Man killed by teen video gamers

[theavonlady 2]

If they think video games are the cause of violence, then why don't they have games designers put, in big bold lettering: 'WARNING! MAY CAUSE INSANITY!' on the box?

That would just increase sales, wouldn't it now?

[GoOB 0]

These kids should be reading the wise words of Al Menconi:

[theavonlady 2]

These kids should be reading the wise words of Al Menconi:

http://www.almenconi.com/assets/images/Al%20-%20Casual%20Left.jpg

Surely you meant his 1st cousin on his mother's side, Father Guido Sarducci.

[theavonlady 2]

These kids should be reading the wise words of Al Menconi

The GTA3 review on Al Menconi's site speaks for itself.

(No OFP review there).

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

Quote[/b] ]Kids going out and shooting people isnt a product of games, but how easy it is to buy a firearm....

 

So instead of a game killing another person, it's now the gun's fault? Like I said, blaming inanimate objects gets us nowhere, neither does taking away said objects. Those kids were nuts, plain and simple and they weren't taught respect for life or for firearms at an early age. Besides, they weren't even old enough to buy a firearm, legally anyways. Once again the parents failed when they didn't keep such tools locked away from thier retarded children to begin with.

I grew up with easy access to my dads rifle and was picked on plenty of times, yet I never shot anyone. Why do you think that is?

Quote[/b] ]and what's your job description?  

I'd be pretty stupid bringing my fists to a gunfight.  

I guess the same would go for bringing a gun to a fistfight......

Tyler

Now tell me, did you bother to read my post before last? No, obviosuly you didnt, or you would know who I blame...

The fact is, people do stuff they regret when they are angry/pissed off or indeed just crazy. If these guns were not so available, by the time they got one they might have calmed down, and how is a mentally ill and violent person going to shoot someone when they have no access to fire arms?

... maybe you should read what is being posted previously and think logically.

I mean, you think a person cant buy a gun unless it's legally obtained? And you think someone about to shoot people at random is worried about thier weapon's legallity?

Quote[/b] ]Quote  

You're right, they do. And with good reason. What if it wasnt a cap gun, and you dont always know.. (there are toys which were readily avaiable and easily converted to fire live rounds)

such as??

I've been told about a certain type, i can't name it, nor would I want to. All you need is some basic equipment, a barrel and some other modifications to the metal replica (sorry, i didnt make it clear it is a replica and not a cap gun, but the replica is intended as non-working and classed as a toy)

As I see it, the kids played games... so what? They also ate food, and did basic human stuff. Did any of that have an influence on them killing someone? Them playing games has nothnig to do with them killing someone, it's just something they do in thier lives. I doubt that playing cowboys and indians like most kids inspired them to go and shoot some indians.

[bn880 5]

I think the media is a product of society's values - not vice versa.

Those kids' parents should be ashamed.

Well, not really. Movies these days have absolutely nothing to do with reality. All you see is people in civilian clothes solving problems with firearms. That's not what you see normally in the US day to day. Shootouts are an extremely rare occurance all and all.

It's not the media alone that is to blame though, first of all it's

1) access to weapon (WTF is wrong with this society)

2) Parents not teaching values and "parenting"

3) Media (which is carried through into their friends etc.)

[Renagade 0]

These kids should be reading the wise words of Al Menconi

The GTA3 review on Al Menconi's site speaks for itself.

(No OFP review there).

shame he didn`t get shot

[toadlife 3]

I think the media is a product of society's values - not vice versa.

Those kids' parents should be ashamed.

Well, not really. Movies these days have absolutely nothing to do with reality. All you see is people in civilian clothes solving problems with firearms. That's not what you see normally in the US day to day. Shootouts are an extremely rare occurance all and all.

Let me clarify. Yes, movies today have absolutely nothing to do with reality. Movies have in fact never had much to do with reality. Movies today do however, show more sex, more violence, - genereally more stuff than they did a long time ago, and this is a refelction of people's chaging values.

Read: Hays Code

As De Facto values have changed over time, the media has only reflected that change.

[bn880 5]

Well yes I see what you mean.

I personally think we should all stand against the same old movies with people + guns + fighting and simply not watch any of them. Don't pay money for these lame movies. What you need is a story line and guns only when likely in real life (gangs, wars, police, robbery). Otherwise it's silly. We DON'T live in a warzone, at least not in Norht America and EU. Wathcing the movies it seems like we have nothing but chaos out here. (and don't forget, when a SWAT team comes in, the unprotected hero chief runs in first, and the trained specialists with body armor are little guys that follow him, better yet, who needs special teams with an action hero around)

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Right but the point is the system is bad. Kids are getting into places they shouldn't be and doing things they shouldn't be doing. That's absolutely nothing new, now

we are faced with much more aggressive children who, without parental guidance have no concept of how to peacefully work things out. now on the flip side as my

8th grade history teacher said. Some times it war is necessary to keep the world on track.

But their is absolutely no excuse for going out and shooting people for fun. The points that need to be addressed are in my opinion. #1 Parental involvement. #2 Fire

arm safety.

#3 Fire arm security. #4 Parents monitoring their children's games and teaching their children the difference between reality and "Games".

*Edit*

Don't even bring SWAT into this. They are a life saving organization their are no renegades or single man teams SWAT is always a last resort. CNT (Crisis

negotiations.) Is ALWAYS exhausted before SWAT will even consider making any move. SWAT's primary function is performing HRW (High Risk warrants.) And

HR (Hostage rescue.) (90% of SWATs call ups constitute a barricaded suspect and most of the time SWAT's CNT can defuse the situation. SWAT is rarely if ever

used for crowd control. CCT Crowd Control Teams are regular officers in body armor. I don't need to say this any more SWAT is a last resort and NEVER

RUNS AROUND OR DRIVES AROUND IN VANS CHASING YOU. (They use helicopters or walk.)

So please leave SWAT out of this before I get back on my soap box.

[Renagade 0]

the firearms should of been locked when the parents were away and alarmed at when they`re there.

Quote[/b] ]#1 Parental involvement. #2 Fire

arm safety.

#3 Fire arm security. #4 Parents monitoring their children's games and teaching their children the difference between reality and "Games".

what about outside influences such as the ppl they hang around,the a rea they live in,the schools they go to?

Quote[/b] ]Don't even bring SWAT into this. They are a life saving organization their are no renegades or single man teams SWAT is always a last resort. CNT (Crisis

negotiations.) Is ALWAYS exhausted before SWAT will even consider making any move. SWAT's primary function is performing HRW (High Risk warrants.) And

HR (Hostage rescue.) (90% of SWATs call ups constitute a barricaded suspect and most of the time SWAT's CNT can defuse the situation. SWAT is rarely if ever

used for crowd control. CCT Crowd Control Teams are regular officers in body armor. I don't need to say this any more SWAT is a last resort and NEVER

RUNS AROUND OR DRIVES AROUND IN VANS CHASING YOU. (They use helicopters or walk.)

So please leave SWAT out of this before I get back on my soap box.

where is it u live drilll sergant? over here(UK the place where u can`t get pistols and few ppl have few legal firearms) the slight whiff of firearms instantly makes a group of storm troopers apear with sub machine guns and assault rifles willing to shoot ppl in a jiffy.

Infact as i typed that i remember a few instances where kids got children g ot taken off to t he copshop and their finger prints and DNA taken just because they were playing with cap gun

[Necromancer- 0]

what's next...

Ban race games like "Need for speed: Hot Pursuit 2" because it encourages gamers to drive 160 MPH?

COME ON!!!

It is the only way to drive that fast without getting speed tickets.

[FSPilot 0]

I don't usually like to blame video games. But according to this the kids are the one saying they're acting like this because of a video game.

Quote[/b] ]They said they were bored and decided to shoot at tractor-trailer rigs, just like in the video game, ``Grand Theft Auto.''

Anyway, the kids need to be taught better values, not sent to spend time with other kids who have the same value problems. I never understood how prison was supposed to help people's values in the first place.

[Renagade 0]

I don't usually like to blame video games.  But according to this the kids are the one saying they're acting like this because of a video game.

and if they`d been watching some other program that involved shooting stuff what do u think the chances are of them going out and copying it and if thats the case then whoevers tries to ban anything like that on all forms of media is going to have a hard time.

[FSPilot 0]

That's just the thing though. I haven't heard anybody saying they want to ban violence on all forms of media because of this incident. The kids said they did it because it was in this game, and now somehow we're on the topic of banning video games. Looks to me like it was just a knee-jerk reaction from some gamers, and thats understandable considering all the heat video games get from mom-lobbies.

[bn880 5]

Don't even bring SWAT into this. They are a life saving organization their are no renegades or single man teams SWAT is always a last resort. CNT (Crisis

negotiations.) Is ALWAYS exhausted before SWAT will even consider making any move. SWAT's primary function is performing HRW (High Risk warrants.) And

HR (Hostage rescue.) (90% of SWATs call ups constitute a barricaded suspect and most of the time SWAT's CNT can defuse the situation. SWAT is rarely if ever

used for crowd control. CCT Crowd Control Teams are regular officers in body armor. I don't need to say this any more SWAT is a last resort and NEVER

RUNS AROUND OR DRIVES AROUND IN VANS CHASING YOU. (They use helicopters or walk.)

So please leave SWAT out of this before I get back on my soap box.

Are you arguing with me, or are you upset about movies that portray SWAT teams badly?

If it's the movies then I agree with you, if you think I'm arguing with that I'm not. Although such teams are often set up and "ready" as negotiations take place.

[FSPilot 0]

Life Lesson #3423: Don't look to movies to portray things in reality. Reality is rarely entertaining.

[bn880 5]

I think that's totally wrong. Anotherwords BS.

EDIT: Yes you need a story in movies and shows, but there is no need to break all means of reality and physics either. I have seen various movies that weren't filled with total BS and were what I enjoyed the most.

[Akira 0]

People see movies to escape reality (for the most part). They won't be happy unless the car explodes in a huge mushroom cloud after impacting a wall.

[Renagade 0]

actually it partially disintegrates into the wall then burns out.

Saw it for myself when some car went flying down this road and didn`t make the turn quite right.

The end result was a smashed and burned out car and dead guys.

Wouldn`t running some public information ads on gun safety do anything useful or do u already get them?

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Quote[/b] ]Now tell me, did you bother to read my post before last? No, obviosuly you didnt, or you would know who I blame...

Yeah, I did. No need to get all pissed of over a misunderstanding. Just make your point clearer next time.

Quote[/b] ]The fact is, people do stuff they regret when they are angry/pissed off or indeed just crazy. If these guns were not so available, by the time they got one they might have calmed down, and how is a mentally ill and violent person going to shoot someone when they have no access to fire arms?

If people are determined to do something, they are going to do it, especially a crazy determined person. Keeping illegal guns off the streets is the job of police. No matter how much you legislate it there will always be guns, especially in North America.

Quote[/b] ]... maybe you should read what is being posted previously and think logically.

I mean, you think a person cant buy a gun unless it's legally obtained? And you think someone about to shoot people at random is worried about thier weapon's legallity?

I'm not naive, criminals commit crimes, obviously they won't care where they get thier weapons because with a criminal record they probably won't be able to buy guns legally in the first place. They either buy guns off the street (an easy thing to do here in Canada, if you have a spare $800 lying around) or break into someones home and steal them. The point is, if people want something bad enough, they are going to get it.

In this case, the kids seemed to have taken a parent's rifle and used it. If the parents were aware of the fact that they had stupid kids, they should have locked it away properly.

Quote[/b] ]I've been told about a certain type, i can't name it, nor would I want to. All you need is some basic equipment, a barrel and some other modifications to the metal replica (sorry, i didnt make it clear it is a replica and not a cap gun, but the replica is intended as non-working and classed as a toy)

I beleive the brand name of the air pistols was "Brocock", made in the UK, and I do beleive the government banned them not long after those crimes happened. Basically, the Brocock guns used a cartridge filled with compressed air with a pellet at the tip to fire off a single round each. The guns came with a number of cartridges that resembled actual bullets, which you could load into one of their guns for a more realistic feel. They came in either .22 or .38 calibre, and the guns themselves were either a revolver or a bolt-action rifle. A novel idea if you ask me. To prevent people from loading real rounds, the cartridges were bevelled, and so were the chambers for them. To convert them, the criminals just drilled out the bevelling in the chamber so they could load real rounds. However, the air pistols were never designed to handle the pressure of live rounds, so the rifling would wear out and/or the breech would give out and the gun would explode in the criminals hands.

Tyler

[toadlife 3]

If wer're going to debate gun control here is some food for thought for the pro gun control croud...

This is what happens when governments try to ban guns

"If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns."

-famous anti-gun control quote

[ralphwiggum 6]

oh boy...

/shakes head again in worry that this could go to another one of those yelling-flaming matches of gun control discussion.

let's stay on video games, shall we?

[Drill Sergeant 0]

what's next...

Ban race games like "Need for speed: Hot Pursuit 2" because it encourages gamers to drive 160 MPH?

COME ON!!!

It is the only way to drive that fast without getting speed tickets.  

No, the point is that we need to monitor what kids can play.

That's all I ever said. No one suggested we ban any games.

Since this was in America where this happened I believe.

All the rules are different. In EVERY MOVIE SWAT isn't even 90% correct. THE ONLY GAMES THAT PORTRAY SWAT CORRECTLY ARE the Sierra

SWAT line up. I know. And yes I do live in the US. I am sick of games and movies portraying US SWAT teams as a bunch of trigger happy idiots.

GTA3 is a game these kids thought they could play it in real life. The problem is #1 How did they get hold of the game?

#2 Why didn't mum or dad care enough to look at what they were playing. This has little to do with gun laws. THE VERY LAST THING WE NEED IS TO LOSE

MORE OF OUR RIGHTS. The whole thing is about the effect video games have on the reality that some people perceive. Not about why the guns weren't

locked up. If they wanted to shoot at cars go do it in the game. That's what their there for.

You want to drive a tank and than get out and shoot some russians, So instead of joining the army you play OFP.

If they wanted to shoot cars they should have just gone back and played GTA3 again.

[Major Fubar 0]

The game was merely a "trigger", if you will.

These kids were obviously unbalanced and/or never taught morals and basic right/wrong. It could just as easily have been a movie, TV series or comic book that they would copy.

You can't blame the game. Sure, it's a contributing factor - no denying that. But the REAl issue is - why were these kids not raised to know that firing guns at people is wrong, and you DON'T DO IT. 14-16 is most definitely old enough to understand the consequences of your actions. It might be different it was a 6-8 year old.

And the two lesser issues are: how did the kids get a hold of a gun; and why weren't their parents monitoring what games their kids were playing.

I love good shoot-em-ups like GTA, and even sick stuff like Postal. To me, it's good harmless fun, blowing away some pixels as a way to let off steam. But if I had kids, you can bet your ass I wouldn;t let them play...