Us presidential election 2004

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Statement by Former Senator Bob Dole

Fri Sep 17 2004 00:39:35 ET

ARLINGTON, VA -- Former Senator Bob Dole issued the following statement:

"As Chairman of the Bush-Cheney Veterans Coalition, and as a veteran, I call on John Kerry to demand that MoveOn.org take down their ad depicting a defeated American soldier.

It's one thing to debate whether we should take the fight to the terrorists, but depicting an American soldier in effect surrendering in the battle against the terrorists is beyond the pale.

I cannot believe that John Kerry, who reminds us daily of his Vietnam service, would possibly approve the disgusting and demoralizing portrayal of American soldiers fighting for us in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

John Kerry has raised doubts about our troops' ability to maintain security as well as Iraqi's ability to decide their own future through elections. He has called the allies in Iraq "window dressing." This is all reminiscent of his appearance before a Senate Committee in 1971 where he suggested with nothing but second hand information American GIs were committing atrocities and war crimes of the worst kind in Vietnam.

This defeatist attitude undermines the great progress and sacrifices of our men and women in the military and the contributions of our allies who are fighting against terror and standing up for freedom around the world.

The politics of pessimism that is being pursued by John Kerry and the extreme liberals demonstrates they are consumed by the past with nothing to offer but attacks on the President's agenda for creating a safer world.

John, say it isn't so and denounce this latest effort to divide Americans"

[walker 0]

Hi all

As usual M21Man has not put a link to his source yet again (something embarasing me thinks) so here is a link to Move On http://www.moveon.org/front/

The Add he is talking about does not show US soldiers surendering it shows an actor sinking into a quagmire and is aimed squarely at the retreatism of the the Chickenhawk NeoConMen

Have a good search through the articles they are well worth reading to get an unbiased perspective on what is happening in the US and why you should be voting For John F. Kerry to give the US a strong military.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]why you should be voting For John F. Kerry to give the US a strong military.

Got proof? What has he done in the US Senate to help make the US military a strong one.

[DarkLight 0]

Quote[/b] ]why you should be voting For John F. Kerry to give the US a strong military.

Got proof? What has he done in the US Senate to help make the US military a strong one.

Your militairy is strong enough already, why waste even more money. There are people starving you know but yeah who gives a fuck about them, right? It's not ooouuuur problem...

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Your militairy is strong enough already, why waste even more money.  There are people starving you know but yeah who gives a fuck about them, right?  It's not ooouuuur problem...

I was responding about Walker's post saying that Kerry would make the military stronger..... got proof?

 

[walker 0]

Quote[/b] ]why you should be voting For John F. Kerry to give the US a strong military.

Got proof? What has he done in the US Senate to help make the US military a strong one.

Hi Billybob2002.

The proof of George Bush Junior's inability to lead is there for all to see.

Kerry Acts

It is like this there are people who act in an emergency, John Kerry who won the Bronze and Silver Star is one of those people.

Bush Freezes

Then there are people the freeze. It isn't their fault it is just the way they are. George Bush Junior is one of those who freezes.

The evidense is on video

It is there for all to see, he is a commander who is incapable of command. No if buts or maybes, when the chips were down George Bush Junior froze.

It is there indelibly written in video and on the public record in the 10 minutes required no orders for the nations defense. In the 20 minutes of photo call  opportunities; no orders for the nations defense. In the 34 minutes from his first being told: "America is under Attack!" to the last plane plowing into the Pentagon in the Nations Capitol; no orders for the nations defense.

Those of you who saw Band of Brothers will remember in the battle of Foy, it is a real historical event, there was a Lieutenant in charge of Easy Company who does exactly the same as George Bush Junior does on 9/11 he freezes unable to give orders. Those under his command are asking him what should we do all the time lives are being lost as those at the Pentagon were. Luckily in the Battle of Foy there is a commander, Major Winters, above that Lieutenant who orders a replacement Lieutenant in to the battle and the situation is saved.

In the case of the Commander in Chief there is no one above him to replace him. Except the electorate.

Consider it is your own life and lives of your family; your sons and daughters you are placing in the hands of a president who when the Chips are Down cant act. He Freezes. It is there recorded for all to see on video; his mind so terrified he cannot even stand and has to be told to stand up after the book reading.

Chickenhawk Retreatism

Then we have the strategic Retreatism of the whole Chickenhawk crowd of NeoConMen.

The US military won the battle for Afghanistan but it is the Chickenhawk crowd of NeoConMen who have lost it. Leaving Afghanistan so that now the Taliban control all but Kabul. All because they became distracted by Iraq.

The US military and the rest of the Coalition won the battle for Iraq and ousted Sadam but it is the Chickenhawk crowd of NeoConMen who have lost it. Leaving larger and larger swaithes of the country in the control of terrorists and insurgents and turning the Iraqi people against the US. The US military has been left to an ignominious bunker mentality because the people in charge do not know how, and had no plan, to win the peace.

The Chickenhawks are loosing the War on Terrorism

Under the Chickenhawk crowd of NeoConMen the US is loosing the war on terror which has spread like a cancer across the world with atrocity after atrocity. While the US military has been pulled from flashpoints all over the world. Leavin the US with less and less influence over world events and the breeding grounds for terrorism.

Troops in N. Korea have beeen reduced at a time when it has finaly become a nuclear power. The retreat from the Sunny Triangle and the Bath party controled Haifa Street area of Bahgdad has meant more and more terrorists are being trained. The failure to stabalize Pakistan with its borders with an incresingly Talibanised Afghanistan leaves the terifying prospect of Nuclear capable Al Qaida superstate if Musharef is deposed, assasinated or justs has a heart attack.

An America fearful of the the Next Attack

Every day we awake fearful of the next major attack on US soil by an Al Qaida that the NeoConMen have left to grow stronger by the day. The Chickenhawk NeoConMen have done nothing to stop it other than crying Wolf! So that now when the threat assesment goes up no one notices.

The Chickenhawk NeoConMen have damaged the reputation of the USA

The USA needs a leader who can win America alies not one who turns it in to a nation that is loathed for fighting a war that many may think was illegal and most now know was unjustified.

George Bush Junior Flip Flops in war.

The USA needs a strong leader who has the ability follow through. Not one who flip flops on the war as George Bush Junior has. Who liberates Afghanistan then gives it back to the Taliban. Who liberates Iraq then gives it to Al Qaida. Who vows to capture Falujha but then tells the troops to retreat. Who warns N. Korea not to develop Nukes then pulls out the troops who are suposed to guard the border. Who promises world security but then leaves us with a world with more terrorism than it has ever experienced with now daily bombings.

America Needs a New Leader, it is Time for Change

In a war the USA needs a President who will act. Not one who freezes in abject terror.

In this time of fear the USA needs a Commander in Chief with a proven record under fire.

The USA needs a President to bring hope back to the country the USA needs John F. Kerry.

That hope will come it will come in November when America Elects John F. Kerry as President.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hi Billybob2002.

The proof have of George Bush Junior's inability to lead is there for all to see.

Quote[/b] ]Troops in N. Korea have beeen reduced at a time when it has finaly become a nuclear power

The previous level of troops on the border did not mean jackshit to the North Koreans. You must of forgot they were developing nukes while the US had more troops on the border than Bush wants.

Quote[/b] ]Who vows to capture Falujha but then tells the troops to retreat.

The world community was bitchin....

Anyway, you still have not have tell what has Kerry done in the Senate to make the military stronger. He spent more than 20 years in Senate and a few months inside of Vietnam. Talk about his Senate career...

Still love you, Walker...

So it goes,

Billybob2002

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Troops in N. Korea have beeen reduced at a time when it has finaly become a nuclear power

North Korea is a nuclear power. The amount of US infantry along the border wouldn't mean shit if the North Koreans launched a preemptive nuclear strike.

Quote[/b] ]Kerry Acts

It is like this there are people who act in an emergency, John Kerry who won the Bronze and Silver Star is one of those people.

What Kerry did as a soldier 30 years ago is far less relevant than his voting record, where he consistently voted against armament improvements for US soldiers. Kerry's record as a soldier matters far less than his record as a politician (And POTUS is a politician, not a soldier).

Quote[/b] ]That hope will come it will come in November when America Elects John F. Kerry as President.

What have I told you about ODing on melange?

[walker 0]

Quote[/b] ]Troops in N. Korea have beeen reduced at a time when it has finaly become a nuclear power

North Korea is a nuclear power. The amount of US infantry along the border wouldn't mean shit if the North Koreans launched a preemptive nuclear strike.

You mean the preemptive strike it can now launch on the USA? With no threat of the USA striking back across the border to destroy the misile sites? You mean the potential it has to now to invade South Korea under the threat to the US homeland? You mean the history of a leader who freezes in fear, dithers in command and then attacks the wrong enemy?

Quote[/b] ]Kerry Acts

It is like this there are people who act in an emergency, John Kerry who won the Bronze and Silver Star is one of those people.

What Kerry did as a soldier 30 years ago is far less relevant than his voting record, where he consistently voted against armament improvements for US soldiers. Kerry's record as a soldier matters far less than his record as a politician (And POTUS is a politician, not a soldier).

You realy need to understand what a Commander in Chief is. No General or soldier can move without the Commander in Chief's say so. That is the idea of a President. Otherwise you can just get by with a congress and a senate.

That is why the next President of the USA must be John F. Kerry.

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

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Kind Regards Walker

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]With no threat of the USA striking back across the border to destroy the misile sites? You mean the potential it has to now to invade South Korea under the threat to the US homeland?

Yes Walker, it would be a great idea for the US soldiers to charge into a territory where they're vastly outnumbered. Actually, it would be a pointless massacre, as the US soldiers would have no way to reach the deeply inland silos before they were all surrounded and killed. Realistically, the US forces in South Korea aren't a nuclear deterent. US ballistic missiles are.

Quote[/b] ]who freezes in fear, dithers in command

Having seen images from the video, Bush was barely even noticing the classroom activities. Nor did he look tremendously fearful in any of the pictures. I feel that he did the right thing by keeping cool and not leaping onto Air Force One at the first sign of danger.

Quote[/b] ]and then attacks the wrong enemy

For what I'm sure will not be the last time, the 9/11 Report presented information that connected Iraq and Al Qaeda. Not Iraq and 9/11, but Iraq and Al Qaeda had connections. In fact, a Democrat from the 9/11 Commission came right out and stated this after it was misrepresented by newspapers.

Quote[/b] ]You realy need to understand what a Commander in Chief is. No General or soldier can move without the Commander in Chief's say so.

Thank you for pointing that out. Are you done reviewing highlights from my 6th grade Civics course?

Kerry's voting record in the Senate is far more important than his actions 30+ years ago. Over and over again, he's voted against technology to improve the fighting power of the military. The AH-64 and the Bradley (I'm pretty sure about the Bradley) were among a large number of projects that he voted against. Doesn't it say something to you that he's shown over and over that he doesn't care much for the fighting ability of the American soldier ? His behavior towards the fighting power of the US military as a whole is far more important than his four months of combat service over 30 years ago.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Quote[/b] ]BUSH 'TOOK COCAINE AT CAMP DAVID' Sep 6 2004

And wife Laura liked dope, says book

By Emma Pryer

GEORGE W Bush snorted cocaine at Camp David, a new book claims.

His wife Laura also allegedly tried cannabis in her youth.

Author Kitty Kelley says in her biography The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, that the US President first used coke at university in the mid-1960s.

She quotes his former sister-in-law Sharon Bush who claims: "Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either."

Other acquaintances allege that as a 26-year-old National Guard, Bush "liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news....ge.html

What is this we are hearing about George Bush Junior having to do time on a community service project as part of a Cocain sentence? If he has been a convicted criminal how come he ever made it as president I thought that was illegal.

Astonished walker

[Akira 0]

Its funny the hypocrisy the Bush Fan Club spouts out about N. Korea and nuclear power, how we should pull out and blah blah blah.

What happened to the conviction for WMDs? Or are we spreading democracy and liberating those under tyrants this week?

Which is?

I guess N. Korea doesn't fit either of those eh? I wonder why? I'm sure it has nothing with decompossing dinosaurs.

Listen to the bullshit you keep spouting and trying to convince yourself of. Open your fucking eyes and minds.

[turms 0]

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy on Friday rejected a legal watchdog group's request to open an investigation into military awards given to Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry during the Vietnam War, saying his medals were properly approved.

"Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed," the Navy's inspector general, Vice Admiral Ronald Route, said in a memo written to Navy Secretary Gordon England.

"In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards."

Backslash a bitch.

Reuters

[blackdog~ 0]

turms: that proves nothing

walker: no way you can 100% verify that

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Its funny the hypocrisy the Bush Fan Club spouts out about N. Korea and nuclear power, how we should pull out and blah blah blah.

What happened to the conviction for WMDs? Or are we spreading democracy and liberating those under tyrants this week?

Which is?

I guess N. Korea doesn't fit either of those eh? I wonder why? I'm sure it has nothing with decompossing dinosaurs.

Listen to the bullshit you keep spouting and trying to convince yourself of. Open your fucking eyes and minds.

You need to open your fucking eyes and mind, too. What has John Kerry said about North Korea?

Quote[/b] ]What is this we are hearing about George Bush Junior having to do time on a community service project as part of a Cocain sentence? If he has been a convicted criminal how come he ever made it as president I thought that was illegal.

Astonished walker

Find another source about the Camp David story. Sharon Bush has came out saying that she did not see Bush do coke at Camp David.

Have you still find anything out about the war crimes claims?

[turms 0]

blackdog~: It proves that he has earned his medals, just like rest of the vets. You can believe the authority that actually gave the medals, or you can believe swiftliars.

[turms 0]

Bush has been indeed convicted for Driving Under Influence, DUI.

Quote[/b] ]On September 4, 1976, a state trooper saw Bush's car swerve onto the shoulder, then back onto the road. [The Bush camp spin that he was driving too slowly is simply a lie.] Bush failed a road sobriety test and blew a .10 blood alcohol, plead guilty, and was fined and had his driver's license suspended. His spokesman says that he had drunk "several beers" at a local bar before the arrest. Bush was 30 at the time. He now says that he stopped drinking when he turned 40 because it was a problem.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy on Friday rejected a legal watchdog group's request to open an investigation into military awards given to Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry during the Vietnam War, saying his medals were properly approved.

"Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed," the Navy's inspector general, Vice Admiral Ronald Route, said in a memo written to Navy Secretary Gordon England.

"In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards."

Backslash a bitch.

Reuters

must be a liberal conspiracy right? after all US Navy is bastion of liberals.

[turms 0]

Many pages ago:

Billybobs quote

Quote[/b] ]

Have you ever provided any hard evidence that refutes any of SBVfT's main charges (That Kerry grossly exaggerated injuries and claims of heroism)? Merely calling something a "pure fantasy" doesn't change anything.

[Bernadotte 0]

Bush has been indeed convicted for Driving Under Influence, DUI.

And so has Dick Cheney; twice.  

...my major is criminal justice...

Oh the irony.

[Bernadotte 0]

If you live in Alabama the DEADLINE to Register is October 22nd

If you live in Nevada the DEADLINE to Register is October 2nd.

That's just two weeks from today.

Here is a list showing each state's voter registration deadline.

About half of all states will not allow you to vote if you have not registered before the 2nd week of October.

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Backslash a bitch.

There isn't any backslash to that. All that the Navy announced was that the awards process was handled correctly. It said nothing about how Slightly Scratched Kerry cheerfully accepted Purple Hearts for even the most minor of wounds.

Quote[/b] ]Its funny the hypocrisy the Bush Fan Club spouts out about N. Korea and nuclear power, how we should pull out and blah blah blah.

What happened to the conviction for WMDs? Or are we spreading democracy and liberating those under tyrants this week?

Hypocrisy? Iraq was invaded because intel indicated that they were trying to develop WMDs, including long-range missiles. North Korea already has long-range missiles and a certain neighbor to the north. No matter who's elected president in November, the US is not going to be getting aggressive with a nuclear power. One does not launch a preemptive war against a nuclear power that can potentially hit targets in California.

[EiZei 0]

Quote[/b] ]Its funny the hypocrisy the Bush Fan Club spouts out about N. Korea and nuclear power, how we should pull out and blah blah blah.

What happened to the conviction for WMDs? Or are we spreading democracy and liberating those under tyrants this week?

Hypocrisy? Iraq was invaded because intel indicated that they were trying to develop WMDs, including long-range missiles. North Korea already has long-range missiles and a certain neighbor to the north. No matter who's elected president in November, the US is not going to be getting aggressive with a nuclear power. One does not launch a preemptive war against a nuclear power that can potentially hit targets in California.

What have you been smoking lately? N. Korea cant even reach Alaska, not to mention california.

Are there still some people believing that intelligence failure revisionist bullshit?

Quote[/b] ]

There isn't any backslash to that. All that the Navy announced was that the awards process was handled correctly. It said nothing about how Slightly Scratched Kerry cheerfully accepted Purple Hearts for even the most minor of wounds.

At least he had some kind of wounds unlike certain other presidential candidates.

[Akira 0]

Hypocrisy? Iraq was invaded because intel indicated that they were trying to develop WMDs, including long-range missiles. North Korea already has long-range missiles and a certain neighbor to the north. No matter who's elected president in November, the US is not going to be getting aggressive with a nuclear power. One does not launch a preemptive war against a nuclear power that can potentially hit targets in California.

Holy crap!

Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy??

Bush espouses the threat of WMDs in the world and to the US and then ignores the power that does have WMDs, with verified claims, and instead goes after the country that posed absolutely no threat what so ever to the US. NONE.

Where as N. Korea on many occasions has directly threatened the US.

Quote[/b] ]hy·poc·ri·sy Audio pronunciation of "hypocrisy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)

n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

2. An act or instance of such falseness.

Quote[/b] ]You need to open your fucking eyes and mind, too. What has John Kerry said about North Korea?

Quote[/b] ]Kerry says diplomacy is compromise, inferring that Mr. Bush's policy with North Korea is responsible for "letting a nuclear nightmare develop," as Kerry is quoted in Monday's New York Times.

Quote[/b] ]On March 19, 2003, the war in Iraq began. If war is the last resort of failed diplomacy, President Bush viewed Iraq as a greater threat than North Korea.

John Kerry does not. Repeatedly on the stump, the Democratic nominee cites North Korea as the primary threat of the time.

It also might add that countries directly involved in the crisis want Kerry, and NOT Bush. That includes South Korea.

And let us not forget:

Quote[/b] ]

As the Bush administration pressed Congress to authorize an invasion of Iraq in October 2002, diplomacy in North Korea was at its lowest point in a decade. In breach of its agreement with the United States, the North Koreans had just admitted to pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

As North Korea escalated tensions with the United States in the ensuing months, the Bush administration focused full throttle on pressuring Iraq to cede totally to its terms. If Iraq did not, invasion was threatened.

So next time I suggest you do a simple Google search before shooting off your ill-informed mouth.