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I was at a night shop just 5 minutes ago where 3 Kashmiri's worked and they informed me that they just hear on their Radio (tuned to Pakistan) that there had just been another assasination attempt on Musharrav.News was just in and translated to me by the Kashmiri's ,so it probably will take some time before it hits western news.

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4th time is the charm? tounge_o.gif He's going to get it eventually at this rate, gee I guess going against the vast majority of his citizens in this war on terror gave a lot of support for Al Qaeda operatives.

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I thought this was the third attempt...

Anyways, some time he's gonna die. We all know it.

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I hope he doesnt gets it any time sooner.

Yes hes been acting like a lapdog for the US recently but he has little options , hes stuck between a rock and a hard place atm.

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I think Hafez Al'Assad of Syria had three hits and still died of old age, although the ruckus did 'die' down after Hama...

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Hmm maybe i shouldn't trust Kashmiri shopkeepers that much.

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He charged me to much for that Toblerone to...

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  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]Musharraf says a Libyan tried to kill him

600 foreign terrorists hiding in tribal areas

‘More missile tests will be conducted’

By Behroz Khan

PESHAWAR: President Pervez Musharraf has said that the mastermind behind terrorist attacks in the country and the suicide attempts on his life were hiding in the tribal belt, which should be dismantled by all means.

"We have busted a complete network and found leads that a Libyan national was involved in the suicide attempts on my life. He has not been arrested so far and we also still don’t know who ordered the attacks," the president told a grand tribal jirga, which was convened at the Governor House Peshawar on Monday.

But, the president said, it was clear that the mastermind behind these terrorist acts were taking shelter in the tribal belt, particularly in South Waziristan Agency. The president said that the ‘Qaumi Lashkar’ of Wazir tribesmen had been formed to go after these unwanted foreign nationals and purge the Pakistani soil of them.

He said Pakistanis were being recruited, trained in terrorism and offered millions of rupees by these elements to carry out suicide missions, which shows that the whole exercise was not for religious reasons but promoting personal political agendas.

"We have information that 500 to 600 foreign nationals were staying in our country, especially in South Waziristan," President Musharraf said, adding that the armed forces have been ordered to act in accordance with the devised plan in case information about the presence and activities of such elements was received.

The president said that according to the plan, the Qaumi Lashkar would first be supported by the Frontier Corps and if there was a need, the armed forces would be mobilised.

He regretted the incident, which took place in Wana, headquarters of South Waziristan, resulting in the killing of 13 civilians and hoped that no such incident should be repeated in future. "We have formed a committee to inquire about the happening and will take action," the president said.

The president said that he always confronted difficult situation to explain to the west the true spirit and peaceful message of Islam, when people from the western world see that fellow Muslims were carrying out bloody attacks in the country against each other.

"How can we convince them when girl schools are burnt and terrorism is rampant in the name of religion," President Musharraf said. He said he was trying to engage world leaders and the international media to convey to them that Islam was a religion of peace and tranquility, but how would they believe when our home was not in order.

Quoting a report from Time magazine, the president said that foreign media was portraying the image of Pakistan in a wrong way. He totally rejected the report and said it was wrong and baseless because it has claimed that those elements carrying out attacks in Afghanistan were transported in Pakistani vehicles before and after the attacks.

"We will also convince the world that we are not interfering in Afghanistan and show that actions speak louder than words," said the president adding that majority of the countrymen were against extremism and terrorism.

He said he has been discussing the issue of Chechnya, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Iraq with the Americans and Europeans to project the just cause of the people of these countries and convince the powerful states to pay heed to the problems of the Muslim world.

The president reiterated his stance about the surrender of foreigners hiding in the tribal areas, saying that he has promised that these elements would not be handed over to any country in case they lay down guns and give assurance that Pakistan’s soil would not be used against others.

"Either expel these foreigners or convince them to surrender. Otherwise, we will go after them because we do not want to fail," Musharraf told the Jirga, in particular reference to the elders from South Waziristan Agency. He said the offer was for all foreign nationals including al-Qaeda.

Hundreds of tribal elders and Maliks turned up at the jirga, which besides others was also attended and addressed by NWFP Governor Syed Iftikhar Hussain Shah and tribal elder Malik Inayatullah Afridi, former MNA Syed Yusuf Hussain, former Senator Malik Abdur Rehman and Inayatullah Khan.

Federal Minister for Water and Power Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao was also present on the stage with the president. The tribal elders in their speeches condemned terrorism and those providing shelter to terrorists in the tribal areas. They assured the president that the tribal people stood firmly behind his policies and actions.

Malik Abdur Rehman from Mohmand Agency showered praises on Gen Musharraf and called him as the ‘hero’ of Pakistan for his dynamic leadership and bold steps for the progress of the country and development of the tribal areas.

He said the president should pay attention to the problem of the Khuizai and Baizai tribesmen of Mohmand agency because their lands have now become part of Afghanistan due to the recent demarcation of the Durand Line. He asked for census in those areas, which were not covered in the national census in 1998 due to inaccessibility.

Syed Yusuf Hussain said terrorism and sectarianism have no room in the Pashtun code of life adding that Pashtu and Pashtunwali preach tolerance and promote positive values than indulging in narrow mindedness. "Pashtuns cannot become terrorists due to their values and traditional code of life," he said.

Agencies add: Musharraf said about the Libyan in attacks on him, "He gave 1.5-2 million rupees to a Pakistani who recruited Islamic militants, Islamic extremists." The president promised that the government would reveal more details about who was behind the attacks. He said the suspects would be shown on television. "You will see their interviews," he said, without elaborating.

Musharraf said a launch last week of a nuclear-capable medium range missile would be followed by more tests in coming months, despite US requests to scale back its weapons programme. "We have tested Shaheen II missile and and in next few months will conduct more tests," he said.

Musharraf said that international community would not object to further testing by Pakistan. "The world is not going to stop us because this is a question of our national prestige."

President General Pervez Musharraf said the government is committed to bring sustained development in the federally administered tribal areas and announced that the FATA would get more grants in the years to come.

"The government is all for bringing the FATA into the mainstream of national life, there will be no looking back now and tribal areas are destined to progress," he said, pledging more funds in addition to Rs 7.5 billion already allocated for development of the tribal areas.

Musharraf said projects initiated in the last few years in vital fields of education, health, communication would be completed apace for accelerated advancement of tribal people.

He said the Central Asian states are constructing roads on their respective lands that would link them to Afghanistan and ultimately give them the much-needed access to sea waters through Pakistani ports. The president informed the tribal leaders that FATA would benefit most from trade between Central Asia through Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistan, he said, has key geo-strategic location for trade among Central Asia, South Asia and the Gulf region.

"We are laying a network of roads to transport goods from Afghanistan to Karachi and Gwadar port." He recounted a number of development projects initiated in the tribal areas in the last few years and said the government is focused on the socio-economic progress of the tribal people, as the development of FATA would be the development of Pakistan.

"In two years, every tribal agency will have a network of roads for efficient transport while mobile dispensaries, improved hospitals and schools and colleges are already serving the people with better health and education facilities."

He asked the tribal leaders to pay heed to increasing agricultural production and also attain know how and expertness in making full use of the valuable minerals, gems and marble. "Do not lag behind, the world is leaping forward, we will be marginalised if we do not make use of our natural resources to our optimum benefit. If we have good intentions and pursue our objectives with full vigour, nobody can derail us form the path of progress and prosperity."

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html

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Well looks like the threat on his life from islamic extremists is forcing him to take real action against the terrorists.  

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  (IceFire @ Mar. 16 2004,03:37) said:
Well looks like the threat on his life from islamic extremists is forcing him to take real action against the terrorists.  

.........you are forgetting that the muslim extremists like Taliban was supported by Musharaf. Ironic isn't it?

The only aspect of Musharaf being killed that doesn't make me feel joy is that Pakistan would be thrown into chaos - which is scary when thinking of it's nuclear capacity and the ongoing conflict with India.

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  (brgnorway @ Mar. 16 2004,09:24) said:
  (IceFire @ Mar. 16 2004,03:37) said:
Well looks like the threat on his life from islamic extremists is forcing him to take real action against the terrorists.  

.........you are forgetting that the muslim extremists like Taliban was supported by Musharaf. Ironic isn't it?

The only aspect of Musharaf being killed that doesn't make me feel joy is that Pakistan would be thrown into chaos - which is scary when thinking of it's nuclear capacity and the ongoing conflict with India.

Yes it is ironic. But then again what do you expect? They are devout terrorists. You could save their lives one day and then have a disagreement with them about islam the next day and they will kill you.

And yes, if Pakistan were thrown into chaos and islamists got their hands on pakistans nukes, I would expect a nuclear war very soon after.

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  IceFire,Mar. 16 2004,09:34 said:
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Quote[/b] ]Yes it is ironic.  But then again what do you expect?  They are devout terrorists.  You could save their lives one day and then have a disagreement with them about islam the next day and they will kill you.

Come on! The reason why Musharaf is being targeted is because:

1. He let's US soldiers operate within pakistani borders on occasions.

2. He supports Nato's effort in Afghanistan (forced to by US more or less) .

3. He's keeping a tight grip on the fundamentalists in Pakistan because they are becoming a threat to his power.

4. When he supported Taliban he also made sure he pleased the fundamentalists of Pakistan. When he was forced to take a stand against Taliban after 911 he also lost support from the considerable fundamentalist population of Pakistan. This is considered by the fundamentalists to be a treason.

The reason why I wouldnt' be very sad if someone topped him is because he is a bloody tyrant and a dictator whom seazed power and abolished democracy - even if it was weak.

So, as long as he supports "the war against terror" US makes sure he is benefitted - and the mistake are once more taking place. But then again - USA makes a habit of it and it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks - apparently!

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  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]The reason why I wouldnt' be very sad if someone topped him is because he is a bloody tyrant and a dictator whom seazed power and abolished democracy - even if it was weak.

So, as long as he supports "the war against terror" US makes sure he is benefitted - and the mistake are once more taking place. But then again - USA makes a habit of it and it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks - apparently!

As far as Tyrants go Musharrav is one of the better ones though.In any case i am very scared that Musharrav would be toppled by fubndamentalists ,IMO such an event could very possibly lead to a chain of events making world war III.In addition ,i'm almost sure that Al-Quaida is VERY activly trying to topple Musharrav to take power in Pakistan and IMO it's only a matter of time before they achieve in assasinating him.

You see if Bin Laden would be able to seize power in Pakistan ,than that would not give him only power of the country and it's capabilety's but also of it's influencein the Muslim world.It would not be to hard for Pakistan to unify most of the muslim world against the west with the power that you got fom nukes ,in adition it would be easier to find other allies for such a goal as a millitary capable country ,country's like North Korea and even China still have a few unresolved problems with the west to solve.Afcourse i'm speculating ,however i guess it's not that hard to foresee that Al-Quaida taking power in Pakistan would uninvitably lead to a highly dirty war.

Lets just hope that should Musharrav be toppled that Some Indian Armored devissions race to Islamabad to rectify the situation.

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  Apollo,Mar. 16 2004,14:51 said:
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Quote[/b] ]As far as Tyrants go Musharrav is one of the better ones though.

LOL - only a person with freedom can be so ignorant.

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Quote[/b] ]In any case i am very scared that Musharrav would be toppled by fubndamentalists ,IMO such an event could very possibly lead to a chain of events making world war III.In addition ,i'm almost sure that Al-Quaida is VERY activly trying to topple Musharrav to take power in Pakistan and IMO it's only a matter of time before they achieve in assasinating him.

You think I didn't know?

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Quote[/b] ]You see if Bin Laden would be able to seize power in Pakistan ,than that would not give him only power of the country and it's capabilety's but also of it's influencein the Muslim world

Bin Laden would never seize power in Pakistan, however, the muslim fundamentalists of Pakistan might. I don't think Bin Laden would do much better in the public relaitions department than he currently does - with or without Pakistan.

The man has mythic proportions.

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Quote[/b] ]It would not be to hard for Pakistan to unify most of the muslim world against the west with the power that you got fom nukes

Hardly, the muslim world only have the religion in common. Their interests are far too diversified to be joined to one common cause. That has always been their problem and their missery.

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...........in adition it would be easier to find other allies for such a goal as a millitary capable country ,country's like North Korea and even China still have a few unresolved problems with the west to solve.

Those nations have nothing in common, and they have different agendas. China has a booming economy and I'm sure they'll like to keep it that way. North Korea has a tyrant playing his own game and he's likely to stay on that path. For those nations to join up is just as likely as if Iceland joined up as Namibia's ally  crazy_o.gif

  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]Afcourse i'm speculating ,however i guess it's not that hard to foresee that Al-Quaida taking power in Pakistan would uninvitably lead to a highly dirty war.

That I think we can agree on, however this one would probably be the worst scenario of them all:

  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]Lets just hope that should Musharrav be toppled that Some Indian Armored devissions race to Islamabad to rectify the situation.

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  [b said:
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  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]As far as Tyrants go Musharrav is one of the better ones though.

LOL - only a person with freedom can be so ignorant.

Well that can be true ,i'm not exactly a specialist on Pakistan politics.However there seems to be enough bad alternative's to Musharrav's rule ,so my comment was rather pointed ti the fact that under his rule the country is relative stable and alligned to the west in the war agianst terrorists.But then you could probably point out some grimmer fact's of his personality.

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  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]You see if Bin Laden would be able to seize power in Pakistan ,than that would not give him only power of the country and it's capabilety's but also of it's influencein the Muslim world

Bin Laden would never seize power in Pakistan, however, the muslim fundamentalists of Pakistan might. I don't think Bin Laden would do much better in the public relaitions department than he currently does - with or without Pakistan.

The man has mythic proportions.

With or withought Bin Laden ,the muslim fundamentalists of Pakistan seem highly alligned to the Ideoligy that Al-Quaida uses.It is well known that a majority of Al-Quaida members are trained in the thousands of "madrassa's" pakistan count's ,religous shool's that tuder highly anti-western propaganda.Many of the powerfull religious fundamentalists engaged in Pakistani's politics or millitary have connections to these madrassa's and the religious Leaders leading those.So while Bin Laden might officialy not take over ,the religious fundamentalists that would would be probably highly aligned to Al-Quaida ideoligy and highly anti-western.That is afcourse for as far as i have knowledge of religious fundamentalism in Pakistan.

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  [b said:
Quote[/b] ]It would not be to hard for Pakistan to unify most of the muslim world against the west with the power that you got fom nukes

Hardly, the muslim world only have the religion in common. Their interests are far too diversified to be joined to one common cause. That has always been their problem and their missery.

Ok it was speculating but then again can you really foresee anyhow how the world would react to a nuclear capable religious fundamentalist Pakistan?

One has to take acount extortion and threatening with nukes to force into alliance.How hard would it be for a Fundamentalists Pakistan to pull for ex Iran in it's alliance if it had proven succesfull with a nuclear attack to destroy a majority of Nato presence in the Middle east?Take a nuke and drop it in the Persian gulf to obliterate the U.S Navy present ,toghether with a nuke attack on a number of other important location's ,a pretty potent show of force that might convice many Muslim country's to join their alliance.Afcourse ,it depends on some country's maybe willing to retaliate nuclear ,like the U.S or India ,however the willingness for that may be questionable deffinatly when extensivly threatened for a major Nuclear attack if retaliation should happen.This is the danger with religious fundamentalists ,while normal country's use nuke's usually as a detterent to war ,they would really use it exstensivly ,they are not afraid to die in a suicide bomb attack why would a suicide nuke attack be different.

Bare in mind that a fundamentalists Pakistan would have the chance for an all out first strike ,the initial power difference that such a destruction would create for the West would be hughe and would highly affect it's capabilety's to defend itself.This would create a power vacuum in the world that other country's might use to expand.

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...........in adition it would be easier to find other allies for such a goal as a millitary capable country ,country's like North Korea and even China still have a few unresolved problems with the west to solve.

Those nations have nothing in common, and they have different agendas. China has a booming economy and I'm sure they'll like to keep it that way. North Korea has a tyrant  playing his own game and he's likely to stay on that path. For those nations to join up is just as likely as if Iceland joined up as Namibia's ally  crazy_o.gif

But then there were lot's of difference's between alliance partner's in WWII to ,take Japan and Germany to some extent.

What they had most in coman was a need for more raw resources.

Take China's position ,yes it's economy is booming ,but it's import's for energy consumption are to.The need for raw resources for the country are hughe ,and it lack's many of them.Then again ,that weakly defended Siberia on their border is full of raw resources.I'm not saying that under normal circumstances China would easily go to war with Russia these days ,however China is probably due to it's manpower alone already the most powerfull country in the world ,and in an event where the West's capability's would be deminished China could begin to press claim's on for ex. Taiwain ,even Japan or parts of Siberia.In addition Pakistan's fundamentalists would go into conflict with India quick ,a chance for China to beat it's strongest contester before it's to powerfull.

My speculation's might look farfetched ,however really all is depending on what the new Pakistani goverment would do with it's nuclear potential should Musharrav's goverment be toppled by religious fundamentalists.In my oppinion a number of red buttons would be pushed quite easily after a Fundamentalists coup in Pakistan.

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  (Apollo @ Mar. 16 2004,05:51) said:
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Quote[/b] ]As far as Tyrants go Musharrav is one of the better ones though.

Ahlan wa sahlahn, Ahlan wa sahlahn. Welcome to the club. smile_o.gif

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