Russian terror attack twarted - Mine laden car

[Tovarish 0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...._bomb_2

Quote[/b] ]MOSCOW - Police stopped a man driving a car wired with land mines and explosives in downtown Moscow early Saturday, Russian security officials said.

The man, detained by Moscow police around 1 a.m., told police he had been paid $1,000 to park two cars with explosives in them along a Moscow street frequently used by top government officials, said the duty officer at the Federal Security Service.

The officer said the man later suffered a heart attack and died while in police custody, but he refused to elaborate.

Police later located a second car in a residential neighborhood in central Moscow and used a water cannon to open it. No explosives were found but residents of nearby buildings were evacuated as a precaution, said the officer, who refused to give his name.

After the man in the first car was stopped, police questioned him and found two land mines and seven ounces of TNT in the car. The mines were connected with wires and had an antenna attached to them.

Russian law enforcement officials are on heightened alert following a string of terrorist attacks over the past month, including the near-simultaneous bombings of two passenger jets, a suicide bombing outside a Moscow subway station and the school hostage-taking in Beslan that ended in a hail of gunfire and explosions.

More than 430 people have been killed in the attacks, with some 338 of those deaths coming during the school massacre.

At least they got this one. As for the driver, good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Acecombat 0]

Hmm i wonder how that 'heart attack' happened? ....

[Tovarish 0]

I for one hope it happened slowly and painfully.

[bn880 5]

Hehe, I hope you wished the same for 19 year old consripts who did things in Chechnya.

This is all retaliation. When an army strikes civilians are killed, when a terrorist strikes civilians are killed too... great eh.

[Wilco 944]

Hehe, I hope you wished the same for 19 year old consripts who did things in Chechnya.  

This is all retaliation.  When an army strikes civilians are killed, when a terrorist strikes civilians are killed too...  great eh.

War isn't pretty, not pretty at all..

[Tovarish 0]

Hehe, I hope you wished the same for 19 year old consripts who did things in Chechnya.

This is all retaliation. When an army strikes civilians are killed, when a terrorist strikes civilians are killed too... great eh.

For those soldiers that target civilians, sure, no matter what nationalities are involved.

*edit* If you want my opinion on Chechnya, the first war was unjustified, and I don't agree with a lot of what happened during the second war, such as shelling of major population areas. But after the Moscow appartment bombings and invasion of Dagestan after the war was over and the Chechens had de facto independence, I share the Russian government's position that the rebels must be eliminated. What else could be done? Unfortunately, it seems that the line between Chechen civilian and rebel are very blurry.

[bn880 5]

Yeah I know it's a mess, but: you are doing something which you are being pointed towards but is actually an injustice;

for example, when Chechens were being killed indiscriminantly in large numbers, we had barely any mention of it, if at all. Just numbers after all is done. When Russians are now killed because of more less the same conflict, it's all over the news, it is like you get to see every innocent Russian killed on TV, but can you imagine if we were to see every innocent Chechen killed like that. Nothing else would be on TV...

Media magically covers the loss of the powerfull side more than the underdog, especially when the mass media is funded, founded, and can only exist in these powerful/stable nations.

[Apollo 0]

this new though luckily thwarted attempt only just prove's that the attacks will continue as with the situation as it is.

It's easy to just blame people for the attacks and keep it at that ,it's harder to actually do something to prevent a percentage of the terrorism ,like making reforms and changes in the millitary ,maybe actually using professional soldiers in Chechnya and making more strickter laws and control on soldier misconduct ,or do something about the life conditions of the people of this shelled to the ground country ,like rebuilding infrastructure and promote circumstances that will reinitiate corperate innitiative.

Btw. note to the moderator's ,instead of having multiple thread's on seperate attacks on the Russian federation from Chechens wich seem to be plentiful only this month alone ,shouldn't we better have a "the Chechen conflict" thread? (or any other name)

Not that it has to be made sticky like the Iraq war thread ,just a central place to discuss the frequent attacks and the multiple debate's often with the same content shattered over multiple thread's.Maybe just rename the Beslam thread.

[FSPilot 0]

So wait a minute, when a prisoner dies in US custody there's a big international scene about it. But when a prisoner dies in Russian custody you hope it happened slowly and painfully?

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]So wait a minute, when a prisoner dies in US custody there's a big international scene about it. But when a prisoner dies in Russian custody you hope it happened slowly and painfully?

Maybe it was just a slow and painful heart attack .

[EiZei 0]

Suicide?

[theavonlady 2]

If I was punch drunk and hauled away to a basement in the FSS (formerly the KGB) I might have had a heart attack, too.

That's why I drink green tea.

[kerosene 0]

I wonder if western governments and media outlets completley refusing to acknowledge what goes on inside Chechnya has contributed to this wave of attacks?

I guess the reason theres no outcry when stuff like this happens in Russia becuase unlike in western nations, they dont usually seem to try and justify what they do, or not as strenuously ayway.

[Apollo 0]

Quote[/b] ]I wonder if western governments and media outlets completley refusing to acknowledge what goes on inside Chechnya has contributed to this wave of attacks?

Well ,the US is more vocal about it with politica criticism (like on the new centralization move) ,but is fighting it's own war on terrorism and isn't criticizing Russia to much on that part.

The European media is quite vocal actually ,but the EU as an official body is something a lot different.

Why did Estonia stop with hosting Kavkaz center? I think one of the Reason might have been just sheer Fear of the Russian fedderation ,the baltic states been occupied long enough and they joined NATO as soon as possible when they had independance as a security measuere agianst Russia ,i'm pretty sure that sort of fear for russia is still embedded in Baltic politics.And since the baltics have joined the EU ,the EU is now also a direct neighbour of Russia ,and that has certain political implications ,certainly i think the EU doesn't want to anger Russia to much.

Another thing is the future prospects of Russian-European relations ,Russia is more and more becoming very important for Europe for the importation of resources ,not at the least oil ,while Russia is more and more trying to move towards the EU to maybe in the future even have the possibilety to join ,in any case european investers are important for Russia.As for the moment ,Russia and the EU are graduatly improving their relations for economical reasons ,they have both to gain at a better coorperation ,criticism by EU officials on such controversial political matter's wouldn't help this proces.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]FSS (formerly the KGB)

Isn´t it FSB ?

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]FSS (formerly the KGB)

Isn´t it FSB ?  

I simply stuttered in fear thinking about them.

[Balschoiw 0]

I guess a Mossad fighting cat like you doesn´t need to be afraid of anything....except broken fingernails maybe

[Tovarish 0]

So wait a minute, when a prisoner dies in US custody there's a big international scene about it. But when a prisoner dies in Russian custody you hope it happened slowly and painfully?

Fs, do you love arguing with me so much that you never stop to think? When have I ever said Osama for example should be handled with velvet gloves if he were captured? I'm not talking about some random Chechen who got arrested with little or no evidence by Russian "allies" who were offered bounties for turning over prisioners (as happened with the US in Afghanistan) and shipped off to an internment camp and brutalized - I'm talking about some asshole who actually got caught driving a vehicle full of explosives in the middle of a city, with the end purpose of killing a large number of civilians. Thinking of the things I would like done to anyone targetting civilians in that manner, I might qualify as a sadistic bastard.

[FSPilot 0]

I just think it's funny how you react differently when two different countries do the exact same thing. Almost as if you're biased or something.

[Acecombat 0]

Atleast the guy wasnt attacking average civilians with no say on politics he was atleast going for the real folks who's personal interest make it all happen.

Most politicians in todays world are nothing more then lying corrupt basta*ds , if some of those die i wont feel too sorry for them.

But then all out bombing isnt a right idea thye should go for assasinations the silent way , point and drop the guy that way it all stays clean and only the guy whos brewing the sh!t up gets it.

[Major Gripe 0]

I just think it's funny how you react differently when two different countries do the exact same thing.  Almost as if you're biased or something.

Wholesale round up of Afghani men and boys merely suspected of terrorist activities and the arrest by the Russian authorities of a single person clearly on a mission which would most likely have killed innocent civilians cannot, no matter how warped your view, be called the exact same thing.

Whatever happened to reading other peoples posts?? If you read this post below FS you might not have posted such an ignorant comment!!

Quote[/b] ]Tovarish Posted on Sep. 19 2004,21:54

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Quote (FSPilot @ Sep. 18 2004,23:52)

So wait a minute, when a prisoner dies in US custody there's a big international scene about it.  But when a prisoner dies in Russian custody you hope it happened slowly and painfully?

Fs, do you love arguing with me so much that you never stop to think? When have I ever said Osama for example should be handled with velvet gloves if he were captured? I'm not talking about some random Chechen who got arrested with little or no evidence by Russian "allies" who were offered bounties for turning over prisioners (as happened with the  US in Afghanistan) and shipped off to an internment camp and brutalized - I'm talking about some asshole who actually got caught driving a vehicle full of explosives in the middle of a city, with the end purpose of killing a large number of civilians. Thinking of the things I would like done to anyone targetting civilians in that manner, I might qualify as a sadistic bastard.

[FSPilot 0]

Wholesale round up of Afghani men and boys merely suspected of terrorist activities and the arrest by the Russian authorities of a single person clearly on a mission which would most likely have killed innocent civilians cannot, no matter how warped your view, be called the exact same thing.

Whatever happened to reading other peoples posts?? If you read this post below FS you might not have posted such an ignorant comment!!

Speaking of reading other people's posts, how about you give it a shot?  I never mentioned arresting people, I'm talking about killing them under interrogation.

The Russians killed this man, then blamed it on a heart attack.  Americans did essentially the same thing in Cuba.  When we did it there's a huge international outcry, but when Russia does it people hope it was slow and painful?  Looks like a double standard to me.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Looks like a double standard to me.

Really ? Is there democracy in Russia and it´s former fellow states ?

Is there ?

[Tovarish 0]

I just think it's funny how you react differently when two different countries do the exact same thing. Almost as if you're biased or something.

The wall is back, I can bang my head against it some more . Notice I bolded anyone in my post, and went as far as to explain the difference between this and what goes on in Guantanamo. I see others here got it, but of course, not you.

[FSPilot 0]

The only difference between this and what goes on in Guantanamo is who's doing it.  As far as you know this Russian prisoner had nothing to do with Chechen bombs.  You're just taking the Russian's word for it.  If Americans were involved in this you'd be all over the internet looking up .orgs who say otherwise and taking their word for it.