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Did anyone notice that "Star 41" was called inbound to land at the crash site it was an Ah-6.. then when it got there it was an Mh-6? lol lots of things in blackhawk down they thought we wouldnt notice.

I still laugh at the part the Delta throws the grenade 60 floors up and gets it right in the window to kill the gunmen when they were all pinned down.

lol yeah.

And the Sergent didn´t even get shot by the gunner.

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so many things we could have a good laugh at BHD

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Quote[/b] ]Did anyone notice that "Star 41" was called inbound to land at the crash site it was an Ah-6.. then when it got there it was an Mh-6? lol lots of things in blackhawk down they thought we wouldnt notice.

Oh jesus, you've seen it too!

Has anyone seen a small part of the movie, it's near the middle, just after "Blackburn's" escort humvees load up and leave. It shows the bench seat view from a MH-6 as a delta operator overlooks the Mog, with pillars of smoke coming up. Listen to the sound of the helo. It's the sound from inside of a blackhawk.

Damn you Ridley!

My last gripe is that when all of the Rangers fast rope down onto the streets. You can see that many of them are carrying SAWs and some type of rifles with what looks like Beta-C mags, including Grimes . I could be wrong.... but I don't think so . And as Eversmann goes down to help Blackburn, you can see another ranger coming down behind him, a few seconds later, it's just Eversmann. Where oh where did the ranger go?

Sweet_pup

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I notice that as well, can only sit back and say "...it's holloywood...". Just reminds me back in the day in the old Iron Eagle movies how they used F4's for Migs I believe they did the same with Top gun. We were still in cold war or it was just ending but they used what they had available. Just laugh at and go read books as stated earlier.

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That huey was actually a C2 bird. A huey was indeed used like this. But I meant the chopper super64 ect. These would have have been huey's too, if the US military would not have have given the movie full support.

Hueys were not used at all by the US Army in Somalia. They used Kiowas for surveilance, and Blackhawks for all the other tasks. That picture is of the C2 bird that is meant to be a Blackhawk, but because they didnt get the BH's until 3 months into filming, they had to shoot some scenes like that, and hope that people wouldn't notice the difference...

And yes, the horror, (I'm a self confessed aircraft/helicopter lover) and I nearly died when I saw the "making of BHD" for the first tie, and he said they might have had to use hueys...

Actually Deadmeat you are incorrect, the US Army did use UH-1's in Somalia for the Dustoff role. If you meant they were not used by Task Force Ranger during Operation Gothic Serpeant then you are right. But the Huey was used by regular Army units from 1992-1994, Here are pics of US Army Huey's in Somalia in Sept of 93.

On topic, I saw the pics of the Pavehawks and was wondering if you are going to move and modify the weather radar on the nose and off set it like on the real deal??? *EDIT* Ok, I think I see what you are doing, you are making the Block 152-162 H\MH-60G's right?

George

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If you meant they were not used by Task Force Ranger during Operation Gothic Serpeant then you are right.

uh hu    TFR was indeed the topic of convo, as thats what we were mocking...

ANYHO, lets steer this thread back on topic - no more BHD please  

Quote[/b] ]On topic, I saw the pics of the Pavehawks and was wondering if you are going to move and modify the weather radar on the nose and off set it like on the real deal??? *EDIT* Ok, I think I see what you are doing, you are making the Block 152-162 H\MH-60G's right?

The picture of the Gunship Grey scheme is just a re-skin of the current MH-60 (with a few bits removed) If you look at the pictures of the woodland HH-60, you can see that the radome has been moved to the correct location.

Whether or not the Gunship Grey Pavie will retain its current model, or be switched to the other one, I can not confirm (because I don't honestly know)

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Uhm i don´t know if you thought of this but could you guys modify the 500md LB loadouts? because it can have cannons too.

Ahem ...

It can have gunpods with 1x12,7 mm MG (each side)

                                  2x 7,62 mm MG (each side)

or rocket pods with 12x 70mm (ffar)

It would be very cool.

For example 1 gunpod with 12,7mm

and on the other side a TOW pod.

its just an idea, but you could increase the Range of your splending choppers that way.

Perhaps with some different Camo?

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hows the Seals project coming along.

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Uhm i don´t know if you thought of this but could you guys modify the 500md LB loadouts? because it can have cannons too.

Ahem ...

It can have gunpods with 1x12,7 mm MG (each side)

                                  2x 7,62 mm MG (each side)

or rocket pods with 12x 70mm (ffar)

It would be very cool.

For example 1 gunpod with 12,7mm

and on the other side a TOW pod.

its just an idea, but you could increase the Range of your splending choppers that way.

Perhaps with some different Camo?

ive never seen any LBs with different camo.

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Uhm i don´t know if you thought of this but could you guys modify the 500md LB loadouts? because it can have cannons too.

Ahem ...

It can have gunpods with 1x12,7 mm MG (each side)

                                  2x 7,62 mm MG (each side)

or rocket pods with 12x 70mm (ffar)

It would be very cool.

For example 1 gunpod with 12,7mm

and on the other side a TOW pod.

its just an idea, but you could increase the Range of your splending choppers that way.

Perhaps with some different Camo?

The Littlebird update will improve the Textures, add new animations, and will retro-fit them with TJ's wonderous scripts (for dust and stuff)

So I'm afraid there wont be any new weapon loadouts.

Also, the 160th SOAR is the only US Military operator of the littlebird now (all others have phased it out) and their helicopters operate exclusively in the fetching shade of black that you see currently.

This is not because we think the idea sucks, but because if we did do every variation of the LB's, MH-47's, 60's, the H-58's and the Deltas/Rangers, we'd never be able to go on to new things. And we feel that what we have allready done provides the maximum diversity, and scope for mission making

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*cough* He was talking about the 500MD(or MD-500 as its actually known), which does come in various loadouts and various colourschemes as it is used in a military capacity in quite a few countries' armed forces.

But as DM said, we arent making any more variants...

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[Edit] nvm...

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Here's a question for you BAS guys-

FUEL CAPACITY-

I really love the Blackhawk series. Amazing. But I think that one of the most realistic parts is the fuel capacity. It takes much less time to drain a tank in real life than it does with OFP models. The BAS ones are much more realistic. Will we see this in the new Little Birds, and/or the Chinook? I'm mainly focusing on the amount of flying time you can get in before you have to RTB (Return to base) and refuel. More realism.

Sweet_pup

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Well... that fuel thing reminded me of the demo mission for the KLR 250 motorcycle where i ran outa gas when i was close to reach the Airfield with the undercover operator, if i place a KLR without fuel in the editor i can refuel it but not on that mission it seems, i think that the fuel i spent riding to the fuel station to try and refuel the bike would have been enough to reach the airbase and finish the mission .

Conclusion is... BAS addons waste too much fuel and polute the Earth big time, please be considerate towards future generations of this planet, thank you .

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And thats all you're getting! And that includes you TS, show any more and we'll start cutting your fingers off!

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Quick question. Will that M14 be replacing the existing one, or are we going to have both the aimpoint and ACOG variants to play with?

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Both, the old version will be updated to use the new M14 model as well.

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When I read In the Company of Heros A book written by Michael Durant (Retired US Army CW4, worked with 101st and 160th SOAR) He mentioned that in the raid on Panama (Rio Hato, Overtaken by PDF troops) that his mission was to provide a FARP (Forward Arming and Refueling Point) for AH-6 Little Birds. He flew his Blackhawk to a point near the airfield, and set up a small area for Fuel and Ammo reloads. He carried extra fuel, 7.62mm ammo, and 2.75 inch rockets.

1. Could we maybe expect a "Future Version" of the Blackhawk like this. It would be great if it could fly/move (Like the fuel truck can move)and other Helos could access FUEL/AMMO through the menu when it was landed. But it would also be okay stationary, like a crash site (and it could be accessed like a fuel depot). Just a thought. BAS stuff is pretty kick ass as is. So, if this is a NO, no biggie.

2. Might we see Parajumpers/ Pararescuemen. I know that I meantioned this earlier. I read/used Cloney's suggestion, and I know he's gonna bitch slap me anyway. But the SOAR are shitty PJ's. There, I said it. Could BAS could just mix a Ranger, Delta, and SOAR trooper together? Flight suits, with harnesses and magazine RACK style gear, "Hockey Helmets" and kick ass modified rifles. Maybe even "Beacons" like those on the helmets of SEALs.

I feel an asskicking/bitchslaping like no other coming on, gotta go  

Sweet_pup

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

The media has it wrong very often.

That's why we allways say "And you believe everything you see on TV/in films?"

There is nothing better for research than a good, reliable book (i.e. the "Janes" series of recognition and information guides)

Nothing beats thourgh research  

He he he....I used tio believe that too DM...until I saw an MH-60L from the SOAR CAPEX demonstration labelled a MH-60K. It was quite shocking for Janes....and they still haven't corrected the mistake I believe.

Moral of the story...don't believe everything you are told gents....do your own research to verify the facts.

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That huey was actually a C2 bird. A huey was indeed used like this. But I meant the chopper super64 ect. These would have have been huey's too, if the US military would not have have given the movie full support.

Hueys were not used at all by the US Army in Somalia. They used Kiowas for surveilance, and Blackhawks for all the other tasks. That picture is of the C2 bird that is meant to be a Blackhawk, but because they didnt get the BH's until 3 months into filming, they had to shoot some scenes like that, and hope that people wouldn't notice the difference...

And yes, the horror, (I'm a self confessed aircraft/helicopter lover) and I nearly died when I saw the "making of BHD" for the first tie, and he said they might have had to use hueys...

Actually Deadmeat you are incorrect, the US Army did use UH-1's in Somalia for the Dustoff role. If you meant they were not used by Task Force Ranger during Operation Gothic Serpeant then you are right. But the Huey was used by regular Army units from 1992-1994, Here are pics of US Army Huey's in Somalia in Sept of 93.

On topic, I saw the pics of the Pavehawks and was wondering if you are going to move and modify the weather radar on the nose and off set it like on the real deal??? *EDIT* Ok, I think I see what you are doing, you are making the Block 152-162 H\MH-60G's right?

George

Actually Bravo...we aren't modelling a Block 152...although I would love to....a number of Pavies (around 26 I believe) had their radars moved to the nose similiar to the MH-60Ls but this was not designated a Block 152 change. The block 152 radar mount is very different (similiar to the MH-60K) and also incorporates a whole suite of avionics changes that make the HH-60G into a "glass cockpit" configuration....also not unlike the MH-60K.

Unfortunately the Block 152 program was cancelled....I suspect the Air Force will start modifying the K in the future for their needs. The 152 program has created spin offs such as new mounts for 50cals in the gunner windows and some sensor improvements that are being retrofitted to current Pavies.

[Guest]

The media has it wrong very often.

That's why we allways say "And you believe everything you see on TV/in films?"

There is nothing better for research than a good, reliable book (i.e. the "Janes" series of recognition and information guides)

Nothing beats thourgh research  

He he he....I used tio believe that too DM...until I saw an MH-60L from the SOAR CAPEX demonstration labelled a MH-60K. It was quite shocking for Janes....and they still haven't corrected the mistake I believe.

Moral of the story...don't believe everything you are told gents....do your own research to verify the facts.

You guys should start up your own...call it BAS's...or sumthin'

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Did anyone notice that "Star 41" was called inbound to land at the crash site it was an Ah-6.. then when it got there it was an Mh-6? lol lots of things in blackhawk down they thought we wouldnt notice.

I still laugh at the part the Delta throws the grenade 60 floors up and gets it right in the window to kill the gunmen when they were all pinned down.

lol yeah.

And the Sergent didn´t even get shot by the gunner.

wasnt it meant to be a grenade launcher?

ive read the book and watched the movie and some parts are wrong since it was based on the book only

like the delta operator hu went on foot to the second crash site, his character was based on several delta operators on what he did in the movie

m14 with acog sights!

i didnt even notice it till i looked till now

now a have a new favorite weapon

rather than always using the m4 acog or m4 mk acog

[PHY_Hawkeye 0]

Both, the old version will be updated to use the new M14 model as well.

Thanks Evis.

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Got another question for BAS/ OFP community to ponder-

The MH-47E can haul sling loads, but it has limits on speed. After that, the load comes under too much stress from the combination of airspeed/drag, and weigh/rope strength. And it's gone.

Same with the H-60 series.

What about MH-6 Little Birds?

Before anyone tries to rip me a new asshole, read my question:

Could BAS modify the MH-6 Little Bird (Assault) so that after a certain airspeed is exceeded, the "Cargo" (Assaulters on benches) are hurt/ fall off? I know that in real life, the assaulters are attatched to the Helo with some type of small cable/bungie cord like band. But even that cord, just like the sling load cords, would have a breaking point.

Does anyone see where I'm going here. It would increase the amount of skill that the player needs to be part of an assault force. Not only would you have to keep up with everyone else and drop off your guys while dodging fire, but you would have to do it at a speed that wouldn't injure them or put them at an unnecessary risk.

Once again, I'm not a mod maker. I don't even know how to do basic scriping   . But I'm looking at realism. Just like BAS want's realistic/detailed units. I want realisitic/detailed battle.

Sweet_pup

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good idea mate.

[Sweet_pup 0]

Thanks. These types of ideas keep me up at night. That and thoughts of how to combine pretzels and bubblegum...

Sweet_pup