. I have a gun to protect my family, I have sheriff and deputies 3 miles away, State police 5 miles away, there is an Army Reserve built of volunteers 7 miles away, there is a militia in my state (120 miles away but they exist). I don't care about what others do with their freedoms, they choose what they will, this is just one of the options open to them. Rhetoric? You seek to limit freedom.

I said rhetoric because shouting out "Our freedom! Our gov't! My constitution!" -comes across as "America! Fuck yeah!" :p

I think it's fine that you have a gun to protect your family, I have big guns too (biceps that is) to protect mine :D How exactly do I seek to limit freedom?

The point is that you could find a state that held your values and you called home

So your saying that if you happen to live in a state that legally discriminates against one particular ethnic group, to the point that murder goes unpunished, that the offended party should just move!?! Don't think so, this is the United States of America, not a Confederancy of Dunces.

BTW Froggy: You seem to be taking the easy path (berating), and letting us do the heavy lifting (exposing our values). Lets reverse this for a bit, ok? Please state your opinions, not compared to anything else, just what you believe in.

Lol! Really? My values are most certainly expressed in my responses I'm sorry if they are unclear to you. I consider myself a hardcore moderate, some of my views would be considered entrenched in the Conservative camp, others in the Liberal camp -but they are all my own from a lifetime of watching how things work in society, and more so how the masses respond. My conservative views (very unpopular for the part of the country I live in -a PC Mecca) are my own in that i do not feel the need to espouse them upon others -merely the rules and conduct of how I live my life.

If you have a specific question, I'd be happy to answer :)

Edit- Also Scrub, look what i'm am responding to. A Christian America who basically wants to overthrow the Gov't ASAP -and says he speaks for others who want to do the same. My response to him is no different than if this were a Muslim American speaking in the same manner. Law and Order above all else.

Edited September 11, 2010 by froggyluv

[pviera11 10]

I said rhetoric because shouting out "Our freedom! Our gov't! My constitution!" -comes across as "America! Fuck yeah!" :p

I think it's fine that you have a gun to protect your family, I have big guns too (biceps that is) to protect mine :D How exactly do I seek to limit freedom?

So your saying that if you happen to live in a state that legally discriminates against one particular ethnic group, to the point that murder goes unpunished, that the offended party should just move!?! Don't think so, this is the United States of America, not a Confederancy of Dunces.

Lol! Really? My values are most certainly expressed in my responses I'm sorry if they are unclear to you. I consider myself a hardcore moderate, some of my views would be considered entrenched in the Conservative camp, others in the Liberal camp -but they are all my own from a lifetime of watching how things work in society, and more so how the masses respond. My conservative views (very unpopular for the part of the country I live in -a PC Mecca) are my own in that i do not feel the need to espouse them upon others -merely the rules and conduct of how I live my life.

If you have a specific question, I'd be happy to answer :)

Edit- Also Scrub, look what i'm am responding to. A Christian America who basically wants to overthrow the Gov't ASAP -and says he speaks for others who want to do the same. My response to him is no different than if this were a Muslim American speaking in the same manner. Law and Order above all else.

Now you try to show me as a religious nut, this is getting better, and better. As Ive said 5 times before, Muslims, the Jewish, and Christians have the same gods, i count them as my brothers, and sisters, i would fight along side them like they would fight along side with me. If i said i wanted to overthrow the government, and i dint want to replace it with a government then that would would be anarchy, but I'm not. I want to overthrow our current democracy with a republic. Also you are the one supporting a democracy, and a democracy has shown many times to infringe on peoples rights, and show that the majority is the minorities dictator, you are the one limiting freedoms, not us.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

That's why he's not in the militia anymore... No autoaim in rl.

Also, amazed at the scale of this epic fail. Defend your right to be "free" by stealing software?

Edited September 11, 2010 by TechnoTerrorist303

[Scrub 0]

I said rhetoric because shouting out "Our freedom! Our gov't! My constitution!" -comes across as "America! Fuck yeah!" :p [/Quote]

Well, yes.. There is that too :p We have the best damn (imperfect) system there is, but it is (for some time) being eroded by people using fear, worry and very little solid data.

I think it's fine that you have a gun to protect your family, I have big guns too (biceps that is) to protect mine :D How exactly do I seek to limit freedom? [/Quote]

I initially thought you were deriding the concept of militias as a whole, but by your comment above, seems you are ok with the 2nd amendment. Militias are nothing more than organized families to protect the environment families grow in.

So your saying that if you happen to live in a state that legally discriminates against one particular ethnic group, to the point that murder goes unpunished, that the offended party should just move!?! Don't think so, this is the United States of America, not a Confederancy of Dunces.[/Quote]

You probably wrote this before I could clarify my statements.. Sorry for the lack of timeliness, but you guys have been going back and forth for MANY pages, and I'm a bit behind the curve of the conversation. Short answer: NO. Murder is murder. What I speak of is there were states that you couldn't swear in, or had to grow a beard, or couldn't drink alcohol, or had 'X' state religion. The problem of discrimination now, is there is clamoring for tolerance, but intolerance for those who it's demanded of (it's just a different form of discrimination), there is still racial discrimination going on in all directions for political gain, or local power. However, you must be able to discriminate (that is to define a line separating a span) between good and bad, right and wrong. We as individuals have that right. The gauge that is used is either absolute or relative.. And the relativists are sliding.

Lol! Really? My values are most certainly expressed in my responses I'm sorry if they are unclear to you. I consider myself a hardcore moderate, some of my views would be considered entrenched in the Conservative camp, others in the Liberal camp -but they are all my own from a lifetime of watching how things work in society, and more so how the masses respond. My conservative views (very unpopular for the part of the country I live in -a PC Mecca) are my own in that i do not feel the need to espouse them upon others -merely the rules and conduct of how I live my life.[/Quote]

What I meant is you have responded with pieces and parts in response to, and in relation of, anothers post and not in a whole. I agree that people shouldn't force views on others, being a conservative is to live your life to the best values you can and encourage others to do the same, and the admonishment is to the self as well, to improve.

If you have a specific question, I'd be happy to answer :)

What's your favorite ice cream? lol. The specifics are only the results of the values and ideals driving them. The 'rhetoric' you speak of is the nebulous cloud that they are generated in. The true composition of these ideals is most important (before any action takes place) because it points the general direction of the person on many levels. Wow, but text is such an un-expressive medium to convey these thoughts in.

infamous: Just thought I should share this all with you before it continues any further [/Quote]

Eek! Thank you.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Scrub

[Big Mac 19]

Hows that union working out for you?

Better than your uber duber militia that doesn't exist. I love how you said you consider your imaginary militia unit better than USSF. I guess anything is possible in imagination land.. Edited September 11, 2010 by Big Mac

[froggyluv 2130]

@scrub -good post and thanks for clarifying :)

The topic of "forced tolerance" is indeed a tricky one as nobody can be forced to like or tolerate others and most attempts to do so backfire with resentment and "tit-for-tat" arguments. I think it does become a matter of a greater soverignty be it local, state or federal when intolerances become greater than just a dislike into violence or even legalized violence in the case of the 50's South.

For instance, while i lived in the Carribean, race relations were very good in comparison to the Continental, but the Majority was reversed with Blacks having the majority of legislative, judicial and law enforcement powers. There were a few instances of white relocators being harrassed and even beaten up by local cops (I knew them both) over something trivial but the judicial system would not support the relocators who were eventually forced to move under threat for their lives. Corruption in the police dept. got so bad, that eventually Federal Marshall's were required to come down (knew them as well) and try to clean up the situation. Racial tensions briefly flared with whites crying racism, but eventually everything settled down and most corrupt cops were removed.

It is in cases such as these, no matter whom the offending party is, that we the people are in need of a greater branch of authority to enforce the law -when the Locals become blind to justice by their sense of loyalty. If the matter had been left as is, people would have taken up arms and the Island would be in chaos.

@Infamous: Lol, now another software pirate in this thread decrying loss of freedom! William Wallace would not be impressed...

Edited September 11, 2010 by froggyluv

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

@Infamous: Lol, now another software pirate in this thread decrying loss of freedom! William Wallace would not be impressed...

It gets even better :)

from another forum...

Hello i am looking for a hack for everquest 2. I need an item duplicator made for it and once you have made it i am willing to pay you 30% of all the sales each week or i am willing to pay out a flat rate fee no matter what the price is. If you are willing to go into bussines with me all you will have to do after the item duplcaitor is make sure its undetactble and if there is a pacth just up grade it. Also if you go into bussines with me you will be paid over 50 thousand dollars yearly. If you are interstred please send me a message.

But that's enough of the character assasination. What were we originally talking about?

[froggyluv 2130]

Lol, so thats his big business eh? He shamed me for not making as much as him with my new business (an actual registered LLC) but alas the big bucks were in pirated video game objects ?!? all along...

:(

[Infam0us 10]

It gets even better :)

from another forum...

But that's enough of the character assasination. What were we originally talking about?

Nice find mate :)

TechnoTerrorist tells me that he's deleted all the posts on that forum now. I think that says it all really ;)

[maddogx 13]

Nice find mate :)

TechnoTerrorist tells me that he's deleted all the posts on that forum now. I think that says it all really ;)

Google cached websites FTW.

[Zipper5 74]

Lol, who asks on the internet if it's legal to start a militia in New York state? Seriously, that's something I thought I'd never see. The internet's just a barrel of fun. :D

One can only hope Placebo's chargin' his banhammer... :p

[echo1 0]

I still want to know where this militia is and what it is called...

I want to join - I'm an ex-Marine Delta SEAL, and the boathouse in Hereford is pink with polka dots.