Mysterious signals from 1000 light years away

[DarkLight 0]

So thats whats on the other side!

Hmm i just thought the moon was a big ball of cheese... nothing special about it

[shinRaiden 0]

Why do you all try to put God in a itty-bitty box? Genesis (For all you CJM folks) sez God built the heavens and earth, so there's no 'ban' on other people or planets elsewhere. But I digress.

Anyway, this came across today on slashdot: Pioneers consistantly off-track

Basically, the two pioneer probes have not been where they were 'supposed' to be in a consistent fashion since passing Pluto.

Quote[/b] ]By the time the two spaceships had swept beyond Pluto, they noted there were persistent anomalies in their trajectories. Every time they looked the Pioneers were in the wrong place. The effect was not large, but it was significant. Something more than the Sun's gravity appeared to have a grip on the craft.

Furthermore, they have no idea why thats happening

Quote[/b] ]The reasons for the anomaly have caused a rift among physicists, however. Some believe the effect may simply be flaws with the probes. Gas from fuel tanks may be leaking from them, slowing their passages, say some astronomers. 'Unless there is really good evidence to the contrary, we should stick to simple ideas like these and not go around blaming strange new types of particle or flaws in general relativity,' said Professor Martin Barstow, of Leicester University.

But this view has been rejected by Anderson. (JPL-Pasedena) 'It's hard to imagine such a leak happening on both probes at the same time in such a way as to produce an identical acceleration,' he said.

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Quote[/b] ]The reasons for the anomaly have caused a rift among physicists, however. Some believe the effect may simply be flaws with the probes. Gas from fuel tanks may be leaking from them, slowing their passages, say some astronomers. 'Unless there is really good evidence to the contrary, we should stick to simple ideas like these and not go around blaming strange new types of particle or flaws in general relativity,' said Professor Martin Barstow, of Leicester University.

But this view has been rejected by Anderson. (JPL-Pasedena) 'It's hard to imagine such a leak happening on both probes at the same time in such a way as to produce an identical acceleration,' he said.

Parden my ignorance but could it be that there's some sort of a solar atmosphere barrier that ends somewhere after Pluto, similar to the way there's a borderline between the earth's atmosphere, from which point objects are pulled down to earth and above that point they float in space?

I'm working for the Nobel here.

[shinRaiden 0]

That's been brought up before recently as a novel concept by those who previously based their calculations and work on the idea that space was 'empty'. The concern was about voyager getting battered to bits going through the transition zone. Probably the same guys though.

[Pathy 0]

I've always said....what would finally bring peace on earth? Give us an alien race to fight and we'd have a common goal

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

I've always said....what would finally bring peace on earth? Give us an alien race to fight and we'd have a common goal  

The sad thing is, that this is probably true

[BoweryBaker 0]

Maybe they called for me. Maybe its time for me to come home.

[Sniper_Panther 0]

[im]http://www.alienspiontochter.de/alien/we_are_not_alone.jpg[/img]

Let's just hope that it is Elvis coming back home

EDIT: But I do belive that we are not totaly alone.

It's many milions of galaxies, what is the chance that we are the only one that exist? But will never gone find that out, do we?

[USSRsniper 0]

I actually believ in Aliens because there cant be only HUMANS in whole space  

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Sniper_Panther remove image tags when quoting.

[DarkLight 0]

Personally i think it'd be great if there'd be other life out there... creatures that can communicate with us and that are friendly would be nice for a change

I think it'd be great if aliens would come visit us once in a while

Sad enough, the chance that i'll ever see one of those is very very very small

And even IF we do find some of those little green bastards then we'd probably nuke them to pieces like we always do

Or we'd teach them that violence is the easiest way to solve things... just nuke everything to pieces and pretend that nooothing happened...

Gotta love our beeauuutiful blue planet muhahaha

You know...

I don't really care about dying, well... i do... but not that much The only thing that i really find disturbing is that i'll never know what the universe is... If you think about it, once, a looooong time ago SOMETHING happened...

Something MUST've happened... if nothing would've happened then we wouldn't 've been here...

Damn i love the mysteries of life... death, universe, etc

I think those are great things but i REALLY REALLY REALLY want to know the truth about these things

And i know i never will... except for death of course... but what's so fucking special about that, we all die...

DAMN I DONT WANNE DIE, I WANNE KNOW WHATS OUT THERE

And i never will

Oh well... i'll just enjoy my life now i still can

[Balschoiw 0]

Thanks for the inside DarkLight view. Whenever I am tempted to think you are a bit mad, you just manage to keep your car on the road and master the curve Dark Light. I like that.

Remembers me very much of me as a teenager...

Spooooooooky times  

I think it´s kind of limited to think about aliens within our range of view. Our body and sensoric system may not detect things that are there. We are limited to our planet´s view.

Who says that in another sensoric world a guy wouldn´t hover right next to you.

Think about it. We humans described all this here. That´s why we have a name and an explanation for almost everything.

We have created additional instruments that can detect things we can´t.

But how can we be certain that we are the only ones in this big human defined universe ?

I´m not that sure about that, but I´ll take my own principles with me when I should meet one:

If you can´t eat it, or f*** it then kill it !      

[ran 0]

I´m not that sure about that, but I´ll take my own principles with me when I should meet one:

If you can´t eat it, or f*** it then kill it !

I like that

We defined what our reality was, but what says we are right ?

[DarkLight 0]

Thanks for the inside DarkLight view. Whenever I am tempted to think you are a bit mad, you just manage to keep your car on the road and master the curve Dark Light. I like that.

Remembers me very much of me as a teenager...

Spooooooooky times  

Quote from myself:

Quote[/b] ]Some people say that I'm crazy, I say that I'm special

I love sharing my crazy fucked up opinions with others

As i quoted, i'm not mad, i'm just a little bit... special

Oh well... personally i think being "special" makes my life a lot more fun and interesting!

Basically... i'm crazy to the bone but i try to act normal most of the time... just to avoid big problems...

Oh well... i'm happy about who i am, i have enough friends and a better social life than 80% of all you computernerds out there ( ;) ) so why should i care about my mental problems?

Quote[/b] ]I think it´s kind of limited to think about aliens within our range of view. Our body and sensoric system may not detect things that are there. We are limited to our planet´s view.

Who says that in another sensoric world a guy wouldn´t hover right next to you.

Think about it. We humans described all this here. That´s why we have a name and an explanation for almost everything.

We have created additional instruments that can detect things we can´t.

But how can we be certain that we are the only ones in this big human defined universe ?

I´m not that sure about that, but I´ll take my own principles with me when I should meet one:

If you can´t eat it, or f*** it then kill it !

You can always fuck it, then kill it and then eat it... that's fun too you know!

Nah seriously, i'm also convinced that if there are aliens out there, they most likely aren't green men with glowing fingers or crap like that...

That's the hardest part i guess, we simply don't know what to look for...

[BoweryBaker 0]

Maybe they look just like us. And wear capes.

[DarkLight 0]

Maybe they look just like us.  And wear capes.

I seriously doubt it...

LONDON (Reuters) - A campaigner dressed as Batman, from a fathers' rights group that pelted Prime Minister Tony Blair with flour-filled condoms, has caused a major security breach by scaling the front wall of Buckingham Palace.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPac....on=news

[Apollo 0]

Although that the chances of alien lifeforms out there are probably hughe ,the chances of an inteligent lifeform are there by a lesser extent ,and the chances of an intelligent lifeform being there long enough to develop technoligy to travel over the hughe space in speed are there in an even much lesser extent.And then the chances that such a lifeform would reach us is there in an even lesser extent.

We have to take into account the fact that there are millions of lifeforms on earth and that only 1 of them is intelligent enough to this point to create space travel technoligy ,most bioligists will state that evolving into an intelligent lifeform is by no way a logical evolution rahter a kinda weird sideeffect of nature.

Then there is the chance that this intelligent lifeform become's extinct because of the nature of it's own planet before it can develop any worthwile technoligy's ,for ex. by predators or diseases ,and there is the chance that the intelligent lifeform become's extinct because of the nature of object's beyond it's planet ,or otherwise said there are million's of meteorites out there and we can call ourself quite lucky that in those millions of years that we are present on this earth no killer meteorite has struck us into extinction.Given the millions of years that it has taken us to come to the point of space travel ,say that such a killer meteorite could have struck for ex in 1900 ad there would have been nothing that we could have done to prevent our own extinction.And space is full of killer object's ,a burned out star ,a killer black hole sucking up hundreds of solar systems or so many other thing's.

ANd then there is also the possibilety that we get extinct by our own intelligence.Given the logic that any planet with possibilety's for lifeforms will probably feature a large amount of lifeforms because of the nature of evolution ,it's quite logical that any intelligent lifeform on an inhabitable would have gotten aggresive elements from such an biodiverse enviroment ,afterall the lifeform has to atleast defend itself from the other lifeforms that may either eat it (or the intelligent lifeform has to eat itself) ,or even if the lifeforms on such a planet could receive energy from non-biologic material over poppulation would soon force the lifeforms to make some space.

We come rellativly un-extinct out of the cold war but that was by now means an guaranteed outcome ,and the prospect of a nuclear holocoast still can't be elliminated.That has many to do with our own agressive nature and the evolution over the relative vast space of the earth that has led to elements like nationalism and raciality ,wich is probable to happen to intelligent lifeforms on other planets to as there is an evolution to be made to shorten the distances of the planet by technoligy.

And then afcourse there is the possibilety of limits to speed of space travel against humongues distances,the chances of attrition in that vast killer enviroment and sheer vast space of the hughe 3 dimensional.

From out earth there are trillions of directions that a rocket could go to into space and those directions would increase over distance traveled ,a sheer micrometer to the left that a space rocket could have shot from out of earth and going in a straith direction could mean missing out on thousands of intelligent of lifeforms space by the fact that after billions of lightyears traveled the distance between that micrometer from it's originating point would by then be millions of lightyears.

Then ubrhaupt the chances that this rocket could even travel that hughe amount of distance would be small as millions of killer obejects could kill it in it's travel ,ranging again from a meteorite that could travel at a speed of millions of lightyears undetectable for that rocket due to the hughe speed of that meteorite to black hole's wich presumably are invisible.

And finnaly ,even at a speed of millions of lightyears it would tak a hughe amount of generations to even travel a by the standards of space size a notable distance into space ,and we are far from developing engine's that can travel even at a speed of 1 lightyear.

So while the chances of alien lifeforms being out there is space are hughe ,the chances of such a lifeform albeit reaching us are very slim indeed.