A specific Q in the General sub to get attention...

[George_Smiley 11]

 Heli FM question.

( I could bury this question in the "proper" sub but ... I'm just going to start right here. till it gets moved..)

 

Is there a Mod that removes the @#$%@#$@#%! Dead Zone the heli Flight Model in Arma 2 OA ?

 

( and the lack of actual visual feed back

from the response to the applied curve on the sticks. )

 

My back ground is dabbling in Fight Sims, RC plane heli flying and tiny bit of IRL fixed wing flight.

Arma2, RoF, DCS, RCDP. PicaSim etc.

 

I fly the LB,first person, in Chernogorsk a lot, with my RC controller, and ...  head tracking. ( woo! )

( shameless plug here: https://github.com/opentrack/opentrack/releases/tag/opentrack-2023.3.0   )

 

The micro adjusting while trying to do roof top landings etc is painful with the DZ.

( compared with Arma 3 :  I can land in my sleep in A3 ( standard FM mode ...)

 

Why not move to Arma3? 'cos I love Arma 2 and I love Cherno...

 

Please feel free to move this post to the right sub forum.

 

"To fly is to life."

 

Cheers. :- )

 

 

[dalber24 137]

You must have something misconfigured, or something wrong with your controller, I don't have dead zone... in fact, I don't remember ever seeing dead zone in a helicopter, in A2.

[George_Smiley 11]

21 hours ago, dalber24 said:

You must have something misconfigured, or something wrong with your controller, I don't have dead zone... in fact, I don't remember ever seeing dead zone in a helicopter, in A2.

 

WAIT : I just re read your post.

 

You are correct, there is no DZ control in the game BUT there is built in DZ.  As in: baked into the game.  As in it's not adjustable like in A3.

 

 

In game right now. There is DZ. You might not be able to detect it but I sure as heck can. 

Been in sim for thousands of hours easy.

 

"

class JoysticksList
{
    class Joystick1
    {
        guid="1F301BF0-14FE-11EF-8002-444553540000";
        name="ART ";
        offset=256;
        isXInput=0;
        sensitivity[]={1,1,1,0.1,0.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0.1,0.1,1,1,1};
        mode="Custom";
    };
};

"

 

look right to you. Do you even know what that means?  because I would like to know.

So far the the first six are my controls.  Roll.Pitch.Thrust. nothing.nothing.Yaw.

the three 1's after that? Maybe you can explain. And then: why repeat them ?

 

Thanks for explaining!

 

Oh yeah and if you want to talk about my the DZ being built into my gear,

well I get zero DZ in DIview.exe .

Now if I was flying with a HappyJoy "Air Master" DXZ 3000 GTR Super Turbo.... well you would be right.

But I ain't.

 

Let me in on the secrets.

 

Cheers!

 

George.

[dalber24 137]

I don't know, mate, I just know that I don't know, maybe I should say... so luckily it never happened to me!?
 

 I also have many hours in simulators, in fact I have many hours in Black Shark and A10C and in my DCS rig I have a Virpil (in case you're wondering, I never tried it in ArmA, in fact I never would.)
 

 But over the years I had many generic joysticks which I used in ArmA and yes many of them were horrible experiences, I did feel that there was DZ but for a question of them being rubbish controls, but I also tried my old X52 and the one I currently use for a question of comfort and practicality, a Saitek AV8R-03; With the logitech if I had some problem if I remember correctly to configure something, I don't remember what... but no problem with DZ, the same with the saitek, it works well for me, in the game it translates to totally linear, I don't know what to tell you...
 With generic joysticks it did happen to me, but I always attributed it to the fact that they were really bad joysticks (garbage).

 So if it works perfectly with the X52 and the AV8R, for me it was always a problem with the previous joysticks that were bad, which they were in fact.

In my case that is the experience I have had, I don't know what else to tell you about it.

saitek
        offset=512;
        isXInput=0;
        sensitivity[]={0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49535564,10.000001,1,1,1,1,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49535564,10.000001,1,1,1,1};

 

logitech
        offset=256;
        isXInput=0;
        sensitivity[]={0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,1,1,1,1,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,1,1,1,1};


You also have the sensitivity line.
joystickSensitivity[]=

if you want to change any value, feel free to do so, just change the value, save the file, then write protect it, then the game even if it wants to change it it, won't be able to, then it should read the value you put in.
I used this when I wanted to force some setting that the game didn't like.

Cheers

[George_Smiley 11]

2 hours ago, dalber24 said:

I don't know, mate, I just know that I don't know, maybe I should say... so luckily it never happened to me!?
 

 I also have many hours in simulators, in fact I have many hours in Black Shark and A10C and in my DCS rig I have a Virpil (in case you're wondering, I never tried it in ArmA, in fact I never would.)
 

 But over the years I had many generic joysticks which I used in ArmA and yes many of them were horrible experiences, I did feel that there was DZ but for a question of them being rubbish controls, but I also tried my old X52 and the one I currently use for a question of comfort and practicality, a Saitek AV8R-03; With the logitech if I had some problem if I remember correctly to configure something, I don't remember what... but no problem with DZ, the same with the saitek, it works well for me, in the game it translates to totally linear, I don't know what to tell you...
 With generic joysticks it did happen to me, but I always attributed it to the fact that they were really bad joysticks (garbage).

 So if it works perfectly with the X52 and the AV8R, for me it was always a problem with the previous joysticks that were bad, which they were in fact.

In my case that is the experience I have had, I don't know what else to tell you about it.

saitek
        offset=512;
        isXInput=0;
        sensitivity[]={0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49535564,10.000001,1,1,1,1,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49535564,10.000001,1,1,1,1};

 

logitech
        offset=256;
        isXInput=0;
        sensitivity[]={0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,1,1,1,1,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,0.49999994,1,1,1,1};


You also have the sensitivity line.
joystickSensitivity[]=

if you want to change any value, feel free to do so, just change the value, save the file, then write protect it, then the game even if it wants to change it it, won't be able to, then it should read the value you put in.
I used this when I wanted to force some setting that the game didn't like.

Cheers

 

 

Right. I see. Darn so you can't explain the numbers. Ok.

 

Before I started using my RC controller ( which I use now ) I was building my own full size sticks.

Using MMJoy and Atmega with hall sensors. It was pretty easy to make a decent basic stick. 600mm extension.

( with 8mm sealed bearings and steel shafts and frame etc, frankly it is "super duty", I should rebuild it... and so smooth to use..)

 

The easiest way to check for DZ is to get in a Heli, hover, lock zoomed in, and then try lining up ground targets.

( I can "feel" the DZ... some kind of weirdo magic...)

 

Logitech 3D pro have DZ built in.  ( what the @#$%@# ! ) it took me a year or so to understand. ( being a new to simming back then )

I had the MCU board wired up to my new stick and wondered why it was so bad, then I found DIview. Oh... right.

 

To be honest your average pilot will not care about the DZ in game. It's mostly invisible to basic flying.

But.... if you want to be a sniper in the  LB with the mini guns and stick...  using the mouse is much

easier. It's wildly more forgiving to fly heli with a mouse too. so most people just don't give a rats ass.

 

mmm... ok cool, well thanks for taking the time to report in. I might sound a bit crabby ( I am some times...)

but I am genuine !

I love flying... and Arma2 is the best overall basic old DirectX flight sim, that is not a study sim or major

pain in the ass to learn,  it looks good, works fine and actually feels good in 1st person view with Htracking.

I have returned to it quite a few times... and I am a much much better pilot now, way better.

 

Hey have you seen a "gymkahna" mission for heli's ? ( it's like a skills test mission .)  With cool things to fly

around etc. I have been trying to make one in the mission editor but get distracted.... so far I have just done lines of buildings

etc.... darn I should really finish one and post it.  Like a civil one, not military.  Land here, limbo there, fly through the hoops.

I spose TOH is the one for that... never tried it.

 

Whoops wrote a book. Sorry.

 

PS Oh, yeah, Virpil looks like nice gear but it's waaaay out of my price range and I can make my own stick that is just as good or

even better ( zero centre detente... ) , the thing that virpil does do waaaaaaaay better than me is button density...  but

actually if I used 3D printer...  my stick was designed for WW1 and it had like 8 buttons on the stick, sometimes only 2...

zoom and fire... mate.

 

Gotta dash.

 

Cheers!