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Watch out Swedes (and fellow Scandinavians) four of the most dangerous criminals in this neck of the world are on the run.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=164204

Broke out eleven minutes past midnight by using a gun smuggled through security at Swedens safest jail, Hall. Took guards as hostages and forced them to open the gates and then fled in a car.

Four prisoners broke out. One of them an infamous cop killer on a life time sentence, the second the leader of Swedens most notorious criminal gang (if bikers arent included) who has promised to "suicide by cop", the third a leader for another dedicated bunch of lawbreakers and the fourth a more "small time" fish sentenced to three years for robbery.

Two things strike me as pathetic:

1. They could smuggle a gun into the "safest" jail in Sweden.

2. Breaking out of a jail in Sweden isnt a crime in itself.

This country.... sad.

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Quote[/b] ]Breaking out of a jail in Sweden isn’t a crime in itself.
Does that mean they won't be pursued by the authorities or that when/if they are caught, they won't have their sentences behind bars lengthened?

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They will be pursued, but it wont effect their sentence as far as I know.

This time however, they did comitt several crimes during the escape by holding hostages, threatening people, firing at people etc. Add to that the fact that its one famous cop killer and a gang leader, and I'd say the heat is pretty much on and its as hot as its ever gonna get.

But the fact that it could happen at all is pathetic.

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Quote[/b] ]Breaking out of a jail in Sweden isn’t a crime in itself.
Does that mean they won't be pursued by the authorities or that when/if they are caught, they won't have their sentences behind bars lengthened?

It means that escaping itself does no give you longer sentence, however every crime committed during escape will of course lenghten your sentence, in this case kidnapping, possessing illegal weapon, stealing a car and whatever...

This isn't actually that rare, many european countries have similar legislation.

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I doubt they'll be killing or stealing more stuff after breaking out. After all it would only increase media attention and such and eventually screw them over...

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Blackdog, I wish you were right but their record speaks otherwise.

Last time the infamous gang leader broke out for example he and his friends went on a crime spree which ended up in a shoot out with the police, where he was eventually gunned down.

When these guys break out, they to it in order to pull of more crimes. Its not for R&R...

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Was it last year or the year before that when some criminals in Sweden pulled up in front of a prison with firearms and were able to bust their colleagues out because nobody wanted to stop them. icon8.gif

They just work there...

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Hmm.. Tony Olsson. He was involved in a cop-killing that was a shock to the country. His buddy, Jackie Arklöv 'happened' to get shot in the back by the police when he was arrested. I would not be too surprise if a similar fate awaits Olsson.

Anyway, apart from the drama of the escape (gun and all), I don't see that there's anything too dramatic about this. Convicts escape all the time here - just most often by no returning from their leave (yes in Sweden, prisoners get unsupervised leave from prison  crazy_o.gif ).

They'll get caught; they always do. The other guy, Maiorana escaped last time in January, stole a few cars, blew up two bank boxes and got caught again. The criminals very seldom use guns against the police or the general public. So their captures are in general undramatic and peaceful.

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Quote[/b] ]The criminals very seldom use guns against the police or the general public. So their captures are in general undramatic and peaceful.

On a general basis, yes, this is true. But these guys dont have much restraint when it comes to this.

There have been plenty of cases when criminals like these guys have fired on police and civilians alike.

And no, it isnt shocking because we have grown accustomed to it. Thats the pathetic part...

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Was it last year or the year before that when some criminals in Sweden pulled up in front of a prison with firearms and were able to bust their colleagues out because nobody wanted to stop them. icon8.gif

They just work there...

There's nothing strange about it. As a matter of fact is more or less policy. There is an unspoken agreement between the police and the criminals that shootouts are a big no-no. We don't have armed security guards in our banks etc As a result it is very rare that anybody gets killed by a professional criminal and very few professional/career criminals are killed by the cops. They generally get caught anyway so saving people from getting killed in the process might not be a bad idea. And it works.

(That's why the Malexander killings that Tony Olsson was involved in was such a shock. They opened fire on a pursuing police car after the robbery, disarmed the police and killed them execution style)

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There have been plenty of cases when criminals like these guys have fired on police and civilians alike.

Compare it to other countries, especially ones with gun cultures - like the US.

We have far less violent crimes comitted by criminals. Bank robbers don't shoot people in general. We don't have car-jackings. A burglar won't break into your home and kill your family to take your stuff.

We still have the crime, but in general it is not violent. Sure, people get murdered, but over personal things - not because they are in the way of some professional criminal. Such cases are very rare compared to other countries.

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I agree with you Denoir. But my point is that we DO have a couple of very dangerous criminals here. And we know who they are, heck, most of them are locked up all ready. But knowing this, and knowing what they are capable of, there should be no way something like this could happen. No way at all.

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I agree. It's absurd that they managed to get a gun in what is supposed to be maximum security. And sure, particularly Olsson has shown earlier that he has no problem with resorting to violence.

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Same with the leader of FFL (Fucked For Life). There is just no way that two people like that should even get the chance to escape.

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It is easier to get out of a prison then to get in a prison - Fredrik Reinfeldt (regarding the Swedish judicial system)

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Was it last year or the year before that when some criminals in Sweden pulled up in front of a prison with firearms and were able to bust their colleagues out because nobody wanted to stop them. icon8.gif

They just work there...

There's nothing strange about it. As a matter of fact is more or less policy. There is an unspoken agreement between the police and the criminals that shootouts are a big no-no. We don't have armed security guards in our banks etc As a result it is very rare that anybody gets killed by a professional criminal and very few professional/career criminals are killed by the cops. They generally get caught anyway so saving people from getting killed in the process might not be a bad idea. And it works.

(That's why the Malexander killings that Tony Olsson was involved in was such a shock. They opened fire on a pursuing police car after the robbery, disarmed the police and killed them execution style)

Yes, it generally works...but what happens when one of the criminals goes crazy? 20 people murdered (hypothetically) because the criminals and police have an "unspoken agreement" and let the dangerous criminals walk away...the prison guards are there to separate these people from society, not hide under a table, let them go where they want then send the police after them for a cat-and-mouse game.

It may generally work, but it's still f***ed up, IMHO.

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If a criminal breaks this law then so be it.. shit happens. But to heavily arm all guards because of would/should/could is the wrong precautious measure. This would on contribute even more to rising brutality in crimes.

Now and then a criminal goes crazy..sure... but overall it is still much safer without armed guards everywhere.

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heh, funny somebody should mention a jail break in sweden because there was a jail break in Tennessee not long ago. only except the funny part was that the inmates intention wasn't to escape, oh on, instead the inmates put all their money together and went on a Beer run. they left through a fire exit, visited a market and bought a case of beer and came back and shared it w/ the other inmates. they even decided to make a second beer run when the first case ran out biggrin_o.gif

heres a link of the story here:

http://www.uselessjunk.com/modules....sid=622

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There´s no place like home biggrin_o.gif

Maybe the guards can write down orders for them so they make little bucks biggrin_o.gif

I don´t have any problem with penalties for guys who try to escape. I mean, is there are bigger crime than trying to escape from a penalty you got for a crime ?

Lock them up in the dungeon ! biggrin_o.gifwink_o.gif

altes_schloss_kerker.jpg

"Mr. Miller, Mr. Johnson, any escape plans lately ?"

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There´s no place like home biggrin_o.gif

Maybe the guards can write down orders for them so they make little bucks biggrin_o.gif

I don´t have any problem with penalties for guys who try to escape. I mean, is there are bigger crime than trying to escape from a penalty you got for a crime ?

Lock them up in the dungeon ! biggrin_o.gifwink_o.gif

http://www.hadiko.de/mediathek/20000722/altes_schloss_kerker.jpg

"Mr. Miller, Mr. Johnson, any escape plans lately ?"

nor do i, although i think there could be a exception in this case since they did come back, and they didn't attempt to rob the markets they visited. maybe instead of adding on to their sentances just have them do some comunity service like cleaning up trash along highways or parks. but for the most part i agree that prison isn't a vacation and i would never want the have the kind of system in Sweden. IMO thats just putting too much faith into the criminal element in the country. If inmates could steel a police weapon and smuggle it through the checkpoints in whats supposed to be a maximium security prison than whos to say something like what happpened in North Hollywood February 28th 1997 won't happen somewhere outside of prison? as i said, that's putting a lot of trust in people.

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[imghttp://www.hadiko.de/mediathek/20000722/altes_schloss_kerker.jpg[/img]

"Mr. Miller, Mr. Johnson, any escape plans lately ?"

I think you've been reading too many AvonLady posts tounge_o.gif

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It may generally work, but it's still f***ed up, IMHO.

Heh,

There's a saying. "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid".

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It may generally work, but it's still f***ed up, IMHO.

Heh,

There's a saying. "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid".

The key word here is generally, when it doesn't work it's beyond absurd.

The criminals walk out with the agreement of the jailers and for example kill 20 people.

Then tell the families that you have this unspoken agreement that usually works but sometimes it goes wrong and sorry but shit happens, bye I'm going back to the jail now.

Mmmhmh.....

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The key word here is generally, when it doesn't work it's beyond absurd.

No, that's just the nature of things. The law that prohibits people from killing other people also works generally. Just because an extreme minority doesn't respect it doesn't mean that it isn't worth keeping.

And the system works pretty good. We're very low on the violent crimes/capita scale. It is very rare that (people that are already) criminals kill innocent people. We don't have car-jackings. We don't have armed burglars who break into houses and kill people. And this is because the climate is much less brutal than in other countries. Also, there is an extreme difference in how the police behave if violence is involved. Then they really come after you with everything they got.

It's of course not 100%, but it sure beats the hell out of the alternative with trigger happy criminals.

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Update

One captured last night.

One captured in the morning.

One captured in the afternoon.

The cop killer Tony Olsson is still on the run.

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