Which addon has been done to death?

[ShadowY 0]

That Bayonet doesnt works does it? But INQ weapon pack is nice.

The bayonet works! with some practice you get used to the animation  

Dunno about the OICW I never used it ingame

[redhawk_six 0]

That Bayonet doesnt works does it? But INQ weapon pack is nice.

The bayonet works! with some practice you get used to the animation  

Dunno about the OICW  I never used it ingame

The Bayonet on the OICW works, it's got some pretty cool slash animations.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

I know that DKM had a FN-FAL (pre-Reistance)

Yeah, DKM has an FN FAL out. If you think you can do better, then by all means do it, is my message.

The simple fact is, it's not up to anyone here if an addon maker decides to make another M4 pack or similar addon. If they want to make an addon becuase they like it, then they can and there's F.A. you can do about it, luckily. You forget that modmakers do this for fun, and if the fun is in building the weapon, then that's why they make so many. If they do better, then great. If they dont, so what? Dont download it, but for christs sake dont moan on "We have too much choice, people are donating addons to us free of charge with no obligations or any other agreements and we dont like it"

It's just wrong, selfish and missing the point that these addons arent neccersairly built for you, so you have no choie in the matter.

If someone wanted to make thier favourite addon then they should without any pressure to make an addon they are less interrested in, and if they are forced into an addon they dont care about, it will impact the quality of that addon.

Oh yeah, about "dont make any more M4s, BAS made the benchmark"

Well just becuase BAS made it doesnt mean people cant do better..like with TOw's deltas and littlebirds.

Just shut up and accept what you are given. If you dont like it then fine, but what gives you the right to have a go at someone for doing something they want to do? Do you honestly think you control what people make in thier free time?

This topic is so much like many others demanding things from addon makers.

This post is not aimed at any one person, it's just my response to the views expressed by a large section of the ofp community.

**this post is not nessercailry the views of DKM, they are my own and solely my own. If you wish to take a disliking to me for my views, then let that dislike rest on me alone and not DKM, who had no part in the making of this post. If you have any complaints about the content of this post, tell a moderator or go comlain to someone who'll listen.**

[Major Fubar 0]

Yes Jaguar, I agree. Addon makers are free to make whatever they want.

And the OFP community are free to ignore it if it has been done a hundred times before.

Wouldn't most addon makers want their addon to be used by people? Because I can almost guarantee that if an addon has been done to death, almost nobody will be using it in their missions - and that would be a real shame.

I have to say, while it is rude and wrong for people to offer unconstuctive criticism of people's hard work in addons, I am getting a bit tired of how "precious" some addon makers and addon teams (not aimed at anyone in particular, so save those nasty PMs ) are being lately. Seems the community can hardly comment these days without causing someone to get into a huff, unless it is comments like "Wow, the most amazing thing I have ever seen - nice work!".

[Acecombat 0]

OK i'll say it one more time clearly:

THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A REQUEST AND NOT MEANT TO BE AN ORDER

Get it everyone now calm down , the theme and purpose behind this thread was to politely tell people that some addons have been MADE and they are good enough for a majority of US , therefore no need to waste YOUR precious time making it again ,HOWEVER as Jaguar said if you feel it gives YOU pleasure make it again    [but plz dont send it on the news to ofp.cz   ]

J/k

Quote[/b] ]Seems the community can hardly comment these days without causing someone to get into a huff, unless it is comments like "Wow, the most amazing thing I have ever seen - nice work!".  

Yes i wonder why is that  

[Apollo 0]

I dont think anyone has kept the count on Tiger tanks being made for WWII.

[Gollum1 0]

I think this thread is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism at its best. And stop assuming things, no-one is ordering anyone to do anything! Of course people can do what they want, but, as Fubar said, they probably want people to use them too.

I´m also sick of the "precious" attitude that SOME people have. I respect teams that take it easy and ignore whiners, but I tend to have a negative view of those that are whiners themselves...not naming any names here.

And, again, these are just MY opinions.

[ShadowY 0]

I dont think anyone has kept the count on Tiger tanks being made for WWII.  

My guess is that you didn`t neither 

[Matthijs 40]

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What the hell am I doing here?

[Lt_Phoenix 0]

To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as overdoing an addon.

There's always room for improvements.

As someone else pointed out previously in this thread:

"If you don't like it, don't DL it!"

It's as simple as that

Just my 0.02$

[stgn 39]

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What the hell am I doing here?

I would guess that you trying to reply to the thread, but you could just be spamming

I think the least thing you could do is to support new addons makers so they get a good expirence when joining the forum so they will keep on making addons that others can enjoy.

It is hard to keep up the spirit if you only meet resistance.

STGN

[Acecombat 0]

To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as overdoing an addon.

There's always room for improvements.

As someone else pointed out previously in this thread:

"If you don't like it, don't DL it!"

It's as simple as that

Just my 0.02$

How about i give you a dollar to keep your mouth closed

As i said its not about not downloading or downloading .... its about the authors themselves. Do they REALLY want to make something which no one really wants Do they want to see their precious work ignored ?? AND dont tell me that all you supporters of thousands of M-4s have downloaded and played each and everyone of them faithfully

The point is that authors should strive for originality and make something which has appeal and people will download and they will get respect for doing something for US community which we always wanted.

Thats my 000.001$

[Gollum1 0]

AND dont tell me that all you supporters of thousands of M-4s have downloaded and played each and everyone of them faithfully  

Ok so the amount of M4s isn´t THAT bad, of course I´m looking forward to the new BAS M4s, it´s just an example of an overdone addon.

Oh and what currency do you have in SA, acecombat?

[Matthijs 40]

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What the hell am I doing here?

I would guess that you trying to reply to the thread, but you could just be spamming

I think the least thing you could do is to support new addons makers so they get a good expirence when joining the forum so they will keep on making addons that others can enjoy.

It is hard to keep up the spirit if you only meet resistance.

STGN

Amen brother.

I had actually placed a reply, but then changed my mind and edited the post.

If someone wants to make an M16, why not? I know I'm reworking, and expanding my Diemaco series rifles, which are almost identical to the M16's. Reason: just because I think it's pure fun. Also, it does seem like there IS some demand for them. For anyone that doesn't like the idea, don't download them. The original M16 and XM177 work just as well and don't require extra downloading.

Remember that most add-on makers are making infantry weapons to learn the ropes of modelling. As everyone naturally selects his favorite weapon, and the M16/M4 being a popular weapon thanks to Hollywood, it's just plain logical that there's a bulk of AR15 variants for OFP. The same goes for supersonic jet-aircraft.

Like someone stated about people bitching on the lack of missions: "So stop b****ing, and do something about it."

Either set up a website that keeps track of what's already there and whats not, or go make us a nice new and original add-on. like an Osprey.

(oooo... that would be nice, wouldn't it?)

[waffendennis 0]

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What the hell am I doing here?

I would guess that you trying to reply to the thread, but you could just be spamming

I think the least thing you could do is to support new addons makers so they get a good expirence when joining the forum so they will keep on making addons that others can enjoy.

It is hard to keep up the spirit if you only meet resistance.

STGN

Amen brother.

I had actually placed a reply, but then changed my mind and edited the post.

If someone wants to make an M16, why not? I know I'm reworking, and expanding my Diemaco series rifles, which are almost identical to the M16's. Reason: just because I think it's pure fun. Also, it does seem like there IS some demand for them. For anyone that doesn't like the idea, don't download them. The original M16 and XM177 work just as well and don't require extra downloading.

Remember that most add-on makers are making infantry weapons to learn the ropes of modelling. As everyone naturally selects his favorite weapon, and the M16/M4 being a popular weapon thanks to Hollywood, it's just plain logical that there's a bulk of AR15 variants for OFP. The same goes for supersonic jet-aircraft.

Like someone stated about people bitching on the lack of missions: "So stop b****ing, and do something about it."

Either set up a website that keeps track of what's already there and whats not, or go make us a nice new and original add-on. like an Osprey.

(oooo... that would be nice, wouldn't it?)

True about the planes but wy are there no new A10's or SU25's and other planes are made to dead.

[earl 0]

Addonmakers are not a labour force, to be organized efficiently. It's a whole mix of people with different interests and goals.

What you might not understand, as a player and not an addon-makers is that you have to be comfortable with the subject you are going to model. For beginners, that's typically something like an M4 as mentioned earlier. I find it pretty challenging to start on a brand new model that I'm not familiar with. I've made the M4 about 4 times now for different projects, and each time I get a LOT better because I've figured out more of the details.

When modeling the M249, I scrapped two starts, but I learned a lot each time. I also spend a lot of time looking at different photos and sketching details before I start.

For a beginner addonmaker, it's not easy to say "well, I can't beat that M4, so maybe I'll do a PRM-17b from the Republic of Some Desert Country using this grainy black and white photo, because that hasn't been done before".

Some people are just happy to make their favourite gun. And yeah, they show it on the forums or the news, and hope people like it.

So, just ignore those people who are duplicating addons. They have no responsibility to make something original. Chances are they'll never make missions with them, so you'll never even use it. You can be sure that an independent mission maker will choose the best M4 addon, and there may only be 2-3 of those that are even released (BAS, Inq, etc), so this complaint about 1000 m4's on your harddrive is a little ridiculous.

[waffendennis 0]

Addonmakers are not a labour force, to be organized efficiently.  It's a whole mix of people with different interests and goals.

What you might not understand, as a player and not an addon-makers is that you have to be comfortable with the subject you are going to model.  For beginners, that's typically something like an M4 as mentioned earlier.  I find it pretty challenging to start on a brand new model that I'm not familiar with.  I've made the M4 about 4 times now for different projects, and each time I get a LOT better because I've figured out more of the details.

When modeling the M249, I scrapped two starts, but I learned a lot each time.  I also spend a lot of time looking at different photos and sketching details before I start.

For a beginner addonmaker, it's not easy to say "well, I can't beat that M4, so maybe I'll do a PRM-17b from the Republic of Some Desert Country using this grainy black and white photo, because that hasn't been done before".

Some people are just happy to make their favourite gun.  And yeah, they show it on the forums or the news, and hope people like it.

So, just ignore those people who are duplicating addons.  They have no responsibility to make something original.   Chances are they'll never make missions with them, so you'll never even use it.  You can be sure that an independent mission maker will choose the best M4 addon, and there may only be 2-3 of those that are even released (BAS, Inq, etc), so this complaint about 1000 m4's on your harddrive is a little ridiculous.

Yea ok maybe it's ridiculous but:

Complaining is a standard for the people from this time... All what we do is complaining on evry thing what is posible so we may complain about the M4's right?

[Acecombat 0]

Heelllo Earl i understand what youre trying to say.

But i still have one problem with a statement you made , you said you scrapped everytime you made a model till you knew it was perfect , good to see you are a perfectionist but many people arent , secondly with the MOD business , the only thing i know with MOD's is that people who are 56k hate d/lding things twice even thrice and for OFP zillions of times ... and 56kers do form a majority.

It doesnt makes it any easier for me to d/d every MOD with tis own M-16-4 like Code Blue/Your marines/BAS/TOW/Godknows there are more there ... in total probably 10 more. So IS IT a GOOD IDEA for everyone to release his own ? It makes our life difficlut and FOR people with low RAM they cant play every mod then since OFP wont run (I just got letter from BIS they say you have many addons and i just got 1.46 GB on 512 RAM so you can guess what its like for 256 and 128 MB ram guys) .... Apart from that why dont MODs settle a standard among them ? Really bugs me as to why people have this problem (ego or what i fail to understand this?) , since many are making the same UNITS even from the same time period even if its not from the same time why dont you just ask the same dudes and edit it?

Just my 2 SR this time.

@Gollum we have Saudi Riyal here as currency

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

Quote[/b] ]Seems the community can hardly comment these days without causing someone to get into a huff, unless it is comments like "Wow, the most amazing thing I have ever seen - nice work!".  

Yes i wonder why is that  

Becuase addon makers dont need an ass chewing for every addon the user doesnt like... you'd get really sick of it.

Quote[/b] ]I´m also sick of the "precious" attitude that SOME people have. I respect teams that take it easy and ignore whiners, but I tend to have a negative view of those that are whiners themselves...not naming any names here.

You couldn't have made that any more obviously pointed at me, unless you put my name there, put it in a pm, sent it to me and wrote "this is for jaguar"

luckily four hours of sleep in two and a half days makes me not care....

just remember that DKM had no part in my post, I am the 'whiner' if anyone is (nice how when you guys have an opinion it's "constructive criticism" and when addon makers have an opinion it's "whining"). I dont even make addons, but i see the time, effort and skill involved from my team mates and i wonder how people can be so negative toward them.

Quote[/b] ]Like someone stated about people bitching on the lack of missions: "So stop b****ing, and do something about it."

Either set up a website that keeps track of what's already there and whats not, or go make us a nice new and original add-on. like an Osprey.

(oooo... that would be nice, wouldn't it?)

I know a story about someone who thinks there arent enough missions made, and then has a go at a trainee mission maker and put them off releasing a mission that is 99% ready. This is exactly the adverse situation created by moaning. If anyone wants to download said mission: Http://jaguarUK2.tripod.com and see the "missions/forums" section. (post any and all comments in there, so i know where to look)

btw: osprey... check DKM's site.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Becuase addon makers dont need an ass chewing for every addon the user doesnt like... you'd get really sick of it.

Where did i chew someone's a$$ on an addon , i was addressing the whole situation in general ,really sorry though if this is too much for some people to grasp

And remember this people who are determined and do make stuff just for THEIR pleasure never get put off , i mean would you care a LOT if i tomorrow criticised DKM's work , ofcourse no you would still make addons and still do missions so whats the whole point of your argument?

D/lded the mission btw will let you know how it is

Oh and checked DKMs site no osprey there?

[Gollum1 0]

As i said people who dont like to listen what to make or what not too and wanna work independent fine do so no problem with us.

Exactly, AC!

How many times do we have to repeat this, anyway!?

[Acecombat 0]

Probably a whale or something

As i said people who dont like to listen what to make or what not too and wanna work independent fine do so no problem with us.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

Quote[/b] ]Becuase addon makers dont need an ass chewing for every addon the user doesnt like... you'd get really sick of it.

Where did i chew someone's a$$ on an addon , i was addressing the whole situation in general ,really sorry though if this is too much for some people to grasp  

And remember this people who are determined and do make stuff just for THEIR pleasure never get put off , i mean would you care a LOT if i tomorrow criticised DKM's work , ofcourse no you would still make addons and still do missions so whats the whole point of your argument?

D/lded the mission btw will let you know how it is  

Oh and checked DKMs site no osprey there?  

No, i got what you meant.

I too was talking in a general sense, saying that addon makers get bored of critism. I never acctually said you did..

And your point about mission making: If i didnt love DKM's work so much, and if i didnt enjoy being on the team, then no, i wouldn't still be making missions. I almost gave up after someone started having a go at me before i even had anything released.

BTW: the osprey is on our aims page..and screenshots page. It's put down as a future project.    

i should have made that clear.

[Lt_Phoenix 0]

To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as overdoing an addon.

There's always room for improvements.

As someone else pointed out previously in this thread:

"If you don't like it, don't DL it!"

It's as simple as that

Just my 0.02$

How about i give you a dollar to keep your mouth closed  

As i said its not about not downloading or downloading .... its about the authors themselves. Do they REALLY want to make something which no one really wants Do they want to see their precious work ignored ?? AND dont tell me that all you supporters of thousands of M-4s have downloaded and played each and everyone of them faithfully  

Actually, yes I've DLed almost every single one of those M4's.

If i liked them I kept them, and if not, they get deleted. If someone makes a new M4, I'll probably end up DLing that one too just to try it out.

I've currently got about a dozen M4's in my addonsfolder, and there's still room for more

[Baron von Beer 0]

What I really want is a Red Rider BB gun with a compass and a stock and............