killagee 0 Posted June 26, 2003 According to HK Pro the new MG43 has been renamed the MG4 by the German Bundeswehr. Does this mean they are using it? Has anyone fired one? Is anyone going to make one for OFP? Apparently it will be made in 5.56 as a SAW replacement and 7.62 as a GPMG replacement. Below is a pic of the 102,000 round torture test... Offtopic: Below is a photo from HK Pro I thought was interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted June 26, 2003 The picture in the middle kicks ass!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acidcrash 0 Posted June 26, 2003 heh i wonder how long it took to accumilate all that brass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted June 26, 2003 I don't think the MG3 will be replaced as GPMG anytime soon. But yes the 5.56mm version is/will be in service soon. But I don't know which units will get it. It also need a paradigma change first, currently most standard german infantry tactics are (WW2 style) based around the MG3 which is currently used on squad level. I don't yet know how this will changed, the MG4 might very well replace the MG3 on squad level but I think the MG3 will remain as platoon level GPMG. I don't yet know if I like the idea of my squads losing the ability to reach out far with a 7.62mm GPMG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Reminds me of an M249 for some reason. Anyway, what's wrong with the MG42? Remember the "Gulf coast armory"? Well, they've got dual MG42s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted June 26, 2003 I'm glad I was'nt in the infantry carrying that MG-3 or that old radio for that matter But the MG-3 was very fun to shoot. More fun than the M2 with he-ammo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 26, 2003 RRF´s, KSK, Gebirgsjäger and Fallschirmspringer will get the MG 4 on squad level. The MG 3 or MG 43 (noone actually calls it MG 43 in the BW) will stay with the BW. Due to its fire rate and range it won´t be put out of service that soon. It is an essential component for vehicle weapon systems. From my head the MG3 is still used with the following vehicles: M113 TPZ Fuchs the Marder and all transport trucks have the MG3 for self protection mounted. Right now we are in a progress of altering the weapon concept for vehicles. The Dingo and Fennek line shows this: The dingo can be equipped with a .50 cal machine gun or a GMW 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Additionally it can carry guided AT rockets. As you can see the MG3 still has it´s place in the BW. Although it is heavy and a second man has to carry ammo and the MG 3 service pack with reserve barrel it is still a good weapon with an impressive range, accuracy and firing rate (although the rate has been lowered after WW2). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viriato 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Spain ( a user of the MG3 also) is considering too to change the MG3 for the HK Mg43 at infantryman level, and keep the MG3 for vehicles (we use it in Hummers, landys and BMR). Looks like a reliable weapon and has a good bunch of improvements over the M-249 minimi. They look quite similar but are diferent on the inside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted June 26, 2003 Below is a pic of the 102,000 round torture test...pic so who is the testee? the soldier or the gun? whatever fits BW, they should get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Thanks for that info Balschoiw, but do you know if my beloved Lufwaffensicherung will get it too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Not at the moment. The plans are to change MG3´s to MG4 for KRK forces first. Maybe in 5 years the infantry loadout will be standard for all units but I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted June 26, 2003 To be honest I hope not, I really prefer the MG3 for most jobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKULLS_Viper 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Looks like the M240 or M249 to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted June 26, 2003 Im getting confused with all these ones.The only one i think of is the mg 42(?) which is in DoD and the ones that are extremely similiar that are in ravenshield,the 21E and 23E(??. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted June 26, 2003 The MG42 is the one in DOD, as well as the MG34. (42 is the fast one that overheats, 34 is the slow one with small mag cap). doesnt the german army name their guns by the year they were adopted into service? MG34 would be 1934 and so on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted June 26, 2003 doesnt the german army name their guns by the year they were adopted into service? Â MG34 would be 1934 and so on. that was in WW2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted June 27, 2003 I think it sure looks a hell of a lot like the M240B/G (FN MAG), then again machine gun design hasn't changed much since the MG 42. If you can run one type, you can figure most others out pretty fast. I would loooove to get a tour of the HK factory and perhaps get a chance to shoot everything. That or perhaps a chance to cross train with the Germans. They sure know how to build some weaponry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted June 27, 2003 As far as I know the HK factory doesn't offer tours, tho. :-/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
