Die Alive 0 Posted July 20, 2003 What's the best AAM out there today? Basic info here AIM-120A AMRAAM AIM-54A/C Phoenix AIM-7F/M Sparrow AIM-9L/M Sidewinder Skyflash AIM-132 ASRAAM MICA Mistral (ATAM) Super 530F/D R.550 Magic R.550 Magic 2 MK2 Aspide Mk1/Mk2 Python 3 Python 4 R-40R/T ( AA-6A/B Acrid ) R-60 ( AA-8 Aphid ) R-33E ( AA-9 Amos ) R-27R/T ( AA-10 Alamo A/B/C/D ) R-73 ( AA-11 Archer ) R-77 ( AA-12 Archer ) PL-7 PL-7 Remember to be totaly biased in your opinion. -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted July 20, 2003 As far as I know the AIM-120 AMRAAM more or less always gives a kill. The only problem is that as long as USA keeps fighting thrid world countries, a missile is most likely more expensive than the plane it shoots down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 1 Posted July 20, 2003 Python 3Python 4 Python 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Python 3Python 4 Python 5 Yup I agree, in my eyes the archer was (still is) a very impressive missile and it would have been my first choice if the python 4 (made to counter the archer) wasn't there. But now the python 5 comes around the corner... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted July 20, 2003 The AIM-120 is quite capable, as is the AIM-9X, but my vote would still be for the Python family at this point. Hopefully the 5th gen will fix the IRCCM problems with the 4th gens... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 1 Posted July 20, 2003 Gee.......................look what I did................... and I dunno a thing about these Python thingies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Bah, give me an ASRAAM anyday! Regarding BVRM's take a look at the AA12 'Adder'. It's called the 'AMRAAMski' for a reason. (Better terminal homing and range) And a Flanker can carry 6+ ! Yikes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted July 20, 2003 The R-74 is being tested right now and is supposed to replace the R-73. It's impossible to find any info on it though. I think the R-37 Also deserves some mention Quote[/b] ]Laid: 1980sOperational: 1996 Lenght: 4,20 m Diameter: 38 cm Span: 70 cm Weight total: 600 kg Warhead: 50 kg HE Propulsion: Solid Guidance: inertia, command update, active radar, Home-on-jam Seeker: 9B-1388: - range: 70 km (against RCS = 3 m2) - weight: 40 kg - diameter: 380 mm Range: 280 km Platforms: MIG-31M *edit* if you'll notice, the range of the seeker is much shorter than the range of the missile. There was a successful combat test where a MiG-31M passed over command of the missile to an Su-30 mid flight through datalink, taking advantage of the full range. In comparison, the R-33 which it replaces: Quote[/b] ]Laid: 1972Operational: 1983 Lenght: 4,15 m Diameter: 38 c Span: 90 cm Weight total: 490 kg Warhead: 47.5 kg HE, blast-fragmentation Propulsion: Solid Guidance: inertia, command update, (active radar?)SARH?, home-on-jam Seeker: 9E50M1: - weight: 28.5 kg - diameter: 370 mm Launch range: 160 km Effective range: 100 km Platforms: MIG-31 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted July 20, 2003 bonus option - onboard cannons i`d probably go with any of the missiles that u can hook into their sensors and use them instead of the onboard ones in the plane. If u look closely on the sidewinder tail fins u can see little gyroscopes on the end What missile is it that has the stealth capabilities so that the enemy doesn`t know its there ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 20, 2003 i like the MICA , it's some kind of small AMRAAM and it can be fitted with either IR or Radar detection guidance systems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted July 20, 2003 AIM-120 AMRAAM ("Slammer") AIM-54C Phoenix Both can knock down a target 30-40 miles away, depending on the condition. Put some AIM-54Cs on an F-14 and you'll have air superiority in a few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted July 20, 2003 The thing with the python is... If you've evaded it once (lucky you), it will still come after you on a second turn (and get you the second time). That's what I love about the python. I don't know how much missiles can do this... Â Anybody? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted July 20, 2003 The thing with the python is... If you've evaded it once (lucky you), it will still come after you on a second turn (and get you the second time). That's what I love about the python. I don't know how much missiles can do this... Â Anybody? Thats just the marketing crap. Do you know how much energy it would lose doing a 360 turn? With no rocket motor propelling it (It only fires for a short time), you could simply firewall the throttle and lose it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted July 20, 2003 AIM-120s do that, in F4 at least. so it might not be realistic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted July 20, 2003 AIM-120s do that, in F4 at least.  so it might not be realistic  Yes but in F4 I got shot down by friendly troops too (and no I did not bomb them) (that's not realistic too right?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted July 20, 2003 The thing with the python is... If you've evaded it once (lucky you), it will still come after you on a second turn (and get you the second time). That's what I love about the python. I don't know how much missiles can do this... Â Anybody? Thats just the marketing crap. Do you know how much energy it would lose doing a 360 turn? With no rocket motor propelling it (It only fires for a short time), you could simply firewall the throttle and lose it. Could be, bu the thing is quite big (for a short range missile). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Well, friendly fire is realistic, but your troops won't shoot at you in F4 unless you bomb a certain number of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Well, friendly fire is realistic, but your troops won't shoot at you in F4 unless you bomb a certain number of them. you forget the IFF security too , i'm pretty sure that if not the missiles , the planes launching them have this kind of devices or function to their IFF, Radarand weapon systems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Well, friendly fire is realistic, but your troops won't shoot at you in F4 unless you bomb a certain number of them. Fun thing was, I flew over (according to the, map) an allied battalion, it was crazy, the whole damn battalion took shots at me, I got hit by AA fire first and they fired a couple of missiles at me too. I ejected but was RS'ed. Â Anyway, the whole FF thing could have been a bug. back on topic, say ran what's so special about the French missile? Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 20, 2003 back on topic, say ran what's so special about the French missile?  the french latest Air to Air missile is the MICA (Missile d'Interception, de Combat et d'Autodéfense : Dogfight/Self-Defence/Interception Missile) Globalsecurity.org data : The Matra BAe Dynamics Mica is an innovative lightweight missile that can both intercept incoming missiles and fire at multiple targets. The Mica is an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile. Variants include active radar and infra-red homing, providing a unique ability to select target-engagement options for both short and medium-range intercepts. The 4A active anti-air seeker was developed by Dassault Electronique within the framework of a European cooperation, both for the Mica air-to-air missile and, in a slightly different version, for Eurosam's Aster surface-to-air missile. Specifications : Guidance : Command, inertial and Active radar or imaging IR Propellant : Solid propellant Fuze : Active Radar Range : 50 km / 28 miles Speed : Mach 4 Length : 10 ft Weight : 243 lbs Warhead : 12 kg HE blast fragmentation it should replace 2 missile types : Matra Super 530D medium range air to air missile Manafacturer : Matra Date Deployed : 1988 Range : 37 km Speed Mach : 3.7 Guidance : EMD Super AD26 semi-active radar homing Warhead : 66.1 lb ( 31 kg ) HE fragmentation with radar proximity fuze ( active radar fuze for D model) Propulsion time : 8 seconds Launch Weight : 275 kg Length : 3.81 m Diameter : 0.26 m Tailspan : 0.64 m forward fins/ 0.88 m aft fins Matra R.550 Magic 2 short range air to air missile (the Magic is some kind of french version of the sidewinder but with beefed up performances) : Major operational capabilities : All-directions missile Builder : Matra In-service in the French Air Force : 1988 Propellant : Solid propellant Propulsion time : 2.2 s Range : 8 miles Speed : Mach 2.7 / 500 m/s in addition to carrier’s speed Length / Diameter : 2.75 m / 0.16 m Weight : 89 kg Warhead : HE blast fragmentation Payload : 12.5 kg (fragmentation) Guidance : all-aspect infrared Fuze : radio frequency (RF) proximity Main user nations : France, Greece, Egypt, Spain, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates the MICA has 2 types of warhead whch can be quite easily switched b y ground personnal : Radar for BVR purpose and IR for short range engagements Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 20, 2003 MBDA MICA page missile side view mainly due to its antimissile abilities , there's a vertical ground/surface launcher for advanced air defence in the works Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted July 20, 2003 Well, friendly fire is realistic, but your troops won't shoot at you in F4 unless you bomb a certain number of them. Fun thing was, I flew over (according to the, map) an allied battalion, it was crazy, the whole damn battalion took shots at me, I got hit by AA fire first and they fired a couple of missiles at me too. I ejected but was RS'ed. Â Anyway, the whole FF thing could have been a bug. I doubt it was a friendly unit. I've never heard of AI commiting fratricide in F4, I don't even think it's in the program. Of course the player can do it though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted July 21, 2003 Well having recenlty researched some more russian hardware i must say their off boresight capabillity at short range is truely awesome and i doubt any sidewinder would top that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted July 21, 2003 Plus they've incorporated HMTS in their fighters, and have the most maneuverable fighters in the world. Superb for close combat. But if we can knock them down from 40 miles away... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted July 21, 2003 All about the AIM-54 Pheonix. Nothing like simultaneous engagement of 6 targets from 100 miles off. You can have all the Archers in the world and it won't matter if you never get inside of 30 miles of your enemy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
