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Hi all

Rather distubing a purple powder was thrown at Tony Blair and the rest of the UK Cabinet in the houses of parliment during primeministers question time.

Does any one know of a poison that colour?

It May just have been powdered paint.

At least three objects were thrown one hit Tony Blair on the back raising a cloud in front of John Prescot (Deputy Primeminister) and Gordon Brown The Chancelor.

More Later walker

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Hi all

Rather distubing a purple powder was thrown at Tony Blair and the rest of the UK Cabinet in the houses of parliment during primeministers question time.

More Later walker

Propably makeup so Blair will look good hot at the date with Bush. tounge_o.gif

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there just saying that it wasnt poison or anything just harmless powder

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Hi all

Latest news on BBC it was a balloon filled with purple powder. Thrown possibly by a protester about Fathers rights (To do with Child Support and visiting rights after divorce)

There was a large Palistinian Deligation in the Gallery as well here to discuss getting the ME roadmap back on track.

Walker

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Quote[/b] ]LONDON, England (CNN) -- A House of Commons session has been suspended after purple powder was thrown at Prime Minister Tony Blair, sparking major security fears.

A fathers' rights group shortly afterwards claimed responsibility for the attack, Reuters reported Wednesday.

Blair flinched as two powder missiles were thrown at him during Prime Minister's Question Time. One of them appeared to hit Blair in the back and some of the powder hit Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, who was sitting next to Blair.

A man in a suit was seen to stand up in the public gallery and was heard to shout "do you realize" and "five years."

Two men were grabbed by security officers, Sky News TV reported, and Speaker Michael Martin immediately suspended the weekly PMQs session.

The incident is a huge embarrassment for parliament's security staff and a major security inquiry seems certain.

The latest demonstration comes just weeks after a screen was installed in front of the rest of the public gallery amid fears of a possible terrorist attack.

MPs approved that security measure after Commons leader Peter Hain warned that spy chiefs had told the government of a specific threat to the Commons.

He said security officials had warned anthrax could be used. Under a further crackdown, MPs securing passes for guests to use the un-screened galleries have to personally vouch for them.

The two men pounced from the front three rows of the gallery, which are usually occupied by peers and distinguished guests and are outside the screen.

The powder was thrown from the corner of the gallery, with the protester rushing forward to the railings to hurl it into the chamber.

His fellow protester then held up a poster. Commons doorkeepers rushed to restrain the men, but one continued hurling the powder for several seconds. The two were then dragged away to be taken to cells.

Blair's official spokesman said the powder was being checked to make sure it was innocuous.

The chamber of the house was also being searched. The spokesman said: "The prime minister is perfectly happy to go back in and resume PMQs but the advice from the house is they want to check the chamber and he fully respects the speaker's position on that."

Asked if the powder had been analyzed, the spokesman said: "All that is being checked."

Seems harmless. A bit of a embarrassment for his security detail but nothing more.

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Shame, today was quite a good debate. (Rather savage though, as always!)

Did see the part when he addressed the Palestinian delegation? I'm glad the UK has made its stand on recent events. If only the US would do so in public.

(then again, imagine Bush in the UK parliment at question time. Ho ho ho ho ho)

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Worrying that someone can gain access to the entire UK government and commit this act, could easily of been something more sinister.

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I havent seen anything of this on TV but i think it might be a sad day for open government. It may have been harmless today but it will inevitably raise fears of a real attack, further removing (higher profile) politicians from the public.

If its the 'Fathers Group' i think then i sympathise with their views somewhat but im not sure this was the best way for them to protest. In fact with the current level of high alert in the UK it seems more than a little cruel (they almost certainly knew the reaction it would get).

[edit- after the reading the bbc article in full i dont think it was quite that bad after all- though it can still only serve to isolate politicians from the public]

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I havent seen anything of this on TV but i think it might be a sad day for open government. It may have been harmless today but it will inevitably raise fears of a real attack, further removing (higher profile) politicians from the public.

Not necessarily. After Lindh's murder there was a lot of talk here how it would destroy the open political culture here by shielding the politicians from the people. This debate lasted a month or so and then it was back to business as usual. It's not uncommon to see cabinet ministers on the subway here in Stockholm, without body guards or any forms of protection.

How smart that is, I don't know but the net effect has been nothing. It's just like it was before.

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But then currently a bio/chemical attack on the Swedish parliament seems significantly less likely (if perfectly possible) than one on the British parliament dont you think? (i feel im stating the obvious).

Even if today British troops all over the globe withdrew to the UK and we became internationally quiet, London would still be high on the potential terrorist attack target list for many years. Still i hope that the threat indeed doesnt change things. Actually i think despite security recommendations

a lot of MPs are against being cut off from the public so i guess it might be as you say.

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This doesn't come close to Prescott's punch up:

prescott_punch.gif

haha if only all MP's did this when they got objects thrown at them. biggrin_o.gif

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This doesn't come close to Prescott's punch up:

[im]http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Politics/Pix/pictures/2001/12/17/prescott_punch.gif[/img]

haha if only all MP's did this when they got objects thrown at them.  biggrin_o.gif

Didn't the guy throw an egg at him, so Prescott just turned round and lamped him in the face.

They thought it would be bad PR, but everyone loved it! Ho hum....

Remove image tags when quoting images please.

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If someone got in with 3 condoms with purple flour in them, what's to say someone can't get in with a vial of nerve agent? What's to say some Palestinian didn't get some Sarin from one of those artillery warheads that have been blowing up all around Iraq lately (E.G. the one that killed the President of the Governing Council) and drag it into Britain to "Derail" the peace plan.

What's to say that in a week someone won't be walking in and gassing the entire Parliament? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If flour filled condoms passed through, we all know that you can hide nerve agent just the same.

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Boy, do you need to read some news. There was one shell with suspected sarin - which has yet to be confirmed. And it had nothing to do with the killing of the IGC head. That was a regular big bomb.

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Quote[/b] ]Boy, do you need to read some news. There was one shell with suspected sarin - which has yet to be confirmed. And it had nothing to do with the killing of the IGC head. That was a regular big bomb.

it was sarin:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/19/iraq/main618421.shtml

Quote[/b] ]

On Monday, the U.S. military said that U.S. soldiers found a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent in Baghdad. The device, which partially detonated, was apparently a leftover from Saddam's arsenals. It was unclear whether more such weapons were in the hands of insurgents. Soldiers who removed the bomb experienced symptoms consistent with low-level nerve agent exposure, U.S. officials said. No one was wounded in the partial blast and the dispersal of sarin from the bomb was very limited, the military said

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

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The artillery shell was being used as an improvised roadside bomb, the U.S. military said Monday. The 155-mm shell exploded before it could be rendered inoperable, and two U.S. soldiers were treated for minor exposure to the nerve agent.

Three liters is about three-quarters of a gallon; four liters is a little more than a gallon.

Quote[/b] ]

The soldiers displayed "classic" symptoms of sarin exposure, most notably dilated pupils and nausea, officials said. The symptoms ran their course fairly quickly, however, and as of Tuesday the two had returned to duty.

Quote[/b] ]

A 155-mm shell can hold two to five liters of sarin; three to four liters is likely the right number, intelligence officials said.

Another shell filled with mustard gas (search), possibly also part of an improvised explosive device (IED) was discovered on May 2, Defense Dept. officials said.

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New york times (4h ago according to google news)

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Even the Defense Department, on the defensive, strained not to appear alarmist, saying confirmation was needed for the field tests.

So far they've only conducted a field test. And don't forget what the last postive sarin field test (claimed by the Danes) turned out to be.

Or CNN if it is more to your liking:

Quote[/b] ]

A Pentagon official told CNN that a single field test indicated the shell contained sarin and that a more definitive laboratory test had not been conducted. Initial field tests are often incorrect.

CNN military analyst Ken Robinson noted that more than 15,000 "false positives" for chemical weapons were registered during the first Gulf war.

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Quote[/b] ]So far they've only conducted a field test. And don't forget what the last postive sarin field test (claimed by the Danes) turned out to be.

What can it be then?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

Quote[/b] ]

The soldiers displayed "classic" symptoms of sarin exposure, most notably dilated pupils and nausea, officials said. The symptoms ran their course fairly quickly, however, and as of Tuesday the two had returned to duty.

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Quote[/b] ]most notably dilated pupils and nausea
Quote[/b] ]What can it be then?

Stress. Caffeine. Too little sleep.. and a million other things.

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What about this?

Quote[/b] ]

The munition found was a binary chemical shell, meaning it featured two chambers, each containing separate chemical compounds. Upon impact with the ground after the shell is fired, the barrier between the chambers is broken, the chemicals mix and sarin is created and dispersed.

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What about this?
Quote[/b] ]

The munition found was a binary chemical shell, meaning it featured two chambers, each containing separate chemical compounds. Upon impact with the ground after the shell is fired, the barrier between the chambers is broken, the chemicals mix and sarin is created and dispersed.

Binary compound explosives that are not unusual in artillery shells. Nitrogen and boron or phosphorous and nitrogen. Shall we continue this in the Iraq thread?

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Returning to the topic...

If it was the work of the father's rights group, then it was a pretty useless act. Instead of making their group more known, it has only created fears of chemical attacks for real, if anything, giving the government more knowledge in how to deal with a true attack of this sort...

If they had done something specific to their cause, instead of pissing about with condoms and purple powder, their little 'attack' may have been far more effective. Instead people are not thinking "this is the work of that group" they are thinking "holy crap... what if there was an attack on the primeminister?".

The two are quite far between. smile_o.gif

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CNN is anti-war and I have no problem with that. It's when they air things saying that US Troops are war criminals that I stop believing them and see that they're biased beyond any recognition of news.

And the condom thing, you can just as easily hide an M67.

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Please keep the Iraq-war references to a minimum please. We have a separate thread for that.

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