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Ill agree in my interpretation the poor woman was caught in a crossfire, only when the media and US forces denied any 'collatoral' was he pushed over the edge, but I suppose those of us who live in completley different cultures with all our western luxuries and have never been invaded or lived in a country under occupation will understand how it is or how one could come to such a point...

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thank you for this excellent movie.

Whether one likes the story or not, one has to admit to the following: There's few OFP movies that have reached such a depth of psychology in their plot. The flashback structure is handled very well, both technically and in terms of story build-up.

I have waited more than three years to finally see full-blown "desert scenes - guerilla warfare" in (motion) action in OFP.

EDIT: what is the title of the first song? very good usage of music too.

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...To sum it up...excellent. Best movie for OFP I have seen.

I think we should calm down, whats the use of screaming at the maker that it could be completely and utterly flawed. Count in artistic license and give him some slack. You might aswell be talking about Hollywood; 60% of films are outrageously

undermined. But who gives a damn?

That movie has got style, it's almost too perfect to tell the story. Forget the politics I doubt this film was ever meant to promote a riot. I've read all the comments. You might find yourself's bursting with complaints but this is NOT real, its fiction and its a computer game. There are allowances.

Anyway, movie was pretty good, nice effects ect. But I did note a fair bit of lag. But I could probably let you of with that, I have 2 comps, only one can film OFP because you need to have plenty of spare processing power. (I read in one of these comments, "what did you use to film it?" It doesn't make anyway difference what software you use, your computer first needs to be fast enough to handle 'smooth frame shooting'.

Overall: 9.9/10 : Very Good, Strong Plot + Emotions.

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Quote[/b] ]Trailer Operation 85 - 11 MB - 2:00

Very nice, is it a trailer for an incoming campaign ?

The rotor failure of the hind is very well done.

Quote[/b] ]Whether one likes the story or not, one has to admit to the following: There's few OFP movies that have reached such a depth of psychology in their plot. The flashback structure is handled very well, both technically and in terms of story build-up.

Yes i agree but only partially, as i wish the movie would have pushed a bit more far than "simple propaganda" like it is now flawed obviously with, and would have displayed what is happening in reality when some bombing/ied/revenge occurs : the death of a lot more innocent civilians.

Just to show how absurd and inhuman this war circle is really instead of helping indirectly the propaganda of one side in this real mess in Iraq.

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Quote[/b] ]is it a trailer for an incoming campaign ?

We stopped our work on campaign and we are waiting for Armed Assault.

Quote[/b] ]The rotor failure of the hind is very well done.

thx, made by Munch studio wink_o.gif (Silver Falcon was member of our team and today he works on Armed Assault in BIS)

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Great movie! and grat musics too... can i have the list of the music used in the video?

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Great movie hidden_spectre.

Very cool effects and image quality. Best I have seen till now on OFP.

I am sure you will be nominated to the Al Jazira Gold Belt Bomb Awards.

Can you give us an update for the video of the women  killed on September 11 or here in Spain the March 11th or in London and their husbands revenging?

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Great movie hidden_spectre.

Very cool effects and image quality. Best I have seen till now on OFP.

I am sure you will be nominated to the Al Jazira Gold Belt Bomb Awards.

Can you give us an update for the video of the women killed on September 11 or here in Spain the March 11th or in London and their husbands revenging?

He did that allready... The soldiers shooting the women

Very nice movie... really touched me.. Continue your effort its very cool.

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Quote[/b] ]lol good to hear the 'truth' from a guy with a 'buy danish' monograph... lol hmm *strokes beard*

 What's wrong with buying Danish products?

Quote[/b] ]In anycase your whole pile of ideological goo is more appropriate for a fox news editorial than it is for criticism of this video.

I was just making my stance on the subject clear. I didn't want people to mistake my sarcastic "Allah'u Akbar" post as being a literal show of support for the films message.

 As for your Fox news comment, that simply shows you are blinded by ideology. The fact of the matter is that all the major news outlets world round are equally corrupt and untrustworthy, I despise them all. However your comment focusing purely on Fox news shows you to be of the hopelessly blinded contingent that believes Fox news some how has a monopoly on spin. In short you're part of the "Fox news is corrupt" camp, while I am part of the "media is corrupt camp",(Fox news is part of the media by the way)

Quote[/b] ]It is OBVIOUS with the POINT of the warriors we see with aks behind the young couple, that the woman is as a result killed in a crossfire.
 

 Yeah I saw the AK wielding "freedom fighters". Yet the US soldier in the video walks directly at the woman, levels his rifle at here at about two feet and fires one shot (one kill) then moves on. It’s not a cross fire at all.

Quote[/b] ]A film director or 'game video director' lol, has a responsibility determined only by his OWN remit, not to show 'all sides' in a form considered appropriate by ideogogues like yours sputnik...

Ideologue? What is an ideologue, well dictionary.com defines it as “An advocate of a particular ideology, especially an official exponent of that ideologyâ€.  So I contend that we are both ideologues. I advocate the ideology that both sides are responsible for civilian deaths while you seem to be supporting the ideology that the “crusaders†are solely responsible and that suicide bombers are tragic heroes who justifiably seek revenge.

Quote[/b] ]Now you can maybe go email o'reilly with your complaint hehe, but i think its cracking that we have such a cool video with such an engaging story that it can illicit such passion.

Oh the beauty of youth, blinded by cartoonish stereotypes. You disagree with me, therefore I must be an O’Reilly fan right? I suppose based on your obviously spoon fed cookie cutter stereotype impression of me I’m sure you assume that I also listen to Rush Limbaugh, live in Texas, watch NASCAR, voted for Bush and am an evangelical Christian?

You preach that there is no black and white and that all is a shade of gray, It’s amusing coming from some one who applies such cookie cutter stereotypes.

 In my life I have been called an anarchist, a fascist, a socialist, a hippie, a redneck, a communist, a right winger, a left winger, a democrat, a republican, an atheist, a Christian, a heathen, a Jew, a traitor, a patriot, a fanatic, an apathetic doomsayer and the list goes on and on. It never ceases to amaze me the hilarious stereotypes that have been lumped on me through out my life.  

 I swear, I don’t think anyone  really knows who I am or what my beliefs are. That still doesn’t stop people from trying to stamp a generalization on me for easier classification and prejudice.

 As for the video “eliciting such passionâ€. I hate to say it but I’m really bored and have nothing else better to do. Why else would I be discussing a video game movie with a complete stranger on the internet? It’s pathetic really.

 A good novel or a beautifully composed piece of music elicits passion from me. All this movie really does is to mildly disappoint me.

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Boo hoo Sputnik, so your a little cross and now you type an essay, well i made my point and now as a result you want to be a forum ogre hehe...

Well the thread is about the video, so if ur so deeply upset you have to quote and lecture me, then pm me cowboy wink_o.gif

Otherwise giiive it a rest...

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@hidden_spectre: I like the camera work and flash backs, but i think you should of left out the quotes at the end - the movie puts forward the view well enough and pushing it in peoples faces like that dimminish's an otherwise quality movie.

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Well not to beat a dead horse or anything but.....

As far as i'm concerned the video is an acurate view of how things are BUT.....

Does killing more people further your cause?

Are muslims not bound to the laws of the old testament?

Did the prophet not gain sanctuary in Cristian lands when he fled from persecution by his own people?

The eye for an eye thing is no justification for not following gods law.

Do extremist muslims even know what is written on the walls of the Dome of the rock?

Look it up..says that M...is a messanger of god as well as ....wait for it...Jesus is a messanger of god!

If so...what can justify violence with violence?

Jesus preached forgiveness and understanding and REAL muslims preach the same.

Anyone who preaches Jihad is not only misguided, but probably agrees with Sharia Law and other "Man made rules"

for salvation.

Although I can see the thought process that someone can be so downtrodden that they contemplate suicide, killing another in the name of god is just self justification for hateful acts.

Calling suicide bombers "warriors" is not only childish but goes against all the laws of nature.

Most humans would try to see their children grow old and have families of their own, not blow themselves up to kill other innocent people.

The religious fanatics who preach that crap but never actually step up themselves, sending children in their place, are the people we should all try and eliminate.

It's a two way street and i'll say it again...Violence begets violence.

BTW-On a much lighter note ....camera work and production were excellent!!

Now dont I get any props for my Island guys? wink_o.gif

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Explain then why its wrong attacking enemy soldiers, for example suicide bomb?  Then what difference US bombing and killing civilians accidently or form exploding suicide bomb when trying to target soldiers? Religion doesn't make war, nature of humans makes war.....

War is one of things taht is hard to understand...

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Evidently, killing accomplishes something. Else, how could someone justify the existence of war at all?

How can you question the rightness of a muslim involved in a suicide bombing and not the apache crew who blows away curfew violators at a distance of 400 yards?

You're killing to preserve the lives of others/ to make a statement/ to demoralize the enemy/ to avenge a personal loss/ to punish those you perceive as evil.

Without stepping into the heavily mired ground of cultural relativism, one can think of reasons why killing is justifiable. Certainly, not all killing is justifiable, but there are certain conditions under which at least some people may agree where killing is an acceptable outcome. So, the question is not whether killing solves anything or whether it is right or productive. Clearly, there are a wide variety of cases where it is both right and productive if you agree that it is not always wrong.

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Additionally, a lot of people not only accept but glorify the event where someone dies for a cause. What one side dismisses as a terrible, evil disregard for human life, and a subhuman, underhanded disregard for ones own safety, the other will deify as the ultimate sacrifice for a just cause. Let us not stoop to believe that self sacrifice is childish.

And, the issue of collateral damage is not constrained to the 'enemy'. What of the raucous loss of life involved in the misplacement of 2000 lbs bomb dropped from a strike eagle? All collateral damage is tragic... but would you call misplaced ordinance childish?

Let's get our heads glued on straight here, and examine the prejudice with which we are discussing these issues.

Let us not forget that the driving force behind the crusade to spread democracy is that 'God made all men equal'. Whether or not God enters the equation in a real or a figurative sense, this statement is not only untrue but it's arbitrarily created by men but accepted as a truth that is absolute. Is this truth also misguided and superstitious?

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The movie was moving, and quite powerful for being made with OFP, but damn I disagreed with it.

If you want to know where I stand, see Sputnik Monroe's comments.

-Pilot

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I agree about the quotes at the end! They do detract from the film's impact, because in a way its important to let people draw their own impression and message from your narrative, rather than to make it so 'clear' at the end.

But hey thats easy solved anyway and i can't wait for the next movie! Maybe u could make a video for our mod woohoo!

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Explain then why its wrong attacking enemy soldiers, for example suicide bomb?  Then what difference US bombing and killing civilians accidently or form exploding suicide bomb when trying to target soldiers? Religion doesn't make war, nature of humans makes war.....

War is one of things taht is hard to understand...

They obviously don't just target soldiers. Most bombings lately have been on civilian targets and are meant to cause as much damage and chaos as possible. Then again one can say that they are outsiders that are doing the suicide jobs and they have no problem killing Iraqis in the name of Allah.

But true, war is one hard thing to understand.

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Although the movie is controversial I DO NOT want to have people discuss anything other than the movie itself in this thread.

that means

NO discussion of current war

NO discussion of "media bias"

NO POLITICS!

There are threads for these kind of things in OT(see my sig)

If you want to discuss about the movie go ahead, but do not try to use this movie as an excuse to get into political discussion.

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p.s. well made, although I did not like the idea.

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Well not to beat a dead horse or anything but.....

As far as i'm concerned the video is an acurate view of how things are BUT.....

Does killing more people further your cause?

Are muslims not bound to the laws of the old testament?

Did the prophet not gain sanctuary in Cristian lands when he fled from persecution by his own people?

The eye for an eye thing is no justification for not following gods law.

Do extremist muslims even know what is written on the walls of the Dome of the rock?

Look it up..says that M...is a messanger of god as well as ....wait for it...Jesus is a messanger of god!

If so...what can justify violence with violence?

Jesus preached forgiveness and understanding and REAL muslims preach the same.

Anyone who preaches Jihad is not only misguided, but probably agrees with Sharia Law and other "Man made rules"

for salvation.

Although I can see the thought process that someone can be so downtrodden that they contemplate suicide, killing another in the name of god is just self justification for hateful acts.

Calling suicide bombers "warriors" is not only childish but goes against all the laws of nature.

Most humans would try to see their children grow old and have families of their own, not blow themselves up to kill other innocent people.

The religious fanatics who preach that crap but never actually step up themselves, sending children in their place, are the people we should all try and eliminate.

It's a two way street and i'll say it again...Violence begets violence.

BTW-On a much lighter note ....camera work and production were excellent!!

Now dont I get any props for my Island guys? wink_o.gif

Muslims DO NOT follow Old Testament Law. Shariat Law has many similarities to Biblical Law, but also many differences. In many ways it is much less severe. Also there are many different interpretations of Shariat Law which complicates matters greatly.

I should also state that the prophet Mohammed did NOT seek refuge in Christian lands. However many of his followers did and were treated justly and fairly. There were even cases later of several Christian tribes joining with Muslim Arabs in Jihad. As for the eye for an eye thing, revenge is allowed in Islam, however generally it the appropriate punishment is supposed to authorized by a Shariat court in order to avoid endless blood feuds.

Also...yes ALL Muslims (unless they know nothing about their own religion) LOVE Jesus Christ (who they refer to as Isa).

He is considered one of the greatest prophets in Islam. The Injeel (what they call the Bible) is also respected, however they believe that both the Bible and the Torah have distortions in it which the Qu'ran clarifies.

Forgiveness and Mercy is taught in the Qu'ran...but however so is lots of stuff about punishing the unjust with lots of harsh punishments along to lots of references to fighting the unbeliever. This is in part because Islam was born out of a period of warfare between the Muslims and the idol worshippers of Mecca...followed by betrayals of severa Jewish tribes and fighting with some Christian tribes. The Islamic empire then later expanded into conflict with the Byzantine Empire. At any rate, while love and mercy are talked about in the Qu'ran, unfortunately most Islamic Imams (preachers) talk more about the punishment and war stuff then about mercy, compassion, and forgiveness.

As for Jihad. Jihad is an essential part of Islam. It means literally "struggle". Military Jihad is supposed to be primarly a one of defense. However some Islamic scholars disagree. *Some* Wahabi/Salafi scholars who follow the teachings of Ibn Tammiyah, believe that Jihad is about constant warfare against the non-believers until Islam is the only belief system in the world. Most moderate Muslims however don't believe this but do believe in the God-given right to defense themselves against attacks by non-believers whether it be cultural or military attacks.

Then you have the Sufi sect of Sunni Islam that believes in a big Jihad and a little Jihad. The big one being the inner struggle with the ego and carnal desires in the goal of purifying one's heart. The little Jihad is the essential Jihad of military defense against enemies of Islam.

Some of the most vocal opponents of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic world have been from Sufi Muslim groups.

As for calling Shariat Law "man made" you don't understand Islam. Most Muslims believe that Shariat Law are GOD'S LAWS and infallible. However the different sects of Islam have vastly different interpretations and interpretive methods when analyzing Shariat Law according to not only the Qu'ran but also the massive volumes of Hadiths (40,000+ verses about the life and sayings of the Prophet Mohammed and his companians).

My recommendation is that if you really want to understand terrorists, first study Islamic theology from both radical and moderate perspectives. Then go on the internet and talk to Muslims who believe in militant ideologies and ask them about their beliefs. Thats what I do. It has been very illumuniating in understanding the vast diversity amongst these militant groups and their ideologies. Its not difficult to find some that speak very good English.

I also recommend hanging around mosques and going to Qu'ran studies and Dhiker (group prayer/chanting).

Sufi Dhiker is something not to be missed. Its a very powerful form of group meditation.

The spiritual experience of praying alongside Muslims and participating in their rituals and customs, gives better understanding of how the beauty of Islam and the spirituality of Islam is easily distorted and used to create a romantic notion of Jihad that lures young Muslim men into the arms of Al-Qaeda.

As far as this video goes, keep in mind that it shows also militants with guns in back of the two civilians rushing towards the Americans. So I think the intent was mainly to give a typical example of how the media totally distorts the realities of whats happening. Maybe next time they'll make a video showing Al-Qaeda militants gunning down Iraqi workers leaving a US base or killing a woman for not wearing a veil or blowing up a Shi'a mosque.

I made a in-game movie like this in my old mission where I depicted Islamic extremists killing regular Muslims who did not support them in the Islamic Republic of Nogova. The mission was called "Operation Condor". I will soon be rereleasing a fixed up version of that mission that fixes some of the bugs in it.

I think it shows the more non-romantic side of terrorism.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

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Operation 85

Very nice little video. Wanna come do some videos of WGL5 for us biggrin_o.gif

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