Us presidential election 2004

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Have you posted up at their forum asking those swiftboat crew men with their medals to stand up beside George Bush Jnr. at the republican convention yet?  

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a non-partisan organization. It is up to Bush/cheney team to invite them....

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd.htm

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE AUG 03, 2004 21:35:02 ET XXXXX

ANTI-KERRY VETS GATHER FOR ASSAULT; BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'

**Exclusive**

A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:

Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire.

All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.

A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.

Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.

Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter.

Kerry's reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go -- becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months.

The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play, and the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency. How low can they go?"

Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

UNFIT FOR COMMAND will not be released until August 15.

The names. The details. All on the record.

Beginning tomorrow, the DRUDGE REPORT will break the embargo.

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[Bernadotte 0]

The Drudge Report?  

 LMAO  

How low will you go, billybob2002?

[Bernadotte 0]

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a non-partisan organization.

You're joking again, right?  

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was founded just a few months ago by this guy, John O'Neill.

Who is John O'Neill?

According to a NewYorker article published several months before SBVFT was founded he was a pro-Vietnam War vet that President Richard Nixon dug up to oppose Kerry's anti-war campaign.  Charles Colson, one of Nixon's chief advisors, had the following to say about their anti-Kerry strategy:

Quote[/b] ]Years later, Chuck Colson—who was Nixon’s political enforcer—told me, “He [Kerry] was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O’Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O’Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to boost his group.â€

Here he is (left) being coached by Richard Nixon and Nixon's PR specialist, Colson, ahead of debating Kerry on TV in 1971.

Non-partisan.

 LMAO

[Longinius 1]

I dont know if this has been posted, couldnt find it... Anyway, its a good one.

http://www.plur.net/thisland.html

[DarkLight 0]

I dont know if this has been posted, couldnt find it... Anyway, its a good one.

http://www.plur.net/thisland.html

Seen it already, dunno where, might've been somewhere else...

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Here he is (left) being coached by Richard Nixon and Nixon's PR specialist, Colson, ahead of debating Kerry on TV in 1971.

Non-partisan.

I want Kerry-O’Neill II.... Who cares if he has not have a lovely relationship with Kerry. If his book has any truth to it, would you like to know....

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The Drudge Report?  

 LMAO  

How low will you go, billybob2002?

No worse than other people who post stuff from socialist sites... (At least that guy broke the Clinton bj story)

[billybob2002 0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....arriage

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Missouri Voters Approve Gay Marriage Ban

16 minutes ago  Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

By KELLY WIESE, Associated Press Writer

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - Missouri voters solidly endorsed a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, a decision that was closely watched by national groups on both sides of the battle.

With nearly all precincts reporting, the amendment had garnered 71 percent of the vote, according to unofficial results for Tuesday's vote. It was the first such vote since the historic ruling in Massachusetts last year that legalized same-sex weddings there.

Although the ban was widely expected to pass in conservative Missouri, experts said the campaign served as a key barometer for which strategies work as at least nine other states, and perhaps as many as 12, vote on similar amendments this year.

Missouri and 37 other states already have laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. But amendment supporters fear a court could toss aside the state law, and they believe the state would be on firmer legal ground if an outright ban is part of the Constitution.

"I'm very gratified and encouraged and thankful that the people of this state understand our current policy's a wise public policy and they want to see it protected from a legal challenge," said Vicky Hartzler, a spokeswoman for the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri.

Opponents said the amendment was unnecessary and discriminatory, but knew they faced an uphill battle in Missouri.

"We're already reaching out to these other states, sharing with them what we learned, what worked, what didn't work, and we'll move on," said Doug Gray, campaign manager for the Constitution Defense League. "Ultimately we're right and they're simply wrong."

Supporters and opponents of the amendment have used grassroots campaigns, knocking on doors and making phone calls to tell people about the issue. The group fighting the amendment, the Constitution Defense League, raised more than $360,000, largely from national gay-rights groups, and ran a television ad in the final days before the vote.

The group favoring the amendment, the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri, spread the word through churches and community events, raising just a few thousand dollars but saying public sentiment in Missouri was on their side.

Louisiana residents are to vote on a marriage amendment Sept. 18. Then Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah are to vote on the issue Nov. 2. Initiatives are pending in Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio.

Four states — Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska and Nevada — already have similar amendments in their constitutions.

I wonder how this is going to play in elections. Bush believes in a federal ban and Kerry believes that states should decide whether or not to ban gay marriage.

[Bernadotte 0]

If his book has any truth to it, would you like to know....

What could this book possibly reveal that would convince anyone that a decorated Vietnam war volunteer is less fit for command than a draft dodging, coke fiend who couldn't tear himself away from reading The Pet Goat when told his nation was under attack?

Only the most extreme right-wing Republican fanatics would be so utterly blind to the stupidity of comparing these 2 candidates on the basis of their war records.  Do yourself a favour, pal, and don't go there.

[walker 0]

Hi billybob2002

Ignore Bernadotte

Get these swift boat people with their medals and those Medal of honour winners you mentioned on the stage with George Bush Jnr. It will be great

This is the thing you can do for the Bush election. Start a campaign George Bush Jnr needs these guys on stage with him.

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Only the most extreme right-wing Republican fanatics would be so utterly blind to the stupidity of comparing these 2 candidates on the basis of their war records.  Do yourself a favour, pal, and don't go there.

They are not comparing.... they have a right critize Kerry because they are vets too

Quote[/b] ]Hi billybob2002

Ignore Bernadotte

Get these swift boat people with their medals and those Medal of honour winners you mentioned on the stage with George Bush Jnr. It will be great

This is the thing you can do for the Bush election. Start a campaign George Bush Jnr needs these guys on stage with him.

Kind Regards Walker

Walker is to cool for me....   Maybe they are already got them... Bush people have not release who is going to be speaking....or they could be doing a positive-theme convention....

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]Only the most extreme right-wing Republican fanatics would be so utterly blind to the stupidity of comparing these 2 candidates on the basis of their war records.  Do yourself a favour, pal, and don't go there.

They are not comparing.... they have a right critize Kerry because they are vets too

Ok, go there!  

[Akira 0]

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a non-partisan organization.

Just because they say it, don't make it so.

As has already stated, it was founded by a well known almost fanatical Anti-Kerry Vet.

That already makes it highly partisan, and puts it's objectivitiy in doubt, especially considering they are denouncing someone who was IN combat and endorsing someone who dodged combat.

Does it not also seem odd that they supposedly base their decisions (non-partisanly of course) on policy decisions, and still support Bush, someone who has failed the War on Terror, gotten the US involved in an unrelated quagmire in Iraq (after lying about it no less), and ignored every other human rights abuser and WMD possessor EXCEPT Iraq?

Yeah. Non-partisan my lilly white ass!

[Balschoiw 0]

What´s next ?

A deciding point for current vote could be that Kerry´s first words as baby were Mom and Dad but G.W Bush´s words were USA and Terrorism

I like those totally unbiased vet´s. And defending their ridiculous claims some guy here makes a perfect laughter also.

Oh well oh well, what will be next ?

"While G.W had only matchbox cars of US origin, Kerry had some italian matchbox cars AND a french 2CV matchbox car. Why does Kerry hate america so much ?"

Sorry but the level of this campaign and it´s supporters is so low that you could make a comedy of it...a bad one.

Wake me up when you are on facts again.

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]Only the most extreme right-wing Republican fanatics would be so utterly blind to the stupidity of comparing these 2 candidates on the basis of their war records.  Do yourself a favour, pal, and don't go there.

They are not comparing.... they have a right critize Kerry because they are vets too

It's really futile comparing them. At the end of the day, Kerry did his service in Nam. Bush did not.

And the whole Bush not doing his service properly is quite irrelevant by itself. Clinton did not do his service either but is still by many considered one of the greatest modern American presidents.

The thing about Bush is that it is one in a row of patterns of his behavior. He got into Yale because of Daddy. His grades were below the average. He got a nice position in the national guard because of Daddy and even got time off for running a political campaign. In business he was mediocre at best and Daddy bailed him out more than once. His political ambitions went nowhere until Daddy and Daddy's friends started backing him with enormous amounts of money.

Bottom line, Bush is a mediocre man at best. Bush Sr. was not. Jeb Bush is not, but W. really isn't the brightest crayon in the box.

Kerry, coming from a similar background performed quite differently. He had great ambitions early on and fulfilled them. You may think what you want about the man, but he is certainly not mediocre.

Now the mediocrity has certain appeal to Joe Average. In the last election Bush profiled himself as a likable guy you want to have a beer with. You should ask yourself however who you want leading your country: a mediocre guy who has never put much effort in anything in his life or a guy who cashed in on all opportunities that were given to him.

Also, this ‘personality contest’ is quite misguiding. Bush is one of the least important factors in the Bush administrations. By electing Bush, you get the neo-conservative agenda:

[*] Unilateral military action, pre-emptive strike policies

[*] Undelivered promises such as the head of Osama or a stable democracy in Iraq

[*] Spend money you don’t have, leaving the bill for future generations. Throw in some tax cuts that you can’t afford.

[*] Business takes preference over environment

[*] Control takes preference over civil liberties. (Patriot act and things like that)

[*] Overt bigotry (constitutional amendment against gay marriage)

[*] Religious fundamentalism

     -Advocating abortion bans

     -Stem cell research bans

     -Rather than the government helping the poor, they want to pay Christian religious organizations to provide charity. A meal and an indoctrination, all in one package.

      -Marriage incentives

[*] Wild, wild west

    -No gun control

    -No restrictions on assault weapons

[*] Lots of toilet paper (formerly known as the dollar)

[*] Incentives for US production to move to other countries.

[*] 35% more flag waving and free Freedom Fries with each vote.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The key is defence and the position of commander in chief. It is the one thing a President is suposed to do and yet it is the one thing the George Bush Jnr. is singularly bad at.

The thing is George Bush Jnr's tendency to freeze in an emergency. It is there on video for all to see reading an upside down book about a goat while his nation is under attack.

George Bush Jnr. did not even order one aircraft up to defend the capitol. In a time when America was under attack George Bush Jnr. froze and is not recorded making a single decision to defend the country while the plane that goes on to attack the US central Comand and Control site the Pentagon in the capitol flies unmolested for the 34 minutes from George Bush Jnr. knowing of the attack to its hitting the Pentagon

Dithering over defense decisions. It took 3 years and an entire commitee to drag him screaming and kicking to fix the intelligence failures of of 9/11 and when he needs to make those decisions he dithers again saying congress should have the recess to think about and maybe september too.

Even when he commands the army he sends it off to fight the wrong enemy an Iraq war which leaves Iraq a security basket case. The US millitary overstretched. The Middle East is destabalised as never before. Sudan knows it can string out the Dafur chrisis and the US President is so weak he has to water down the UN resolution so Khartoum wont call their bluff.

George Bush Jnr. has left the USA strategicly in the sh*t with few allies and more enemies. With a millitary that is badly out of position to defend South Korea. As a result foreign policy has suffered North Korea has realised it can develop Nukes and thumb its nose at an administration that is full of chicken hawks whos biographies show they wont risk their own skins presided over by a commander in chief who they have seen on video hesitates that they do not fear it.

Indications are that Iran is considering the same.  

It is this weekness on defense that is the key reason the US will have to choose a strong leader like John F. Kerry whos war record shows he will act in an emergency.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Overt bigotry (constitutional amendment against gay marriage)

Then Kerry supports overt bigtry by allowing the states choose whether or a gay person can marry (ala interracial marriage). Kerry does not support gay marriage but "civil unions" (which I do support and one of the few things I agree with him).

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 -Rather than the government helping the poor, they want to pay Christian religious organizations to provide charity. A meal and an indoctrination, all in one package.

Ever heard of welfare. Faith-based charities have helped a lot around the nation (esp. inner-cities).

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-Advocating abortion bans

I agree with Bush about the late-term abortion ban (except if the mother is in danger) but not complete ban. Does that make me a fundamentalist.

Quote[/b] ]-Marriage incentives

Too many baby daddies running around.

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Spend money you don’t have, leaving the bill for future generations. Throw in some tax cuts that you can’t afford.

Kerry is going to do the same thing to keep all his promises unless he starts to do some cutting and the taking back of the "rich" tax cuts is not going to do it (Bush will have to do some cutting if elected again).

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Undelivered promises such as the head of Osama or a stable democracy in Iraq

Time...

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Wild, wild west

   -No gun control

   -No restrictions on assault weapons

Gun control...hmmm, the funny thing about crime is that it is down under the Bush years.

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Lots of toilet paper (formerly known as the dollar)

They will just steal the euro....

Quote[/b] ]Sudan knows it can string out the Dafur chrisis and the US President is so weak he has to water down the UN resolution so Khartoum wont call their bluff.

Thye had to water it down because of certain people on the security council would of blocked the resolution.

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]Overt bigotry (constitutional amendment against gay marriage)

Then Kerry supports overt bigtry by allowing the states choose whether or a gay person can marry (ala interracial marriage). Kerry does not support gay marriage but "civil unions" (which I do support and one of the few things I agree with him).

I agree that Kerry's position is embarrasing as well. At least however he does not try to write it into the constitution.

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-Rather than the government helping the poor, they want to pay Christian religious organizations to provide charity. A meal and an indoctrination, all in one package.

Ever heard of welfare. Faith-based charities have helped a lot around the nation (esp. inner-cities).

I would call it exploiting poor people and brainwashing. You're letting religious organization take care of the shortcomings of your social protection net. You need to fix the social protection, not to force people to turn to organizations with an agenda.

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-Advocating abortion bans

I agree with Bush about the late-term abortion ban (except if the mother is in danger) but not complete ban. Does that make me a fundamentalist.

Bush advocates a complete ban.

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Spend money you don’t have, leaving the bill for future generations. Throw in some tax cuts that you can’t afford.

Kerry is going to do the same thing to keep all his promises unless he starts to do some cutting and the taking back of the "rich" tax cuts is not going to do it (Bush will have to do some cutting if elected again).

Kerry will first remove the new Bush tax cuts. That will bring in some money. If that ain't enough, he is more likely to do the fiscally responsible thing and make sure that the budget deficit is covered - even if it means raising taxes. Sorry, but that's the cold reality. You've spent more than you had. Now you have to pay it back. It's as simple as that. There is no magical cure for this huge budget deficit.

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Undelivered promises such as the head of Osama or a stable democracy in Iraq

Time...

I think 3 years should have been enough for Osama. As for Iraq, it's not really going in the right direction, so time is at least as likely to make the situation worse.

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Wild, wild west

-No gun control

-No restrictions on assault weapons

Gun control...hmmm, the funny thing about crime is that it is down under the Bush years.

No, what's funny is that 11/9 was according to you all the previous administration's fault, while their time in power had no lasting effects on crime. Yeah right. What you are seeing is the effect of the laws that the Clinton administration passed.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Kerry will first remove the new Bush tax cuts. That will bring in some money. If that ain't enough, he is more likely to do the fiscally responsible thing and make sure that the budget deficit is covered - even if it means raising taxes.

I think Kerry said he will not raise taxes for the middle class. The removal of the Bush tax cuts for rich can only pay for his healthcare plan...

Quote[/b] ]No, what's funny is that 11/9 was according to you all the previous administration's fault, while their time in power had no lasting effects on crime. Yeah right. What you are seeing is the effect of the laws that the Clinton administration passed.

I said both administrations share the blame....that no single person cannot be blame.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

If you weren't already convinced that this election will be one of the most retarded in history (see also the 1856 election), this one's for you: http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/204620elex07-30-04.htm

Quote[/b] ]Obtaining Cheney Rally Ticket Requires Signing Bush Endorsement

By Jeff Jones

Journal Staff Writer

Some would-be spectators hoping to attend Vice President Dick Cheney's rally in Rio Rancho this weekend walked out of a Republican campaign office miffed and ticketless Thursday after getting this news:

Unless you sign an endorsement for President George W. Bush, you're not getting any passes.

The Albuquerque Bush-Cheney Victory office in charge of doling out the tickets to Saturday's event was requiring the endorsement forms from people it could not verify as supporters.

State Rep. Dan Foley, R-Roswell, speaking on behalf of the Republican Party, said Thursday that a "known Democrat operative group" was intending to try to crash Saturday's campaign rally at Rio Rancho Mid-High School. He added that some people were providing false names and addresses and added that tickets for the limited-seating event should go to loyal Bush backers.

However, some who left the office off Osuna NE without tickets on Thursday said they're not affiliated with an operative group and should have a right to see their vice president without pledging their allegiance to Bush.

"I'm outraged at this. I'm being closed off by my own government. It's crazy," said East Mountains resident Pamela Random, who added that she is an unaffiliated voter.

John Wade of Albuquerque said he initially signed the endorsement but was having second thoughts before he even left the office. Wade, a Democrat, said he returned his tickets and demanded to get his endorsement form back.

"It's not right for me to have to sign an endorsement to hear (Cheney) speak," Wade said. "I'm still pissed. This just ain't right."

Yier Shi, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, which is putting on Saturday's event, confirmed that those interested in seeing Cheney were asked to sign an endorsement form if they couldn't be verified as Bush-Cheney supporters.

He said campaign workers got such verification by checking to see whether, among other things, someone has contributed money or volunteered for the campaign. When asked whether workers were also checking the party affiliation of those asking for tickets, he said that was a possibility.

John Sanchez, chairman of the Bush-Cheney '04 re-election effort in the Southwest, said he wasn't aware of the endorsement matter, adding, "I would be surprised" if it was happening. However, he said he works directly for the Bush-Cheney campaign and the rally is a Republican National Committee event.

An endorsement form provided to the Journal by Random says: "I, (full name) ... do herby (sic) endorse George W. Bush for reelection of the United States." It later adds that, "In signing the above endorsement you are consenting to use and release of your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush."

A Journal reporter, who is a registered Democrat, called to inquire about a ticket Thursday afternoon. He was asked for his name, address and driver's license number but was not told over the telephone that he would need to sign any endorsement form. He got the news after arriving at the Bush-Cheney office.

Random and Wade said they were also not informed of the requirement until they showed up at the office.

Another Journal employee, who is a registered Republican, visited the office Thursday morning and got a ticket without being asked to sign the form.

The John Kerry/John Edwards campaign on Thursday issued a news release that asked, "Shouldn't all New Mexicans have the right to see their VP?"

Ruben Pulido Jr., a spokesman for that campaign, said the Democratic Party has no screening requirements for those interested in seeing Kerry or Edwards.

When Kerry visited Albuquerque earlier this month, a contingent of Bush supporters were in the crowd. The Associated Press has reported that the group chanted "Viva Bush!" during the event. The AP added that Kerry urged the crowd to tolerate the Bush supporters.

Moses Mercado, head of the Kerry-Edwards campaign in New Mexico, was in Boston on Thursday for the Democratic National Convention. He challenged Republicans to open their event "to all New Mexicans."

"I love when they come to New Mexico, but I wish they'd talk to New Mexicans and let New Mexicans hear their plan," Mercado said. "Because I think they (New Mexicans) really are hungry. They want answers."

Foley countered that Republicans weren't invited to Kerry's nomination-acceptance speech Thursday evening at that convention.

"This is a political event— just like (Thursday night)," Foley said of Cheney's upcoming visit.

Shi said the Rio Rancho event is intended to "energize" Bush-Cheney supporters, and organizers don't want it disrupted.

"We've received dozens and dozens of calls from Kerry-Edwards (supporters) who have used deceitful tactics to try and get in and disrupt this event," he said. "Our supporters have worked too hard to have an event like this get disrupted."

Security for Cheney's visit is exceptionally tight. There will be no parking at the school where he is to speak: Rally participants will instead be shuttled to the event.

Those without tickets, including protesters, are to be in a designated area across from the school.

Jim Tillery, a Rio Rancho teacher, signed the endorsement form when he came to the office Thursday afternoon. But he said he sees no problem with having Bush detractors in the crowd.

Tillery said there was a "mixed crowd" when Cheney made a visit to Rio Rancho in October 2000, and Cheney deftly handled questions from those detractors.

This time around, "my guess is they probably just wanted a rally of support rather than having the diggers or bashers mixed in with them," he said.

Also: http://drudgereport.com/ufd.htm (sorry for link to Drudge)

Quote[/b] ]BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'

**Exclusive**

A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:

# Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire.

# All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.

# A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.

# Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.

# Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter.

# Kerry's reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go -- becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months.

The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play, and the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency. How low can they go?"

Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

UNFIT FOR COMMAND will not be released until August 15.

So in case you were wondering when it would get *really* vicious and stupid, well- here you go.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]Kerry will first remove the new Bush tax cuts. That will bring in some money. If that ain't enough, he is more likely to do the fiscally responsible thing and make sure that the budget deficit is covered - even if it means raising taxes.

I think Kerry said he will not raise taxes for the middle class. The removal of the Bush tax cuts for rich can only pay for his healthcare plan...

so eliminating Bush tax cuts won't affect middle class

[Bernadotte 0]

@ Aug. 05 2004,05:18)]...

Also: http://drudgereport.com/ufd.htm (sorry for link to Drudge)

...

So in case you were wondering when it would get *really* vicious and stupid, well- here you go.

Been there, done that.  See previous page.  

[billybob2002 0]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....46

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Bruce and Friends Rock for Change

Wed Aug 4,11:40 AM ET  Add Entertainment - E! Online to My Yahoo!

By Charlie Amter

Bruce Springsteen (news) has finally been drafted.

After weeks of speculation as to whether or not the megastar would play a protest concert at Giants Stadium during the Republican National Convention, the Boss will eschew the solo show to play dates as part of Vote for Change, a tour featuring the likes of the Dixie Chicks (news - web sites), R.E.M (news - web sites)., the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, James Taylor (news), John Mellencamp (news) and Bonnie Raitt (news).

Two words: They suck

http://www.contactmusic.com/new....ocument

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STONE WANTED TO KISS BERRY IN CATWOMAN  

SHARON STONE blames US PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH for the absence of a lesbian kissing scene in CATWOMAN - because of the current conservative climate in America.

BASIC INSTINCT star Stone, 46, was keen to enjoy an intimate moment with OSCAR-winning co-star HALLE BERRY, but believes a puritanical streak running through the country put an end to any potential girl-on-girl action.

Stone says, "Halle's so beautiful and I wanted to kiss her. I said, 'How can you have us in the movie and not have us kiss? That's such a waste.'

"That's what you get for having George Bush as president."

MSNBC reported that also on tv....(catwoman story) Sharon hoe lips better not kiss sexy berry...    

What is up with both parties and some of the supporters....  

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Two words: They suck

One word: Respect !

Quote[/b] ]What is up with both parties and some of the supporters....

What´s up with you posting such nonsense ?