chops 111 Posted August 15, 2005 Interesting article about that sniper (previous page). I agree with you Quicksand, hard to fault people fighting the occupying forces, but Zarqarwi and his minions are murderers, plain and simple, they have no objective, other than killing. I remember there was a video released last year of some Iraqi insurgents threatening to kill Zarqarwi, if he didn't stop killing Iraqis and other civillians. Wonder what happened to them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quicksand 0 Posted August 15, 2005 Quote[/b] ]I agree with you Quicksand, hard to fault people fighting the occupying forces, but Zarqarwi and his minions are murderers, plain and simple, they have no objective, other than killing. I remember there was a video released last year of some Iraqi insurgents threatening to kill Zarqarwi, if he didn't stop killing Iraqis and other civillians. Wonder what happened to them Iraqi Insurgents protect Shiites from Zarqawi Quote[/b] ]CAIRO , August 14, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) – In a show of national unity, dozens of Iraqi Sunnis have defended their Shiite neighbors against attempts by foreign militants to drive them out of the western city of Ramadi , a leading US newspaper reported Sunday, August 14. "We don't accept that a non-Iraqi should try to enforce his control over Iraqis, regardless of their sect — whether Sunnis, Shiites, Arabs or Kurds," said Sheikh Ahmad Khanjar, leader of the Albu Ali clan, referring to the group of Al-Qaeda's front man in Iraq, Abu Musab Zarqawi. "We have had enough of his nonsense." A one-hour fierce battle involving automatic weapons and grenade launchers left two Sunni tribal fighters and five Zarqawi's followers killed, according to residents and hospital workers. With the ferocity of the clashes, the militants were forced to flee in pickup trucks stripped of license plates, witnesses added. Zarqawi's followers had posted warnings to the Shiite residents in the city to leave within 48 hours in retaliation for the alleged expulsion of Sunnis from the Shiite-predominantly south. Hearing the warnings, members of the Sunni Dulaimi tribe set up cordons around Shiite homes in the Ramadi's neighborhood of Sejarriyah and Tameem to defend them. Statements posted on walls declared, in the name of the Iraqi-led Mohammed's Army group, that "Zarqawi has lost his direction" and strayed "from the line of true resistance against the occupation." Zarqawi had claimed responsibility for many attacks targeting Shiites across Iraq, the latest being a suicide bombing in the southern town of Al-Musayyib on July 17 killing at least 70 people and wounding 95. Binding Ties The Saturday's clashes between the Sunni Arabs and Zarqawi's militants in defense of Shiites are the clearest evidence on the Iraqi national unity, said the American daily. "So many ties of friendship, marriage and compassion bind Shiites and Sunnis in Ramadi," said Ali Hussein Lifta, a 50-year-old Shiite resident. Lifta, who is an air-conditioning repairman, said he was not surprised at the Sunni move. "We have become in fact part of the population here, and this we are going to convey to the rest of Iraq and to those who want to instill division between Sunnis and Shiites." Last April, Iraqi authorities alleged that Sunni militants were holding hundreds of Shiites hostage in Al-Maden town, south of Baghdad , a claim that proved fabricated later and raised eyebrows. "We are happy to know that the ties with the Sunnis have become so strong that the Zarqawis and their terrorism cannot affect them," said Lifta. I've also read a credible article asessing that Zarqawi is nothing more then mere tool used by the Iraqi resistance leaders to be able to stay in the shadow.He exists no doubt,he is a maniac and diserves to be tortured in prison for the rest of his life but his influence in the insurgency is limited.It is not his group who set up abushes that kill a dozen US soldiers nor is his group the bulk of the insurgency. His group is only the one that grabs the headline by pure criminal attacks which seek to inflict as much civillian casualites as possible and manipulate the internet the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 20, 2005 You've been in Iraq too long when: When mortars land near your compound and you roll over in bed and think "still way off, I got another 5 minutes" When you start humming with the Arabic song playing on the radio on the shuttle bus Every woman that reports to your unit starts looking attractive You walk an extra 6 blocks to eat at the KBR (contractor run) dining facility to have the exact same food they are serving in your dining facility because you think it tastes better You actually volunteer for convoy security duty because you still haven't seen the country yet You start picturing your wife in traditional Arab dress The contractors have more fire power than the military combat units. (This is true) You take the time to add your lines to this list You've spent $200 dollars at Haji mart on DVDs buying Basic Instinct, 9 and Ë weeks, and Body of Evidence just for the sex scenes You drink the water from the tap because you want to drop 20 pounds in two weeks Driving around in SUVs with weapons pointed out the windows and forcing cars off the road seems very normal to you You can put your body armor and helmet on in the dark in under 5 seconds When the organization you work for has changed its name more than 3 times When you can actually talk to people in the United States on a cell phone, yet you can't get people on their cell phone a block away When you actually spend more time writing e-mail about the dog in the compound versus how to conduct the fight in Najaf Your idea of a fun Thursday night is to go to the Palace pool to watch the State Department folks get drunk, naked and try to pick each other up When you actually get excited to get a package that contains 3 pair of socks, 12 bars of soap and a Victoria Secret Catalog When you start to enjoy the rocking of the trailer every time the MEDEVAC choppers fly over You memorized every episode from the 4th Season of Sex in the City You enjoy the audience commentary while watching a movie bought at Haji mart You see celebratory fire going over the compound at night and think, "wow the colors are so pretty" and want to fire back Your thinking of buying real estate in the green zone Your idea of sex is 20 minutes of Instant Messaging with your wife on the computer, OK, 10 minutes, who are you kidding? You wake up and think Baghdad, I am still in friggin Baghdad You make the new guy show you his count down timer just to make you feel better about your time you have left in country You're in the Army and you start saying Ooorah You're in the Marines and you start saying Hooah You're in the Navy and you realize you are in the middle of the desert, the exact opposite of being in the middle of the ocean, where one might normally find the Navy. You only notice the stench of Haji funk when its not there You plan on removing all trees and grass in your yard when you get home so it will look more natural You forget there are other colors than brown that can be found in places other than power point slides The temp drops down to 102 degrees and you shiver while reaching for your Gortex jacket You have noticed a change of season, from long, hot and dry to short, cold and wet. When you go on R&R, you duct tape your child to the roof of your car, hand him a pellet rifle, and assign him a sector of fire for the ride to "The Olive Garden." When you can comfortably shave and brush your teeth using bottled water, but don't mind showering in the "non-potable" local water. While on R&R, you look out the window and find Nature, which leads you to wonder who stole your sandbags. When some of the contractors wear their DCUs (Desert pattern camouflage uniform) more properly than some of your soldiers. When 12 hours is a short work day When, During the BUA, "DIV asked MNSTC-I for the FRAGO that MNC-I was supposed to publish, but couldn't because MNF-I hadn't weighed in, since they were too inundated with MOD and MOI war-gaming the JCCs within the ISF to square us away!" is a valid comment and generates no questions. When you start using words like G'day mate, Cheers, and Bloody hell as part of your normal vocabulary When you have your opinions printed in the STARS and STRIPES more than 3 times When the palace catches fire and instead of helping to put it out you grab a bag of marshmallows and start roasting When you end every phone conversation with "Out" When you're ordered to get an air mission together on short notice because it's a "Hot priority" only to have the Major call back once he is in the air to ask "Does anyone know where I am going?" When the weapon buyback program has become so successful that you have issued the same AK-47 to the Iraqi army 3 times When you can actually tell the difference between the sound of an exploding car and an exploding mortar When on R & R you tell your wife that your weapon status is Red and your looking for the clearing barrel When on R&R you go to Church and wonder why no one is wearing body armor or carrying an automatic weapon to the service You yell at the FNG for shouting incoming when the rounds don't impact close enough to hit your tent with dirt You know that you need to run inside immediately after any win of an Iraqi sports team to keep from being hit by celebratory fire You decide for that for ****s and giggles - lets take a run around Lost Lake at Camp Victory to see if we can get shot at by the sniper You never worry about oversleeping because if the morning call to prayers doesn't wake you, the daily 0430 mortar attack will (most mornings) The highlight of your shopping experience at the PX is to see that they got in a new shipment of Schick Tracer razor blades You send out your laundry and your whites become grayer, your blacks become grayer and your DCU's become grayer - makes it easier to sort loads... You get offended by people wearing clean, pressed DCU's You decide that it is a better course of action to pull your blankets over your head than put on your body armor during a mortar attack - the woobee will save you and at least you are comfortable You make a contest out of seeing who can wear their uniform for more days before becoming entirely disgusted with themselves You find it completely acceptable to pick your nose while talking to a complete stranger or member of the opposite sex A rocket or a mortar really isn't a big deal until the crater it leaves is big enough to trip over in the dark on the way to the latrine You go to a social gathering and intermittent gun fire or explosions don't even cause a pause in the conversation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chops 111 Posted August 20, 2005 Been on BIS Forums too long when you can be bothered to read all of that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EiZei 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Funny shit. Quote[/b] ]When the weapon buyback program has become so successful that you have issued the same AK-47 to the Iraqi army 3 times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted August 20, 2005 You've been in Iraq too long when:When 12 hours is a short work day meh, you dont need to be in the military to realize that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted August 22, 2005 GOP senator says Iraq looking like Vietnam Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON - A leading Republican senator and prospective presidential candidate said Sunday that the war in Iraq has destabilized the Middle East and is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reiterated his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq. Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing. "We should start figuring out how we get out of there," Hagel said on "This Week" on ABC. "But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur." Hagel said "stay the course" is not a policy. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning," he said. President Bush was preparing for separate speeches this week to reaffirm his plan to help Iraq train its security forces while its leaders build a democratic government. In his weekly Saturday radio address, Bush said the fighting there protected Americans at home. Polls show the public growing more skeptical about Bush's handling of the war. In Iraq, officials continued to craft a new constitution in the face of a Monday night deadline for parliamentary approval. They missed the initial deadline last week. Other Republican senators appearing on Sunday news shows advocated remaining in Iraq until the mission set by Bush is completed, but they also noted that the public is becoming more and more concerned and needs to be reassured. Sen. George Allen, R-Va., another possible candidate for president in 2008, disagreed that the U.S. is losing in Iraq. He said a constitution guaranteeing basic freedoms would provide a rallying point for Iraqis. "I think this is a very crucial time for the future of Iraq," said Allen, also on ABC. "The terrorists don't have anything to win the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. All they care to do is disrupt." Hagel, who was among those who advocated sending two to three times as many troops to Iraq when the war began in March 2003, said a stronger military presence by the U.S. is not the solution today. "We're past that stage now because now we are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," Hagel said. "The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have." Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese who fought the U.S., the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization. Still, Hagel argued, the similarities are growing. "What I think the White House does not yet understand - and some of my colleagues - the dam has broke on this policy," Hagel said. "The longer we stay there, the more similarities (to Vietnam) are going to come together." The Army's top general, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press that the Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq - well over 100,000 - for four more years as part of preparations for a worst-case scenario. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said U.S. security is tied to success in Iraq, and he counseled people to be patient. "The worst-case scenario is not staying four years. The worst-case scenario is leaving a dysfunctional, repressive government behind that becomes part of the problem in the war on terror and not the solution," Graham said on "Fox News Sunday. Allen said the military would be strained at such levels in four years yet could handle that difficult assignment. Hagel described the Army contingency plan as "complete folly." "I don't know where he's going to get these troops," Hagel said. "There won't be any National Guard left ... no Army Reserve left ... there is no way America is going to have 100,000 troops in Iraq, nor should it, in four years." Hagel added: "It would bog us down, it would further destabilize the Middle East, it would give Iran more influence, it would hurt Israel, it would put our allies over there in Saudi Arabia and Jordan in a terrible position. It won't be four years. We need to be out." Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., said the U.S. is winning in Iraq but has "a way to go" before it meets its goals there. Meanwhile, more needs to be done to lay out the strategy, Lott said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I do think we, the president, all of us need to do a better job, do more," Lott said, by telling people "why we have made this commitment, what is being done now, what we do expect in the process and, yes, why it's going to take more time." Unfortunally no liberal this time.... Talking about Iran: Iraq president calls for "deep rooted" ties with Iran Quote[/b] ]SANANDAJ, Kordestan Prov. (IRNA) -- Iraqi President Jalal Talabani stresses expansion of deep-rooted friendly ties with Iran in all fields, an Iraqi official said here on Friday.President Talabani's Representative Abdullah Haji Saeed made the remark in a meeting with members of Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Mines, Chamber of Cooperatives and Industry House of this western province. Iraq is interested in establishment of friendly ties with the Islamic Republic and the Iranian nation, he said. Referring to historical bonds between the two countries, he added that Iraq's new Constitution is an appropriate ground for promotion of trade and economic cooperation with Iran. Based on the new Constitution, Iraq provides the Iranian private sector with special facilities, he said. Haji Saeed further stated that Iraq, particularly the Iraqi Kordestan, is in need of Iran's technical, engineering and industrial know-how. Also addressing the meeting, Head of the provincial Chamber of Commerce, Industries and Mines, Mohammad Mohseni, said there are great potentials in Iraqi Kurd provinces for active presence of private sector of Iran's Kordestan in various development projects. Such move would consolidate Tehran-Baghdad economic relations, he added. He further briefed the audience on Kordestan's great industrial and economic potentials. Haha, that must make Condi spin with 20.000 rpm´s. What a blast. Iraq teams up with the classical evil. 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quicksand 0 Posted August 23, 2005 Under US noses, brutal insurgents rule Sunni citadel Quote[/b] ]The executions are carried out at dawn on Haqlania bridge, the entrance to Haditha. A small crowd usually turns up to watch even though the killings are filmed and made available on DVD in the market the same afternoon.One of last week's victims was a young man in a black tracksuit. Like the others he was left on his belly by the blue iron railings at the bridge's southern end. His severed head rested on his back, facing Baghdad. Children cheered when they heard that the next day's spectacle would be a double bill: two decapitations. A man named Watban and his brother had been found guilty of spying. With so many alleged American agents dying here Haqlania bridge was renamed Agents' bridge. Then a local wag dubbed it Agents' fridge, evoking a mortuary, and that name has stuck. A three-day visit by a reporter working for the Guardian last week established what neither the Iraqi government nor the US military has admitted: Haditha, a farming town of 90,000 people by the Euphrates river, is an insurgent citadel. That Islamist guerrillas were active in the area was no secret but only now has the extent of their control been revealed. They are the sole authority, running the town's security, administration and communications. A three-hour drive north from Baghdad, under the nose of an American base, it is a miniature Taliban-like state. Insurgents decide who lives and dies, which salaries get paid, what people wear, what they watch and listen to. Haditha exposes the limitations of the Iraqi state and US power on the day when the political process is supposed to make a great leap - a draft constitution finalised and approved by midnight tonight. For politicians and diplomats in Baghdad's fortified green zone the constitution is a means to stabilise Iraq and woo Sunni Arabs away from the rebellion. For Haditha, 140 miles north-west of the capital, whether a draft is agreed is irrelevant. Residents already have a set of laws and rules promulgated by insurgents. Within minutes of driving into town the Guardian was stopped by a group of men and informed about rule number one: announce yourself. The mujahideen, as they are known locally, must know who comes and goes. The Guardian reporter did not say he worked for a British newspaper. For their own protection interviewees cannot be named. There is no fighting here because there is no one to challenge the Islamists. The police station and municipal offices were destroyed last year and US marines make only fleeting visits every few months. Two groups share power. Ansar al-Sunna is a largely homegrown organisation, though its leader in Haditha is said to be foreign. Al-Qaida in Iraq, known locally by its old name Tawhid al-Jihad, is led by the Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. There was a rumour that Zarqawi, Washington's most wanted militant after Osama bin Laden, visited early last week. True or not, residents wanted to believe they had hosted such a celebrity. A year ago Haditha was just another sleepy town in western Anbar province, deep in the Sunni triangle and suspicious of the Shia-led government in Baghdad but no insurgent hotbed. Then, say residents, arrived mostly Shia police with heavyhanded behaviour. "That's how it began," said one man. Attacks against the police escalated until they fled, creating a vacuum filled by insurgents. Alcohol and music deemed unIslamic were banned, women were told to wear headscarves and relations between the sexes were closely monitored. The mobile phone network was shut down but insurgents retained their walkie-talkies and satellite phones. Right-hand lanes are reserved for their vehicles. From attacks on US and Iraqi forces it is clear that other Anbar towns, such as Qaim, Rawa, Anna and Ramadi, are to varying degrees under the sway of rebels. In Haditha hospital staff and teachers are allowed to collect government salaries in Ramadi, the capital of Anbar, but other civil servants have had to quit. Last year the US trumpeted its rehabilitation of a nearby power plant: "The incredible progress at Haditha is just one example of the huge strides made by the US army corps of engineers." Now insurgents earn praise from residents for allegedly pressuring managers to supply electricity almost 24 hours a day, a luxury denied the rest of Iraq. The court caters solely for divorces and marriages. Alleged criminals are punished in the market. The Guardian witnessed a headmaster accused of adultery whipped 190 times with cables. Children laughed as he sobbed and his robe turned crimson. Two men who robbed a foreign exchange shop were splayed on the ground. Masked men stood on their hands while others broke their arms with rocks. The shopkeeper offered the insurgents a reward but they declined. DVDs of beheadings on the bridge are distributed free in the souk. Children prefer them to cartoons. "They should not watch such things," said one grandfather, but parents appeared not to object. One DVD features a young, blond muscular man who had been disembowelled. He was said to have been a member of a six-strong US sniper team ambushed and killed on August 1. Residents said he had been paraded in town before being executed. The US military denied that, saying six bodies were recovered and that all appeared to have died in combat. Shortly after the ambush three landmines killed 14 marines in a convoy which ventured from their base outside the town. Twice in recent months marines backed by aircraft and armour swept into Haditha to flush out the rebels. In a pattern repeated across Anbar there were skirmishes, a few suspects killed or detained, and success was declared. In reality, said residents, the insurgents withdrew for a few days and returned when the Americans left. They have learned from last November's battle in Falluja, when hundreds died fighting the marines and still lost the city. Now their strategy appears to be to wait out the Americans, calculating they will leave within a few years, and then escalate what some consider the real war against a government led by Shias, a rival sect which Sunni extremists consider apostasy. The US military declined to respond to questions detailing the extent of insurgent control in the town. There was evidence of growing cooperation between rebels. A group in Falluja, where the resistance is said to be regrouping, wrote to Haditha requesting background checks on two volunteers from the town. One local man in his 40s told the Guardian he wanted to be a suicide bomber to atone for sins and secure a place in heaven. "But the mujahideen will not let me. They said I had eight children and it was my duty to look after them." Tribal elders said they feared but respected insurgents for keeping order and not turning the town into a battleground. They appear to have been radicalised, and condemned Sunni groups, such as the Iraqi Islamic party and the Muslim Scholars' Association, for engaging in the political process. The constitution talks, the referendum due in October, the election due in December: all are deemed collaboration punishable by death. The task now is to bleed the Americans and destabilise the government. Some call that nihilism. Haditha calls it the future. · Omer Mahdi was in Haditha for a Guardian Films project before security precautions forced it to be suspended. The Iraqis might as well say hello to civil war.The constitution is the last drop to the Sunnis,US forces are neither feared nor longer taken as more the a short lived obstacle for the rebels who can't do nothing to retake the cities they control from their grip. If I was an insurgent I wouldn't fear or waste time attacking the US forces either.Disregarding the fact that they lack the numbers to be more then a few days lasting annoyance,the delusional president who rants like a broken record and expects the US occupation to last until 2009 and survive ellections is guarentee enough of succes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Yes, hmm, that seems to be the trend. Not quite what Bush expected I think. An Islamic Republic of Iraq? [bBC] Quote[/b] ]By Roger Hardy BBC Middle East analyst  Is Iraq moving, inch by inch, towards becoming an Islamic republic? it is a prospect that is as unsettling for many Iraqis as it is for George Bush in the White House. Under Saddam Hussein, Iraq was a centralised and largely secular state. Now, if the Shia religious parties get their way, it will be a decentralised state with a pronounced Islamic identity. The draft of the new constitution describes Islam as "a main source" of legislation and stipulates that no law may contradict Islamic principles. It also says a group of provinces is entitled to form a "region", which can then expect a specified share of the national budget. Federalism All this amounts to a radical change, and inevitably it is arousing strong passions. The two groups who dominate the new Iraq - the Kurds and the Shia religious parties - have an obvious interest in breaking with the past. The Kurds want to cement, and if possible extend, the autonomy they have enjoyed in the north for over a decade. The Shia religious parties want to reverse the secularising policies of Saddam, and they want the mainly Shia south to get a bigger slice of the area's oil wealth. Some Shia are even calling for a "super-region" stretching from Baghdad to the border with Kuwait and embracing the country's biggest oilfields. This kind of federalism - with an autonomous Kurdistan in the north and a big oil-rich Shia "region" in the south - leaves the minority Sunni Arabs appalled. They fear being left with a rump mini-state bereft of oil. They also fear the eventual break-up of the country. At the same time, secular-minded Iraqis - whether Sunni, Shia or Kurd - are deeply concerned about the direction the country is taking. In many ways, Iraq is already dramatically different from the place it was just a few years ago. Mixed marriages between Sunni and Shia, once taken for granted, are becoming problematic. In many parts of the country, women dare not walk bare-headed in the street. And reports from parts of the lawless north-west paint a grim picture of Taleban-style rule by radical Sunni militants. Worried neighbours Iraq's Sunni neighbours find all of this troubling. There is no tradition in the Arab world of a successful decentralised state. The fear is that a weak multi-ethnic, multi-confessional state will go the way of Lebanon in the 1970s and 1980s - and descend into civil war. Sunni rulers in Riyadh, Amman, Cairo and elsewhere believe the one country to benefit from the disintegration of Iraq is Shia Iran. George Bush, meanwhile, is faced with some unpalatable choices. He is determined to stick to a tight political timetable which would enable him to start withdrawing US troops from Iraq next year. But will his rush to come up with an "exit strategy" force him to abandon the aspiration to create a modern secular democracy out of the ashes of the Saddam dictatorship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EiZei 0 Posted August 25, 2005 http://ca.today.reuters.com/news....COL.XML Quote[/b] ]Iraq secularists denounce "Islamist" constitution Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:48 AM EDT165 BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Secular Iraqis said on Wednesday a proposed new constitution left no room for doubt about the Islamist path the country was heading down two years after a U.S.-led invasion was supposed to produce greater freedoms. The document presented to parliament on Monday is suffused with the language of political Islam in defining the state, and assigns a primary role to Islam as a source for legislation. "The draft aborts the democratic process Iraqis hoped for and is a big victory for political Islam," said writer Adel Abdel-Amir. "Islamic law, not the people, has become the source of authority." The draft says Islam is the official religion of the state and there can be no law that contradicts the "fixed principles of its rulings." The preamble says the constitution responds to "the call of our religious and national leaders and the insistence of our great religious authorities." Language guaranteeing "rights and freedoms" is subordinate to the primary position given to Islam, opponents say. Nothing to see here move on etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Iraqi Draft Constitution. Judge for yourselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 25, 2005 read first 8 pages(of 25) and seems like it is reasonable so far. But this gotta put some sour taste in some people since they now have a constitution that dictates the religion of the nation is Islam and no law contradicting it can be passed. oh yeah, no right to bear arms(so far) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Iraqi Draft Constitution.Judge for yourselves. Thanks, fairly interesting read. I skimmed it through and it seems pretty reasonable. There are some odd references to "morality" and as Ralph mentioned this passage: Quote[/b] ]Article (2): 1st - Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation: (a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam. (b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy. © No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution. 2nd - This constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices. Of course, this is quite silly as a) is very much a question of interpretation and b) is extremely vague and the principles outlined as of c) can come in direct conflict with a) and b). While they don't do an explicit separation of religion and state, it is still encouraging that they've included a fairly broad acceptance of other religions and cultures. Now the really controversial stuff is in the end and is about how the regions/provinces will be governed. The ideas outlined there would make Iraq a federal construction - maybe even confederate. So I can understand why people fear the constitution might lead to a breakup of Iraq. It certainly does provide a lot of autonomy to the provinces. Of course, right now, this is a complete fantasy as it can't be enforced in any reasonable way. Many provinces in Iraq are completely out of the control of the central government. And the security situation isn't exactly helping. Bottom line, far less religious stuff than I expected, but some pretty radical ideas on the inner structure of the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Are there any stats on the extent to which Sunnis are under-represented in the current government owing to their partial boycott of the first election? Â If the level of under-representation is significant then they should leave formulation of Iraq's first constitution at least until the next elected government is formed. Â Otherwise, they are just inviting more unrest. Regarding the draft wording; I see various broad statements about Iraq's oil belonging to the people of Iraq. Â However, I don't see any requirement that the development and sale of the Iraqi people's oil needs to be authorised by representatives elected by the Iraqi people. Â In other words, there's nothing that might threaten all those Halliburton contracts that got signed before Iraq's first elections. Â No surprise there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted August 26, 2005 What I really dislike is the part about religious jurisdiction. This means jurisdiction will be taken to Mullahs and they will apply sharia law most likely. I also do think that the constitution is very, very washy at some points, like defining the federal state system and the dependancies between the planned fedral states. Anyway, I don´t think this constitution will make it to the people. The constitution needs to be positively voted for by Iraqi people and as 4 of 18 provinces are Sunni the referendum on the constitution is very likely to fail as the Sunnis are already rallying against it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio 0 Posted August 26, 2005 What I really dislike is the part about religious jurisdiction.This means jurisdiction will be taken to Mullahs and they will apply sharia law most likely. To be politically correct, religious jurists in Iraq take the title of 'Ayatullah' or 'Sayed' rather than their..less respected counterpart the 'mullah' which is in Iran. Yes, it would be nice to see no 'sharia law' put into practice in the government, but you can probably sigh in relief as the version with Iraqi Shias is different to that of Saudi Arabia where they can automatically cut a thief's hands off. Call it wishful thinking if you want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EiZei 0 Posted August 26, 2005 And even if it were perfectly worded there is the practical implementation, even the soviet constitution looked pretty nice in print but in reality it was worth much as a piece of used toilet paper. Am I being mildly dyslexic again or are there no term limits mentioned anywhere in the constitution? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted August 29, 2005 The war on journalists goes on: Reuters soundman killed in Baghdad, police blame US Quote[/b] ]BAGHDAD - A Reuters Television soundman was shot dead in Baghdad on Sunday and a cameraman who was wounded was still being questioned by US troops 12 hours later.Iraqi police said the two, both Iraqis, were shot by US forces. A US military spokesman said the incident was being investigated. The cameraman was being held and questioned because of "inconsistencies in his initial testimony", he added. Waleed Khaled, 35, was hit by a shot to the face and at least four to the chest as he drove to check a report, called in to the Reuters bureau by a police source, of an incident involving police and gunmen in the western Hay al-Adil district. "A team from Reuters news agency was on assignment to cover the killing of two policemen in Hay al-Adil; US forces opened fire on the team from Reuters and killed Waleed Khaled, who was shot in the head, and wounded Haider Kadhem," an Interior Ministry official quoted the police incident report as saying. Cameraman Kadhem, 24, who was wounded in the back, told colleagues at the scene: "I heard shooting, looked up and saw an American sniper on the roof of the shopping centre." The only known witness, he was later detained by the US troops. For 10 hours, US officers said they could not trace Kadhem. Finally a spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Whetstone, said he was being held at an unspecified location. His "superficial" wound had been treated "on location", he said. He declined to specify any suspicions or accusations against the cameraman, who was based in the southern city of Samawa and had been in Baghdad only two days on a brief assignment. He was despatched to the scene of the incident by senior Reuters staff. The driver was a Baghdad local and knew the area well. Two Iraqi colleagues who arrived on the scene minutes after the shooting were briefly detained and released: "They treated us like dogs. They made us ... including Haider who was wounded and asking for water, sit in the sun on the road," one said. A US statement on the incident said: "Task Force Baghdad units responded to a terrorist attack on an Iraqi Police convoy around 11:20am ... which killed and wounded several Iraqi Police. One civilian was killed and another was wounded by small-arms fire during the attack." - REUTERS Global Managing Editor David Schlesinger said: "This tragic incident must immediately be investigated thoroughly and impartially. "A brave journalist has lost his life and another has been wounded and detained when their only actions were as professionals reporting the facts and images of the war. We are deeply saddened at this loss." Reporters Without Borders, a Paris-based media rights group, called it "extremely disturbing" and said the Reuters soundman was the 66th journalist or assistant killed in Iraq since the invasion of 2003, three more than died in 20 years in Vietnam. "Our outrage is compounded by the fact that they arrested Kadhem, the only eyewitness, who was himself injured," it said. Iraqis complain of frequent killings of civilians by US forces, most of which go unreported and uninvestigated. American commanders say their troops are trained to be vigilant against suicide bombers and to avoid firing on civilians. - REUTERS correspondent Michael Georgy, who arrived at the scene about an hour after the shooting, said the soundman's body was still in the driver's seat, the face covered by a cloth. Entry and exit wounds could be seen on the face indicating shots from the victim's right. There were several bullet holes in the windscreen and at least four wounds in the chest. His US military and Reuters press cards, clipped to his shirt, were caked in blood. In one, there were two bullet holes. To the right of the scene, a US soldier, apparently a sniper, was posted on the roof of a shopping centre. A British security adviser working for Reuters said it seemed likely that high-velocity rounds had been fired at the car from roughly the direction of that building. The car, an ordinary, white four-door passenger vehicle, was heading down an offramp, about 200 metres from a main road. US armoured vehicles blocked off the scene. After a brief inspection of the car, they allowed Reuters staff and the dead man's family to have it towed away. One soldier said there were no suspicious items in the car. Colleagues and relatives were handed a military body bag to remove the corpse. A US officer said: "They drove into fighting". As Waleed's tearful relatives inspected the body at the scene, a US soldier said: "Don't bother. It's not worth it." Waleed was a jovial character loved by colleagues with whom he had worked for two years. He leaves a seven-year-old daughter and his wife, who is four-months pregnant. Two Reuters cameramen have been killed by US troops in Iraq since the US invasion in 2003. A third was shot dead by a sniper in Ramadi last November in circumstances for which Reuters is still seeking an explanation from US forces. - REUTERS' cameraman in the city of Ramadi, Ali al-Mashhadani was arrested by US forces three weeks ago and is being held without charge in Abu Ghraib prison. US military officials say he will face a judicial hearing as soon as Monday but have still given no access to the journalist or said what he is accused of. - REUTERS I guess the risk for journalists of getting shot by US forces in Iraq is about 500 times higher than getting shot by the Insurgents. Really makes you wonder. Another interesting article on the hotspot Anbar Marines engaged in war of attrition Quote[/b] ]FALLUJAH, Iraq — Insurgents in Anbar province, the center of guerrilla resistance in Iraq, have fought the U.S. military to a stalemate.After repeated major combat offensives in Fallujah and Ramadi, and after losing hundreds of soldiers and Marines in Anbar during the past two years — including 75 since June 1 — many U.S. officers and enlisted men assigned to Anbar have stopped talking about winning a military victory in Iraq's Sunni Muslim heartland. Instead, they're trying to hold on to a few population centers and hit smaller towns in quick-strike operations designed to disrupt insurgent activities temporarily. "I don't think of this in terms of winning," said Col. Stephen Davis, who commands a task force of about 5,000 Marines in an area of some 24,000 square miles in the western portion of Anbar. His Marines are fighting a war of attrition, he said. "The frustrating part for the [American] audience, if you will, is they want finality. They want a fight for the town and in the end the guy with the white hat wins," Davis said. Long insurgency seen That's unlikely in Anbar, he said. Davis expects the insurgency to last for years, hitting American and Iraqi forces with quick ambushes, bombs and mines. Roadside bombs have hit vehicles Davis was riding in three times this year. "We understand counterinsurgency ... we paid for these lessons in blood in Vietnam," Davis said. "You'll get killed on a nice day when everything is quiet." Most of Iraq is far quieter than Anbar. But Anbar is Iraq's largest province and home to the Arab Sunni minority, which dominated the government under Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. It's the strategic center of the country and failure to secure it could thwart the Bush administration's hopes of helping to create a functioning Iraqi democracy. Military officials now frequently compare the fight in Anbar to the Vietnam War, saying that guerrilla fighters, who blend back into the population, are trying to break the will of the American military — rather than defeat it outright — and to erode public support for the war back home. "If it were just killing people that would win this, it'd be easy," said Marine Maj. Nicholas Visconti, 35, of Brookfield, Conn., who served in southern Iraq in 2003. "But look at Vietnam. We killed millions, and they kept coming. It's a war of attrition. They're not trying to win. It's just like in Vietnam. They won a long, protracted fight that the American public did not have the stomach for. ... Killing people is not the answer; rebuilding the cities is." Minutes after he spoke, two mortar rounds flew over the building where he's based in Hit. Visconti didn't flinch as the explosions rang out. Fighters gain strength During three weeks of reporting along the Euphrates River valley, home to Anbar's main population centers and the core of insurgent activity, military officials offered three primary reasons that guerrilla fighters have held and gained ground: the enemy's growing sophistication, insufficient numbers of U.S. troops and the lack of trained and reliable Iraqi security forces. They described an enemy who's intelligent and adaptive: • Military officials in Ramadi said insurgents there had learned the times of their patrol-shift changes. When one group of vehicles comes to relieve another, civilian traffic is pushed to the side of the road to allow the military to pass. Insurgents use this opportunity to drop homemade bombs out their windows or through holes cut in the rear floor. • The insurgents have figured out the different viewing ranges of the optics systems in U.S. tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Humvees. "They've mapped it out. They go into the road and try to draw fire to see what our range is and then they make a note of it and start putting IEDs that far out," said Army Maj. Jason Pelletier, 32, of the 28th Infantry Division, referring to improvised explosive devices, the military's term for homemade bombs. • Faced with the U.S. military's technological might, guerrilla fighters have relied on gathering intelligence and using cheap, effective devices to kill and maim. Marines raided a home near their base in Hit and found three Sudanese insurgents with a crude map they'd drawn of the U.S. base, including notes detailing when patrols left the gate, whether they were on foot or in vehicles and the numbers of Marines on the patrols. The three men also had $11,000 in cash in an area in which insurgents pay locals $50 to plant bombs in the road. The guerrilla fighters in Hit have used small, yellow and pink, Japanese star-shaped alarm clocks — similar to those popular with little girls in the United States — as timers to detonate rocket launchers and mortar systems aimed at Marine positions. They frequently use sawed-off curtain rods planted 50 or so yards away to calibrate the ranges to nearby bases. One of the two Marine positions in the city receives mortar fire almost daily. Patrols from the other base are hit by frequent roadside bombings. Instead of referring to the enemy derisively as "terrorists" — as they used to — Marines and soldiers now give the insurgents a measure of respect by calling them "mujahedeen," an Arabic term meaning "holy warrior" that became popular during the Afghan guerrilla campaign against the Soviet Union. Military commanders in Anbar hope to combat the insurgency through a multipronged strategy of political progress, reconstruction and training Iraqi security forces. Little political progress However, there's been less political progress in Anbar than in Iraq's Kurdish north and Shiite Muslim south, the violence there has stymied progress in rebuilding towns destroyed in the fighting and Iraqi forces are still a long way from being able to secure the province. U.S. officials hope that a strong turnout in national elections in December will turn people away from violence. They expressed similar hopes before January's elections. However, while those elections were a success in many parts of the nation, in Anbar the turnout was in the single digits. "Some of the Iraqis say they want to vote but they're worried there'll be a bomb at the polling station," Marine Capt. James Haunty, 27, of Columbus, Ohio, said recently. "It's a legitimate fear, but I always tell them, just trust me." Less than five minutes after Haunty spoke, near the town of Hit, a roadside bomb down the street produced a loud boom followed by a funnel of black smoke. Many Sunnis in Anbar say they'll vote against the constitution in October, as they've felt excluded from the process of drafting the document. While fighting has severely damaged many towns and precluded widespread reconstruction efforts, Marines in Fallujah are working to make that city a centerpiece of rebuilding. Fallujah residences sustained some $225 million in damage last November during a U.S. assault aimed at clearing the city of insurgents, according to Marine Lt. Col. Jim Haldeman, who oversees the civil military operations center in Fallujah. Homeowners have received 20 percent of that amount to rebuild homes, and will get the next 20 percent in the coming weeks, Haldeman said. Families are walking the streets once again and shops have reopened. The sound of hammers is constant, and men line the streets mixing concrete and laying bricks out to dry. Even so, of the 250,000 population before the fighting, just 150,000 residents have returned. And the insurgency has come back to the area. Iraqis are still a long way from being able to provide their own security in Anbar. As with much of the province, Fallujah has no functioning police force. Police in Ramadi are confined to two heavily fortified stations, after insurgents destroyed or seriously damaged eight others. The Iraqi national guard, heralded last year as the answer to local security, was dissolved because of incompetence and insurgent infiltration, as was the guard's predecessor, the civil defense corps. The new Iraqi army has participated in all the Marines' recent sweeps in Anbar, in a limited way. While the Iraqi soldiers haven't thrown down their weapons and run, as they have in the past, many of them are still unable to operate without close U.S. supervision. The commanders and troops on Iraq´s soil seem to be much more ahead in their way of judging the situation than their leaders in Washington are. If only those politicians could be held accountable for their doings and misinterpretations they so happily spread among the people of the USA. Maybe they should listen to guys who actually have a reality - bound view on the issue: Iraq war is not winnable, says expert Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON, Aug 28: Like Vietnam, the war in Iraq is not winnable because there are no clear military targets to achieve, says an article published in The Washington Post on Sunday.The author, Lewis M. Simons, an ex-Marine who covered the Vietnam war for the Associated Press and the Post, says that he had an ‘eerily reminiscent experience’ when he visited Iraq recently to write a piece for National Geographic. After a month in Iraq, he returned home, ‘certain that this war, like Vietnam, will never be won … Since, in my judgment, we were wrong to go in, I’m afraid there’s no good way to get out’. In an attempt to understand the concept of winning the war in Iraq, the author asks: “What would ‘winning’ in Iraq mean, anyway? A democratic society that’s free to elect an anti-American, pro-Iranian, fundamentalist Islamic government? A land of gushing oil wells feeding international oil company profits at US taxpayers’ expense? Shias, Kurds and Sunnis joining hands to end terrorism around the world?†Like Vietnam, says Mr Simons, the Americans do not understand Iraq. “The truth — that Iraq was not a terrorist haven before we invaded, but we’re making it into one today — has been thickly painted over with unending coats of misinformation.†Comparing the two wars, the author notes that ‘where 392 Americans were killed in action in Vietnam from 1962 through 1964, the first three years of the war, (and 58,000 by the time of the US withdrawal in 1975), after two years in Iraq we have nearly 1,900 American killed in action. Where two million Vietnamese were killed by the war’s end, we have no idea how many Iraqis have died since we unleashed ‘shock and awe’. Is it 10,000, 20,000, 30,000? More?†Mr Simons says that this ‘blithe American disregard’ for their lives infuriates Iraqis. He warns that what American failed to understand in Vietnam – ‘that people who want foreign occupiers out of their country are willing and prepared to withstand any kind of privation and risk for however long it takes – are failing, once again, to grasp in Iraq’. MILITARY SOLUTION: Discussing his experience in Iraq, the author says that in a country where planes have to make emergency landing to avoid being hit by the enemy’s rockets and where American soldiers and citizens have to be protected by Humvees and helicopters when going out in the streets, ‘there can be no military solution’. The author also notes that some American soldiers in Iraq are most bitter about their perception that the Bush administration’s effort to wage the war on the cheap applies only to them, while private contractors grow rich. “On the green plastic wall of a portable toilet at Baghdad military airport, I read the following graffiti, scrawled by a civilian contract employee: ‘14 months. $200,000. I’m out of here. [Expletive] you Iraq.†Beneath it was a response from the ranks: ‘12 months. $20,000. What the [expletive] is going on here?†Arguing that there’s no ‘good way’ to quit Iraq, the author says that if America stays, the ‘insurgency’ continues. If it leaves, the insurgency will most likely expand into an all-out civil war, the fragmenting of Iraq and the intervention of Iran, Turkey and Syria, followed by the collapse of promised democracy in the Middle East: a kind of reverse domino theory. He says that before the mid-term elections next year, President Bush may withdraw several thousand US troops, but the bulk of the US forces will stay, giving the guerillas an excuse to fight. The author believes that the Bush administration will leave this mess for the next administration, which may find equally difficult to deal with it. He quotes a senior US diplomat in Iraq as saying that if the US is serious about establishing democracy in Iraq, it would take two generations of soldiers fighting there. “That’s 40 years. You may want to pass that along to your grandchildren,†warns the author. Have fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Quote[/b] ]I guess the risk for journalists of getting shot by US forces in Iraq is about 500 times higher than getting shot by the Insurgents. Really makes you wonder. Majority of journalists killed in Iraq were by insurgents or "unknown" people. Look it up, guy. If you don't want to look it up, eighteen journalists and others within the media have been killed by coalition forces since Aug. 30, 2005 (source: IFJ) . The total number of journalists and others within the media killed in Iraq is sixty-seven (source: RoB) or seventy (source: IFJ) or ninety-five (source: IFJ, again)...you pick. Anyway, eighteen does not equal sixty-seven nor seventy (IFJ says the total is more like ninety-five and this includes drivers and translator) . RoB= Reporters without Borders IFJ= International Federation of Journalists Really makes you wonder...my ass Since you ignore my posts...blah blah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted August 31, 2005 Wednesday, August 31, 2005 Gates of Fire The top leaders of the Deuce Four: CSM Robert Prosser and LTC Erik Kurilla making the call to Daniel's Mom outside the hospital Mosul, Iraq Combat comes unexpectedly, even in war. On Monday, while conducting operations in west Mosul, a voice came over the radio saying troops from our brother unit, the 3-21, were fighting with the enemy in east Mosul on the opposite side of the Tigris River. Moments later, SSG Will Shockley relayed word to us that an American soldier was dead. We began searching for the shooters near one of the bridges on our side of the Tigris, but they got away. Jose L. Ruiz was killed in action. Although the situation in Mosul is better, our troops still fight here every day. This may not be the war some folks had in mind a few years ago. But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress. The only mission I've seen unfold close to what was planned was a B Company raid a few months back. It actually went so close to perfect that we could hardly believe it. The sole glitch occurred when a Stryker hit an IED, but since nobody was hurt, we just continued the mission. In retrospect, it's hard to imagine why I didn't write about it. But times are busy, and, apart from it going nearly perfectly according to plan, it just seemed like any other old raid. I had been talking with Captain Matt McGrew about the "The Battle for Mosul IV" dispatch, intending to spend the night with him and some Iraqi troops at one of their combat outposts, to glean additional insight, but the on-going battles in Mosul kept getting in the way. On the night before the planned ride-along, the obstacle was a big and sudden push of operations and tasks bundled in a "surge operation." Operation Lancer Fury was launched without notice even to the unit commanders here. When I'd sat in on the "warning order" (notice of impending operations) for Lancer Fury last week, the plan was so cleverly contrived that the leadership at Deuce Four had to grudgingly acknowledge its excellence, even though the idea had originated from higher-up. In every military unit I have seen, there is a prevailing perception that good ideas trickle down from the top about as often as water flows uphill, so Lancer Fury apparently was a wunder-plan. As a "surge" operation, Lancer Fury is sort of a crocodile hunt, where our people do things to make the crocodiles come out, trying to flush them into predictable directions, or make them take certain actions. And when they do, we nail them. The combat portion of the Surge amounted to a sophisticated "area ambush" that would unfold over the period of about one week. This Surge is a complicated piece of work, with multidimensional variables and multifarious moving parts. Those parts range literally from boots on our feet to satellites zipping overhead. So, of course, glitches and snags started occurring the first day. Among other things, key gear failed; but overall, the Surge was going well. A few terrorists had already been caught in the first 24 hours. Thursday night, a revised plan had me following some Deuce Four soldiers on a midnight raid. They had night vision gear, so they moved quickly. I had only moonlight, so I nearly broke my leg keeping up. Sleeking around Mosul under moonlight, we prowled through the pale glow until we came upon a pond near a farmhouse. Recon platoon had already raided one house and snagged some suspects, then crept away in the darkness to another target close by. Five soldiers from Recon—Holt, Ferguson, Yates, Welch and Ross—were moving through moon-cast shadows when an Iraqi man came out from a farmhouse, his AK-47 rifle hanging by his side. Suddenly encircled by the rifles, lights and lasers of four soldiers, the man was quickly disarmed. A fifth soldier radioed for the interpreter and together they sorted out that he was a farmer who thought the soldiers were thieves skulking around his property. Recon returned the man his rifle, and started making their way back, umbral and silent across the ploughed fields. During a halt in some trees at the edge of the field, I overheard the voice of LTC Kurilla, the commander of the Deuce Four battalion, quietly praising one of the soldiers for showing discipline in not shooting the farmer. After loading the other suspects onto Strykers, we returned to base, where I fell, exhausted, at about 3AM Friday morning. The Surge continued while I slept. Alpha Company had deployed during the early hours and was conducting operations around Yarmook Traffic Circle. SGT Daniel Lama, who is as much respected as he is liked, was pulling security in an air guard position of his Stryker, when a bullet flew straight at his neck, striking him. As he collapsed into the Stryker, his body clenched in seizure, fingers frozen, arms and legs rigid. I seldom get letters in Iraq, but waiting for me in the mailroom while I slept was a card. The return address sticker, an American flag on it, was from Jefferson, Pennsylvania. The postage stamp had an American flag waving. The card inside had a picture of an American flag for its cover. The sweet and heartfelt message inside ended with-- Please tell our soldiers we care so much for them. --Dan and Connie Lama. I was still asleep when medics brought their son Daniel to the Combat Support Hospital, or "Cash." It's a familiar place for Deuce Four soldiers, who've seen some of the most sustained and intense urban combat of this war, receiving over 150 Purple Hearts in the process. Bap bap bap! on my door. I jumped up and there was CSM Robert Prosser, the top enlisted soldier at Deuce Four. Prosser is always professional, always direct: "Sergeant Lama's been shot. We're rolling in ten minutes," he said. "I'll be there in ten," I answered, instantly awake. Within minutes, I was running out my room, still pulling zips and fastening buttons, when I came sweating into the TOC. LTC Kurilla was there asking a soldier for the latest report on Sergeant Lama, now in surgery. When a soldier is killed or wounded, the Department of Army calls the loved ones, and despite their attempts to be sympathetic, the nature of the calls has a way of shocking the families. There is just no easy way to say, "Your son got shot today." And so, according to men here, the calls sound something like this: "We are sorry to inform you that your son has been shot in Mosul. He's stable, but that's all we know at this time." LTC Kurilla likes to call before the Army gets a chance, to tell parents and loved ones the true circumstances. Kurilla is direct, but at least people know they are getting an accurate account. We loaded the Strykers and drove down to the Cash, and there was Chaplain Wilson, who might be the most popular man on base. Everybody loves him. Often when Chaplain Wilson sees me, he will say, "Good morning Michael. How are you today?" But sometimes he asks me, "Are you okay?" and I think, Do I look stressed? "Of course I feel okay Chaplain Wilson! Don't I look okay?" He just laughs, "Yes, Michael, you look fine. Just checking." But secretly, every time he asks, I feel a notch better. Chaplain Wilson came out from the hospital smiling and explained that Daniel (Sergeant Lama) was fine. The seizure was just a natural reaction to getting shot in the neck. It was just a flesh wound. As if offering proof, Chaplain Wilson said: "When they rolled Daniel over, the doctor stuck his finger in Daniel's butt to check his prostate, and Daniel said, 'Hey! What are you doing?!'" Everybody laughed. I changed the subject by snapping a photo of CSM Prosser while LTC Kurilla got Mrs. Lama on the Iridium satellite phone. I heard the commander telling this soldier's mother that her son was fine. Daniel just had some soft tissue damage, nothing major. Kurilla told her that he and some other soldiers were at the hospital now with Daniel, who was still too groggy to talk. "Really, Daniel's okay, and don't worry about it when the Army calls you." We loaded the Strykers and headed downtown. Some Strykers were scouting for the shooters, while others were working details at Yarmook Traffic Circle. Major Craig Triscari from the 1-17th Infantry from Alaska was with Major Mike Lawrence, "Q," and other soldiers, when he noticed a car with its hood up. The 1-17th will relieve the 1-24th soon, so Triscari has been conducting operations with Deuce Four. The vehicle struck Triscari as odd: it hadn't been there a few minutes earlier. Automatic weapons fire started coming from at least two places. Bullets were kicking up the dust, and we got a radio call that troops were in contact at Yarmook Traffic Circle. Sitting inside the Stryker with LTC Kurilla and me were two new faces. A young 2nd lieutenant who had only been in Iraq three weeks, and hadn't seen any real combat; and a young specialist, who, per chance, is one of the few Deuce Four soldiers who is not a seasoned veteran, though he has seen some combat. Also in the Stryker was "AH," the interpreter, whose courage under fire I had seen before. But the more battle weathered fighters were not there. Chris Espindola, the Commander's radio operator, a respected and very experienced fighter, was down in Baghdad at the Iraqi Criminal Court testifying against two terrorists caught by Deuce Four months earlier. Like the card in the mailroom, the circumstances behind their capture were more germane to the events about to unfold than anyone might have guessed at the time. Kurilla's reluctance to allow anyone outside Deuce Four ride with his soldiers--including writers--is well known. Partly because of writers, people hearing about Deuce Four in the news might think of Mosul as some kind of thrill ride where everything will end okay after a few hairpin turns. This is not true. Newcomers, even soldiers, unaccustomed to this level of hostility, can only burden the men with added danger. So Kurilla makes sure they can be trusted by mentoring new officers and having them spend three weeks with him before they are allowed to lead men in this unit. Some months back, a new lieutenant named Brian Flynn was riding with the Kurilla for his first three weeks, when Kurilla spotted three men walking adjacent to where Major Mark Bieger and his Stryker had been hit with a car bomb a week prior. The three men looked suspicious to Kurilla. who's legendary sense about people is so keen that his soldiers call it the "Deuce Sixth-Sense." His read on people and situations is so uncanny it borders the bizarre. That day, Kurilla sensed "wrong" and told his soldiers to check the three men. As the Stryker dropped its ramp, one of the terrorists pulled a pistol from under his shirt. Mark Bieger was overwatching from another Stryker and shot the man with the first two bullets, dropping him to his knees. LT Flynn was first out of the Stryker, and both he and the airguard CPT Westphal, saw the pistol at the same time and also shot the man. The other suspects started running. But all Kurilla saw was LT Flynn stepping off the ramp, and then there was a lot of shooting. Kurilla yelled F L Y NNNNNNNNNNN!!!! and was nearly diving to stop Flynn from shooting, thinking the new lieutenant had lost his mind and was shooting a man just for running from Coalition forces. Soldiers can't just shoot anyone who runs. Chris Espindola also shot the man. Amazingly, despite being hit by four M4's from multiple directions, the man still lived a few minutes. Soldiers out ran and tackled his two associates when they made a run. During their interrogation on base, both admitted to being Jihadists. One was training to be a sniper, while the other was training for different combat missions. They also admitted that the terrorist who was shot down was their cell leader, who had been training them for three months. They were on a recon of American forces when Kurilla sensed their intent. The cell leader had a blood stained “death note†in his pocket stating he was a true Mujahadeen and wanted to die fighting the Americans. He got his wish; and now, Chris Espindola, Kurilla's radio man, was down in Baghdad testifying against the two surviving co-conspirators. Despite their sworn confessions, Kurilla was left with a young radio operator with little trigger-time. Flynn had now been a platoon leader for six months, but today Kurilla had another 2nd lieutenant who being mentored before he became a platoon leader. Our Stryker did not contain the normal fighters that I saw with LTC Kurilla, but we also had a section (two squads) of infantrymen in Strykers from Alpha Company. This section was led by SSG Konkol. We were searching the area for the source of that automatic weapons fire when Kurilla spotted three men in a black Opel and his sixth sense kicked. When Kurilla keyed in on them, he pointed his rifle at the car and signaled them to get out. The driver tucked his head and gunned the gas. The chase was on. Strykers are fast, but Opels are faster. We were roaring through little streets and along roads, horn blaring, cars zipping off the sides, the steady chatter of multiple radio channels colliding inside the Stryker. A Kiowa helicopter pilot radioed that he spotted the car. As the chase continued, the Kiowa pilot said, "It's going about 105 mph." How can the pilot know it's going 105 mph? I thought. This Kiowa shot the Opel As if in reply, the pilot radioed that the Opel was outrunning his helicopter. Captain Jeff VanAntwerp came on the radio net saying he was moving his section into position to intercept the Opel. "Watch out for that kid!" yelled Kurilla over the intercom to our driver as we made a hard turn, managing to avoid hitting the child. Opels may be faster than Kiowas on straight-a-ways, but when the car made turns, the helicopter quickly caught up. Kurilla ordered the Kiowa to fire a warning shot, then quickly authorized the Kiowa to disable the vehicle. Kiowas are small, carrying just two people; they fly so low the two flying soldiers are practically infantrymen. The pilot swooped low and the "co-pilot" aimed his rifle at the Opel, firing three shots and blowing out the back window. The Kiowa swooped and banked hard in front of the car, firing three more shots through the front hood, the universal sign for "stop." The car chase ended, but the men fled on foot up an alley. We approached in the Strykers and I heard Kurilla say on the radio, "Shots fired!" as he ducked for a moment then popped back up in the hatch. Kurilla continued, "Trail section clear the car and clear south to north! I'm going to block the back door on the north side!" About fifteen seconds later our ramp dropped. We ran into combat. Folks who haven't done much urban fighting might take issue with the wild chases, and they might say that people should always "stack up" and do things this or that way, but men in Delta Force, SEALs and the like, all know that when chasing wild men into the labyrinth, soldiers enter the land of confusion. If soldiers don't go fast, the bad guys simply get away. Just a few minutes ago, these three guys were going "105 miles per hour," and outrunning a helicopter. There were shops, alleys, doorways, windows . . . The soldiers with LTC Kurilla were searching fast, weapons at the ready, and they quickly flex-cuffed two men. But these were not the right guys. Meanwhile, SSG Konkol's men were clearing towards us, leaving the three bad-guys boxed, but free. Shots were fired behind us but around a corner to the left. Both the young 2nd lieutenant and the young specialist were inside a shop when a close-quarters firefight broke out, and they ran outside. Not knowing how many men they were fighting, they wanted backup. LTC Kurilla began running in the direction of the shooting. He passed by me and I chased, Kurilla leading the way. There was a quick and heavy volume of fire. And then LTC Kurilla was shot. Last steps LTC Erik Kurilla (front right), the moment the bullets strike.(2nd LT front-left; radioman near-left; "AH" the interpreter is near-right.) Three bullets reach flesh: One snaps his thigh bone in half. Both legs and an arm are shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted August 31, 2005 PART 2 The Commander rolls into a firing position, just as a bullet strikes the wall beside 2nd lieutenant's head (left). Kurilla was running when he was shot, but he didn't seem to miss a stride; he did a crazy judo roll and came up shooting. BamBamBamBam! Bullets were hitting all around Kurilla. The young 2nd lieutenant and specialist were the only two soldiers near. Neither had real combat experience. AH had no weapon. I had a camera. Seconds count. Kurilla, though down and unable to move, was fighting and firing, yelling at the two young soldiers to get in there; but they hesitated. BamBamBamBam! Kurilla was in the open, but his judo roll had left him slightly to the side of the shop. I screamed to the young soldiers, "Throw a grenade in there!" but they were not attacking. "Throw a grenade in there!" They did not attack. "Give me a grenade!" They didn't have grenades. "Erik! Do you need me to come get you!" I shouted. But he said "No." (Thank God; running in front of the shop might have proved fatal.) "What's wrong with you!?" I yelled above the shooting. "I'm hit three times! I'm shot three times!" Amazingly, he was right. One bullet smashed through his femur, snapping his leg. His other leg was hit and so was an arm. With his leg mangled, Kurilla pointed and fired his rifle into the doorway, yelling instructions to the soldiers about how to get in there. But they were not attacking. This was not the Deuce Four I know. The other Deuce Four soldiers would have killed every man in that room in about five seconds. But these two soldiers didn't have the combat experience to grasp the power of momentum. This was happening in seconds. Several times I nearly ran over to Kurilla, but hesitated every time. Kurilla was, after all, still fighting. And I was afraid to run in front of the shop, especially so unarmed. The Commander fights... and fights, as more bullets kick up dust. And then help arrived in the form of one man: CSM Prosser. Prosser ran around the corner, passed the two young soldiers who were crouched low, then by me and right to the shop, where he started firing at men inside. A man came forward, trying to shoot Kurilla with a pistol, apparently realizing his only escape was by fighting his way out, or dying in the process. Kurilla was aiming at the doorway waiting for him to come out. Had Prosser not come at that precise moment, who knows what the outcome might have been. Prosser shot the man at least four times with his M4 rifle. But the American M4 rifles are weak--after Prosser landed three nearly point blank shots in the man's abdomen, splattering a testicle with a fourth, the man just staggered back, regrouped and tried to shoot Prosser. CSM Robert Prosser goes "black." Then Prosser's M4 went "black" (no more bullets). A shooter inside was also having problems with his pistol, but there was no time to reload. Prosser threw down his empty M4, ran into the shop and tackled the man. Though I have the photo, I do not remember the moment that Prosser went "black" and ran into the shop. Apparently I turned my head, but kept my finger on the shutter button. When I looked back again, I saw the very bloody leg of CSM Prosser inside the shop. It was not moving. He appeared to be shot down and dead. I looked back at the two soldiers who were with me outside, and screamed what amounted to "Attack Attack Attack!" I stood up and was yelling at them. Actually, what I shouted was an unprintable string of curses, while Kurilla was also yelling at them to get in there, his M4 trained on the entrance. But the guys were not attacking. I saw Prosser's M4 on the ground, Where did that come from? I picked up Prosser's M4. It was empty. I saw only Prosser's bloody leg lying still, just inside the darkened doorway, because most of his body was hidden behind a stack of sheet metal. "Give me some ammo! Give me a magazine!" I yelled, and the young 2nd lieutenant handed over a full 30-round magazine. I jacked it in, released the bolt and hit the forward assist. I had only one magazine, so checked that the selector was on semi-automatic. I ran back to the corner of the shop and looked at LTC Kurilla who was bleeding, and saw CSM Prosser's extremely bloody leg inside the shop, the rest of him was still obscured from view. I was going to run into the shop and shoot every man with a gun. And I was scared to death. What I didn't realize was at that same moment four soldiers from Alpha Company 2nd Platoon were arriving on scene, just in time to see me about to go into the store. SSG Gregory Konkol, SGT Jim Lewis, and specialists Nicholas Devereaux and Christopher Muse where right there, behind me, but I didn't see them. Reaching around the corner, I fired three shots into the shop. The third bullet pierced a propane canister, which jumped up in the air and began spinning violently. It came straight at my head but somehow missed, flying out of the shop as a high-pressure jet of propane hit me in the face. The goggles saved my eyes. I gulped in deeply. In the tiniest fraction of a second, somehow my mind actually registered Propane . . . FIREBALL! as it bounced on the ground where it spun furiously, creating an explosive cloud of gas and dust, just waiting for someone to fire a weapon. I scrambled back, got up and ran a few yards, afraid that Kurilla was going to burn up if there was a fire. The soldiers from Alpha Company were heading toward him when LTC Kurilla yelled out that he was okay, but that CSM Prosser was still in the shop. The Alpha Company soldiers ran through the propane and dust cloud and swarmed the shop. When the bullet hit that canister, Prosser—who I thought might be dead because of all the blood on his leg—was actually fighting hand-to-hand on the ground. Wrapped in a ground fight, Prosser could not pull out his service pistol strapped on his right leg, or get to his knife on his left, because the terrorist—who turned out to be a serious terrorist—had grabbed Prosser's helmet and pulled it over his eyes and twisted it. Prosser had beaten the terrorist in the head three times with his fist and was gripping his throat, choking him. But Prosser's gloves were slippery with blood so he couldn't hold on well. At the same time, the terrorist was trying to bite Prosser's wrist, but instead he bit onto the face of Prosser's watch. (Prosser wears his watch with the face turned inward.) The terrorist had a mouthful of watch but he somehow also managed to punch Prosser in the face. When I shot the propane canister, Prosser had nearly strangled the guy, but my shots made Prosser think bad guys were coming, so he released the terrorist's throat and snatched out the pistol from his holster, just as SSG Konkol, Lewis, Devereaux and Muse swarmed the shop. But the shots and the propane fiasco also had brought the terrorist back to life, so Prosser quickly reholstered his pistol and subdued him by smashing his face into the concrete. The combat drama was ended, so I started snapping photos again. CSM Prosser, his leg drenched in the terrorist's blood, as 2nd Platoon Alpha Company arrives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted August 31, 2005 Part 3 CSM Prosser drags the terrorist into the alley ... http://gamma.applepics.com/7/userfiles/4315547ec6c4c.jpg ...into the light. The propane canister at rest (left), the terrorist in view of the Commander Prosser stands above the crocodile who bit his watch. SFC Bowman shields the eyes of his Commander. When Recon platoon showed up about a minute later, SFC Bowman asked LTC Kurilla to lie down. But Kurilla was ordering people to put out security, and directing action this way and that. When the very experienced medic, Specialist Munoz, put morphine into Kurilla, the commander still kept giving orders, even telling Munoz how to do his job. So SFC Bowman told Munoz to give Kurilla another morphine, and finally Kurilla settled down, and stopped giving orders long enough for them to haul him and the terrorist away to the Combat Support Hospital. The same facility where Daniel Lama was recovering from the earlier gunshot wound to the neck. Combat Support Hospital The Surge operation continued as we returned to base. The Commander and the terrorist were both being prepped for surgery, when LTC Kurilla said, "Tell Major Bieger to call my wife so she doesn't get a call from the Army first." But someone gave the Commander a cell phone, and I heard Kurilla talking to his wife, Mary Paige, saying something like, "Honey, there has been a little shooting here. I got hit and there was some minor soft tissue damage." The X-ray on the board nearby showed his femur snapped in half. "I'll be fine. Just some minor stuff." That poor woman. The doctors rolled LTC Kurilla and the terrorist into OR and our surgeons operated on both at the same time. The terrorist turned out to be one Khalid Jasim Nohe, who had first been captured by US forces (2-8 FA) on 21 December, the same day a large bomb exploded in the dining facility on this base and killed 22 people. That December day, Khalid Jasim Nohe and two compatriots tried to evade US soldiers from 2-8 FA, but the soldiers managed to stop the fleeing car. Then one of the suspects tried to wrestle a weapon from a soldier before all three were detained. They were armed with a sniper rifle, an AK, pistols, a silencer, explosives and other weapons, and had in their possession photographs of US bases, including a map of this base. That was in December. About two weeks ago, word came that Nohe's case had been dismissed by a judge on 7 August. The Coalition was livid. According to American officers, solid cases are continually dismissed without apparent cause. Whatever the reason, the result was that less than two weeks after his release from Abu Ghraib, Nohe was back in Mosul shooting at American soldiers. LTC Kurilla repeatedly told me of--and I repeatedly wrote about--terrorists who get released only to cause more trouble. Kurilla talked about it almost daily. Apparently, the vigor of his protests had made him an opponent of some in the Army's Detention Facilities chain of command, but had otherwise not changed the policy. And now Kurilla lay shot and in surgery in the same operating room with one of the catch-and-release-terrorists he and other soldiers had been warning everyone about. When Kurilla woke in recovery a few hours after surgery, he called CSM Prosser and asked for a Bible and the book: Gates of Fire. Kurilla gives a copy of Gates of Fire to every new officer and orders them to read it. He had given me a copy and told me to read it. In my book, there is a marked passage, which I thought rather flowery. But I have it beside me on the table by the map of Iraq. "I would be the one. The one to go back and speak. A pain beyond all previous now seized me. Sweet life itself, even the desperately sought chance to tell the tale, suddenly seemed unendurable alongside the pain of having to take leave of these whom I had come so to love." A short time after he gave me the book, following the death of one of his soldiers,when Kurilla said to me, "I want you to write about my men. You are the only one who might understand," the passage finally registered in my mind. I asked CSM Prosser if I could go with him to see the Commander. Carrying both books, we drove to the Cash. Major Mark Bieger arrived alongside Kurilla's hospital bed, paying respect. After spending some time with the Commander, CSM Prosser and I drove back to the unit. The Deuce Four The truest test of leadership happens when the Commander is no longer there. Kurilla's men were taking down and boxing up his photos of his wife and children, and his Minnesota Vikings flag, when they decided to keep the flag so everyone could autograph it. It wasn't long before there was no room left to sign, but I found a place to scratch. I wanted my name on that flag. The place suddenly felt hollowed-out. When I came back into the TOC, Major Michael Lawrence--who I often challenge to pull-up contests, and who so far has beat me (barely) every time--looked me square and professionally, in the direct way of a military leader and asked, "Mike, did you pick up a weapon today?" "I did." "Did you fire that weapon?" "I did." "If you pick up another weapon, you are out of here the next day. Understood?" "Understand." "We still have to discuss what happened today." Writers are not permitted to fight. I asked SFC Bowman to look at the photos and hear what happened. Erik Kurilla and CSM Prosser were witness, but I did not want the men of Deuce Four who were not there to think I had picked up a weapon without just cause. I approached SFC Bowman specifically, because he is fair, and is respected by the officers and men. Bowman would listen with an open mind. While looking at the photos, Bowman said, "Mike, it's simple. Were you in fear for your life or the lives of others?" "Thank you Sergeant Bowman," I said. I walked back to the TOC and on the way, Chaplain Wilson said, "Hello Michael. Are you feeling all right?" "Yes Chaplain Wilson!" Why does he always ask that? Do I look stressed? But suddenly, I felt much better. Chaplain Wilson might be the only man in the universe with a chance of getting me into the chapel of my own free will, but I have resisted so far. Only a few hours had passed since Daniel Lama and the Commander were shot. It was around 9PM when I heard Captain Matt McGrew was going to see Kurilla. I asked to come along. We entered the hospital, and saw that Erik Kurilla's bed was beside Daniel Lama's. Kurilla went from asleep to wide awake in about a quarter-second, said "hello" and asked us to sit down. After some conversation, the Commander looked over at the next bed and asked, "How are you doing SGT Lama?" "Great, sir." "Good," the Commander said, "You are my new PSD." [Personal Security Detachment: Body guard.] Daniel Lama smiled, got out of bed and I shot a photo of him reporting for his "new duty." Sgt Daniel Lama: less than one hour from flying out of Mosul It was near 10 PM when the airplane that would start their journey back to America landed outside, its engines rumbling the hospital floor. The terrorist who shot Kurilla, and who was now a enuch in a nearby bed, might well have been the same terrorist who, after being released, shot Lama and Thompson and others. Kurilla could see Khalid Jasim Nohe, but made no comment. As Captain McGrew and I drove through the dusty darkness back to the Deuce Four, the Commander and SGT Lama, along with other wounded and dead soldiers from around Iraq, began their journey home. The next day, Iraqi Army and Police commanders were in a fury that LTC Kurilla had been shot. Some blamed his men, while others blamed the terrorists, although blame alone could not compete with disbelief. Kurilla had gone on missions every single day for almost a year. Talking with people downtown. Interfacing with shop owners. Conferencing with doctors. Drinking tea with Iraqi citizens in their homes. Meeting proud mothers with new babies. It's important to interact and take the pulse of a city in a war where there is no "behind the lines," no safe areas. It's even dangerous on the bases here. In order for leaders of Kurilla's rank to know the pulse of the Iraqi people, they must make direct contact. There's a risk in that. But its men like Kurilla who can make this work. Even and especially in places like Mosul, where it takes a special penchant for fighting. A passion for the cause of freedom. A true and abiding understanding of both its value and its costs. An unwavering conviction that, in the end, we will win. Make no mistake about Kurilla--he's a warrior, always at the front of the charge. But it's that battle-hardened bravery that makes him the kind of leader that Americans admire and Iraqis respect. Like the soldiers of Deuce Four, Iraqis have seen too much war to believe in fairy tales. They know true warriors bleed. Iraqi Army and Police officers see many Americans as too soft, especially when it comes to dealing with terrorists. The Iraqis who seethe over the shooting of Kurilla know that the cunning fury of Jihadists is congenite. Three months of air-conditioned reflection will not transform terrorists into citizens. Over lunch with Chaplain Wilson and our two battalion surgeons, Major Brown and Captain Warr, there was much discussion about the "ethics" of war, and contention about why we afford top-notch medical treatment to terrorists. The treatment terrorists get here is better and more expensive than what many Americans or Europeans can get. "That's the difference between the terrorists and us," Chaplain Wilson kept saying. "Don't you understand? 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Balschoiw 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Quote[/b] ]eighteen journalists and others within the media have been killed by coalition forces since Aug. 30, 2005 You may want to look that up again.... Quote[/b] ]Really makes you wonder...my ass Yeah definately.... UN's Annan speaks out for journalists in war zones Quote[/b] ]UNITED NATIONS, Aug 30 (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan believes that governments and armed forces have an obligation to protect the right of journalists to work without fear for their security, a U.N. spokeswoman said on Tuesday.She was responding to a request by the Brussels-based International Federation of Journalists. The group has asked Annan to investigate deaths of media staff at the hands of U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. The organization, a global umbrella group of some 100 journalist associations, said the death of Reuters television sound technician, Waleed Khaled, on Sunday brought to 18 the number of journalists and other media staff killed by U.S. troops since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Without commenting on Iraq or any U.N. investigation, spokeswoman Marie Okabe said Annan had "repeatedly urged all actors in conflict situations around the world -- governments, local authorities and armed forces -- to protect the right of all citizens to reliable information and the right of journalists to provide it without fearing for their security." "He has spoken out strongly against the fact that when belligerents see freedom of expression as an enemy to their cause and the media as a tool for propaganda, journalists who attempt to report in a nonpartisan way face pressure, manipulation, intimidation or even elimination," Okabe said. "He has called for an end to that practice and for freedom for journalists to practice their profession," Okabe said. Last week the chief spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, said the American military did not have any special policy for journalists put in detention. "That's a no," he said in answer to questions. "What we've got to do is look at the individual that was indeed detained and what was he doing, regardless of what his profession is." Two Reuters cameramen have been killed by U.S. troops in Iraq since the American invasion in 2003. A third was shot dead by a sniper last November in circumstances for which Reuters is still seeking an explanation from U.S. forces. A Reuters cameraman, Haider Kadhem, remained in U.S. military custody in Baghdad on Tuesday, two days after surviving an incident in which soundman Khaled was shot dead. Another Reuters cameraman, Ali al-Mashhadani, was arrested by U.S. forces three weeks ago and is being held incommunicado in Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. Reporters and staff working for other media, including the CBS television network and Agence France Presse have also been held for months. You remember the bombing of Al-Jazeera ? You remember the assault on Palestine Hotel ? You remember the numerous kills of Journalists at checkpoints ? You remember the killed journalist in front of Agu Ghraib ? You don´t have to be a genius to see that the US are very selective on their liked and non-liked media presence in Iraq. The fact that more journalists have died in Iraq up to today than over the whole Vietnam war could also give a hint. But hell yeah, we´re investigating, right ? Oh and in another spin, Bush presents some new reasons: Bush: U.S. Must Protect Iraq From Terror MUHAHAHAHA ! Quote[/b] ]CORONADO, Calif. (AP) - President Bush on Tuesday answered growing anti-war protests with a fresh reason for American troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country's vast oil fields that he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists. Bush, standing against a backdrop of the imposing USS Ronald Reagan, the newest aircraft carrier in the Navy's fleet, said terrorists will be denied their goal. ``We will defeat the terrorists,'' Bush said. ``We will build a free Iraq that will fight terrorists instead of giving them aid and sanctuary.'' A one-time oilman, Bush has rejected charges that the war in Iraq is a struggle to control the nation's vast oil wealth. While Bush has avoided making links between the war and Iraq's oil reserves, the soaring cost of gasoline has focused attention on global petroleum sources. Bush said the Iraqi oil industry, already suffering from sabotage and lost revenues, must not fall under the control of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida forces in Iraq led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. ``If Zarqawi and bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks,'' Bush said. ``They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition.'' Appearing at the Naval Air Station North Island to commemorate the anniversary of the Allies' World War II victory over Japan, Bush compared his resolve now to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's in the 1940s and said America's mission in Iraq is to turn it into a democratic ally just as the U.S. did with Japan after its 1945 surrender. But Democrats said Bush's leadership falls far short of Roosevelt's. ``Democratic Presidents Roosevelt and Truman led America to victory in World War II because they laid out a clear plan for success to the American people, America's allies and America's troops,'' said Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean. ``President Bush has failed to put together a plan, so despite the bravery and sacrifice of our troops, we are not making the progress that we should be in Iraq. The troops, our allies and the American people deserve better leadership from our commander in chief.'' The speech was Bush's third in just over a week defending his Iraq policies, as the White House scrambles to counter growing public concern about the war. But the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Coast drew attention away, as the White House announced during the president's remarks that he was cutting his August vacation short to return to Washington to personally oversee the federal response effort. At a Navy hospital after the speech, Bush met with military medical personnel who helped with naval relief efforts during the tsunami and delivered a purple heart to one corpsman who was injured in Iraq. He also visited with 10 Navy SEALS wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as 12 wounded Marines. Bush returned to Texas to prepare to fly back to the nation's capital Wednesday. He originally was to return to the White House on Friday, after spending more than four weeks operating from his ranch in Crawford, Texas. Bush's August break has been marked by problems in Iraq. It has been an especially deadly month there for U.S. troops, with the number of those who have died since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 now nearing 1,900. The growing death toll has become a regular feature of the slightly larger protests that Bush now encounters everywhere he goes - a movement that has been given new life by a vigil set up in a field down the road from the president's ranch by a mother grieving the loss of her soldier son in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan arrived in Crawford only days after Bush did, asking for a meeting so he could explain why her son and others are dying in Iraq. The White House refused, and Sheehan's camp turned into a hub of activity for hundreds of activists around the country demanding that troops be brought home. Nationwide, Bush's approval rating on his handling of Iraq has fallen below 40 percent. This week, the administration also had to defend the proposed constitution produced in Iraq at U.S. urging. Critics fear the impact of its rejection by many Sunnis and say it fails to protect religious freedom and women's rights. Hoping to evoke the powerful feelings of national pride in World War II, Bush said the mission in Iraq must succeed in order to honor the sacrifice of that conflict's soldiers. ``We will never let the new enemies of a new century destroy with cowardice what these Americans built with courage,'' Bush said to an audience that including some WWII veterans. Bush's V-J Day ceremony did not fall on the actual anniversary. Japan announced its surrender on Aug. 15, 1945 - Aug. 14 in the United States because of the time difference. Sept. 2, 1945, is the day the surrender was signed aboard the USS Missouri. Tuesday, the day the president spoke, was the 60th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's arrival in Japan to direct the U.S. occupation and reconstruction of the vanquished foe. Only two questions: Who brought terror to Iraq ? The war was about what ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quicksand 0 Posted August 31, 2005 630 Iraqis Die Quote[/b] ]AGHDAD (AFP) - More than 630 people were killed in a stampede and attacks in Baghdad as thousands of Shiite Muslim faithful gathered near a sacred shrine, officials said.ADVERTISEMENT Many of the dead drowned after falling of a bridge in a surge of panic triggered by rumours there were suicide bombers in the crowd, in what is by far the deadliest single incident since the US-led war on Iraq. "Some 637 deaths have been accounted for and 238 wounded according to information obtained from five hospitals," a security official told AFP, while a hospital official said 20 people had died of poisoning. The stampede occurred shortly after the Kadhimiya shrine had come under mortar fire, which left at least seven people dead and dozens wounded, as crowds gathered to commemorate the death of a revered figure, Imam Mussa Kazim. "Dozens of pilgrims fell in the river Tigris as they panicked following rumors of the presence of two suicide bombers in the crowd, while they were crossing Al-Aaimmah bridge near the mosque," the source said. The US military said helicopters had fired on suspected rebels who carried out the mortar attack on the shrine and had sent ground units to the area to assist in tracking down those responsible. A dozen individuals were detained for questioning. "Many women and children were crying as panic broke out after the attacks," said an Iraqi army officer. I...............I am so sorry for them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites