The Iraq Thread 2

[theavonlady 2]

Because if all American forces left Iraq, the Iraqi government that would take over would be very anti-American and would likely launch terrorist attacks against the U.S. The president would then get pissed off, and then proceed to launch GW3.

Just imagine that by that time Jenna or Barbara Bush could be president!

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Just imagine that by that time Jenna or Barbara Bush could be president!

Oh no . They'd get drunk and then start randomly giving orders.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Because if all American forces left Iraq, the Iraqi government that would take over would be very anti-American and would likely launch terrorist attacks against the U.S.

Would they ?

Well you have to know as you know that the terrorist accuses towards Iraq prior to war have all been thrown overboard. Same with WMD.

Face the fact. The Iraq war was NOT about terror threat, NOT about WMD´s, NOT about humanity.

The war is a brainchild of TBA´s weird plans.

And the coaltion of the willing has to pay with blood.

Have fun.

You started the war you harvest what you deserve.

1+1 is still 2 even in Iraq.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]Do you think we (western countries) should stand by while attrocities happen, simply because we ourselves are not perfect beings of light?

Yes , did the world attack you when blacks in your country were subjected to racism (similiar to saddams anti-shiiteness) , did the world attack you when your bombs dropped throughout your so called precise bombings killing people throughout the world without your country even apologizing to them .. damn this hypocrisy...

I could go on and on about the Native red indians who were hunted down and killed or the british racism in India where they slaughtered the whole Mughal family just to please their crowns f**** ego where were human rights then? You dont define the time frame as to what happens when and how and when it should move on.

I am against Saddams murder of his people but it was their inteernal matter not your countrys bloody business. PERIOD.

fine, then don't bitch about rednecks shooting Arabs who live here ok?

consider this post a warning. you post was very close to flambating.

Oh please .... keep that universal reply of every mod on nearly forum of 'flame baiting' at bay , my post wasnt flame baiting at all if it was anything then it was mirroring you a hypocrital image of america , a side which is always shaded by the power and money america boasts.

Fact is american govt and the british are as dirty as the Iraqi regime or anyother for that matter , i replied to Toadlifes post in which he thinks his country has superior morals then others when that s not clearly the case as i pointed out. No ones an angel , and saying (we western) countries as if theyre the only one who know about Human rights and shit is nothing but ultranationlism. The war wasnt even made for saving the iraqi people or anything it was purely about Oil as it is and controlling that wealth and to have a new spring board base now that SA isnt a friendly host.

Btw when did i bitch about red necks killing arabs or anything    , what had that got to do with this argument anyway?

But wait a minute if red necks start killing arabs how would america show the world that its the land of free or whatever ...

i can go on and on about other nation, including those of Muslim nations, but i don't since it is 1)pointless and 2)will inevitably start another flamewar in IRAQ thread.

you are here long enough to know what are to be not said, and your statement was clearly flamebating. consider yourself warned.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Why do you think there would be another Gulf War? And what, more US involvement? WTF is it with you Americans and thinking you have a place in the mid-east by deploying armies? I don't see how it is up to the Anglicos to keep messing in the mid-east constantly.

Because if all American forces left Iraq, the Iraqi government that would take over would be very anti-American and would likely launch terrorist attacks against the U.S. The president would then get pissed off, and then proceed to launch GW3.

LOL

LOL LOL

Man. That's probably one of the most interesting leaps of logic I've seen yet.

Does it not seem the longer we stay there, the more pissed off they get? The more anti-American? And daily bombings? Is that not what you say you don't want to happen? And so what if they become anti-American. Not like we haven't given them reason. It's their country. Let them run it.

And considering the Iraq Ver. 2.1 under Saddam didn't launch any terrorist attacks against the US despite havin' great motives to do so, what makes you think Iraq Ver. 3.1 will?

The truth is we have to get out of there, but we can't. Stuck you might say. We can't stay and we can't leave. Well we are just royally screwed then eh?

When will things possibly get better? The next hope is November 2004. But we all know America is blind and apathetic. "It ain't happin' here. Screw em." So look forward to 4 more years of the world spiralling out of control, and I'll be seein' you in Europe. This country has gone to the shitter.

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Does it not seem the longer we stay there, the more pissed off they get? The more anti-American? And daily bombings? Is that not what you say you don't want to happen? And so what if they become anti-American. Not like we haven't given them reason. It's their country. Let them run it.

And right now they're tied up attacking Coalition soldiers in Iraq. Though I'm sure some will eventually slip through the cracks (Read: gaping holes) in security and attempt to commit terrorist acts in the U.S.

Quote[/b] ]Well you have to know as you know that the terrorist accuses towards Iraq prior to war have all been thrown overboard. Same with WMD.

Except for Saddam's minor little habit of sponsoring suicide bombers. Also, who knows what connections will be "discovered" right before the 2004 election .

[bmgarcangel 0]

I was kind of hoping that General Clark would be our next president, the next, democratic candidate. Now it seems as if Dean will be

But democracts as everyone knows are always the people who rage war faster and better then the republics do

If either Dean or Clark comes to power I believe things will start evening out a little bit

[m21man 0]

I don't trust Clark on the Iraq war, I can't even count the number of times he's flip-flopped on the issue. First he supported it, then he opposed it, then he kind of supported it...

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]And right now they're tied up attacking Coalition soldiers in Iraq. Though I'm sure some will eventually slip through the cracks (Read: gaping holes) in security and attempt to commit terrorist acts in the U.S.

They wouldn't be attacking Coalition Forces if they weren't there. Wrongly. Under false pretenses.

Quote[/b] ]Except for Saddam's minor little habit of sponsoring suicide bombers. Also, who knows what connections will be "discovered" right before the 2004 election .

Jesus you know thats true.

"Look! We found all these WMDs in Iraq. Don't worry about the 'Made in USA' stickers!"

Least we won't ever get Bin Laden, since Bush would then have to look for a new Boogie Man.

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Look! We found all these WMDs in Iraq. Don't worry about the 'Made in USA' stickers!"

Least we won't ever get Bin Laden, since Bush would then have to look for a new Boogie Man.

No, they're not going to be planting WMDs in Iraq. More likely they'll conveniently "find" evidence of connections between AQ and Hussein right before the election. As for Bin Laden, there would be plenty of other targets out there if he was killed/captured.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]evidence of connections between AQ and Hussein right before the election

I am not leaning myself out of the window when I say this evidence will not be there as there are NO connections. Make up your knowledge on what Bin Laden said about it. It is a fact that they did NOT cooperate damnit.

If lying TBA is coming up with some self created evidence right before elections you should really be worried if any american believes in it.

Jeez, the governemt has already lied in dimensions that have to bring them to court and you still hope for the bright light.

Edit: As for the reliability of what Bin Laden said. Just compare the lie ratio between him and Bush. Who is winner ?

[Jinef 2]

Hmm, terrorist attacks.... well your just gonna have to learn guys that they will happen, in this fucked up world a lot of people are unhappy and are willing to express it. People just need to accept that the risk is there.

I think that with just plain statistics people on this forum have taken extesy or are smokers etc. The risk is there yet you accept it willingly. Crossing a road, risk factor there. As long as you are content in your nice house with some running water, a marvel of technology used to play a simulation of killing for entertainment and access to this huge resource which you use to look at porn and see what is on in the cinemas etc. as long as you are content with this then you have to accept that someone is getting the short straw and is not too happy about it.

In 1972 the world eyes were really opened to the reality of terrorism ( there was shitloads before then but no one cared ), in 1980 the western world demonstrated it had put in place measures to reduce the political impact of terrorist strikes. In 2001 the western world was obviously a bit complacent, the US intelligence services were more interested on spying on each other than doing anything important thus it was inevitable.

Oh and as we learnt in Northern Ireland, killing terrorists is generally not a long term solution, in fact it makes it worse. The US idea of killing a few terrorists then killing a few civvies as well just for the hell of it is an interesting tactic i grant you

But fuck are they going to feel it when they realise that their proud US army is actually a bunch of frightened kids who are getting picked off daily. The more offensive 'operations' the US feels obliged to carry out to portray an image of security the more damage they will cause to the infrastructure of the US.

Then hopefully civil unrest will follow and all these crazy militias i keep hearing about will try to take over the goverment, now that will be some good TV.

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Jeez, the governemt has already lied in dimensions that have to bring them to court and you still hope for the bright light.

Yes, I do, by making sarcastic comments about how the government will conveniently "find" something right before the elections .

Edit - Which court?

[toadlife 3]

Does it not seem the longer we stay there, the more pissed off they get? The more anti-American? And daily bombings? Is that not what you say you don't want to happen? And so what if they become anti-American. Not like we haven't given them reason. It's their country. Let them run it.

Can you please give some evidence to support this conclusion, because recent polls of Iraqi citizens don't jive with it at all. Wheather the original occupation of Iraq was a good idea or not, leaving now would be completely irresponsible. Recent polls are showing that the majority of Iraqi citizens do not want us to leave.

Quote[/b] ]And considering the Iraq Ver. 2.1 under Saddam didn't launch any terrorist attacks against the US despite havin' great motives to do so, what makes you think Iraq Ver. 3.1 will?

"Iraq Ver. 2.1" under Saddam tried to assasinate George Bush. I'd call that an attack agianst the U.S.

Quote[/b] ]The truth is we have to get out of there, but we can't. Stuck you might say. We can't stay and we can't leave. Well we are just royally screwed then eh?

No we are not screwed, because we don't have to get out of there. Again, pelase tell me why we have to get out of there, and why us leaving would be good for Iraq, and the Iraqi people?

Quote[/b] ]When will things possibly get better? The next hope is November 2004. But we all know America is blind and apathetic. "It ain't happin' here. Screw em." So look forward to 4 more years of the world spiralling out of control, and I'll be seein' you in Europe. This country has gone to the shitter.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Do you think we (western countries) should stand by while attrocities happen, simply because we ourselves are not perfect beings of light?

Yes , did the world attack you when blacks in your country were subjected to racism (similiar to saddams anti-shiiteness) , did the world attack you when your bombs dropped throughout your so called precise bombings killing people throughout the world without your country even apologizing to them .. damn this hypocrisy...

I could go on and on about the Native red indians who were hunted down and killed or the british racism in India where they slaughtered the whole Mughal family just to please their crowns f**** ego where were human rights then? You dont define the time frame as to what happens when and how and when it should move on.

I am against Saddams murder of his people but it was their inteernal matter not your countrys bloody business. PERIOD.

fine, then don't bitch about rednecks shooting Arabs who live here ok?

consider this post a warning. you post was very close to flambating.

Oh please .... keep that universal reply of every mod on nearly forum of 'flame baiting' at bay , my post wasnt flame baiting at all if it was anything then it was mirroring you a hypocrital image of america , a side which is always shaded by the power and money america boasts.

Fact is american govt and the british are as dirty as the Iraqi regime or anyother for that matter , i replied to Toadlifes post in which he thinks his country has superior morals then others when that s not clearly the case as i pointed out. No ones an angel , and saying (we western) countries as if theyre the only one who know about Human rights and shit is nothing but ultranationlism. The war wasnt even made for saving the iraqi people or anything it was purely about Oil as it is and controlling that wealth and to have a new spring board base now that SA isnt a friendly host.

Btw when did i bitch about red necks killing arabs or anything    , what had that got to do with this argument anyway?

But wait a minute if red necks start killing arabs how would america show the world that its the land of free or whatever ...

i can go on and on about other nation, including those of Muslim nations, but i don't since it is 1)pointless and 2)will inevitably start another flamewar in IRAQ thread.

you are here long enough to know what are to be not said, and your statement was clearly flamebating. consider yourself warned.

Typical knee jerk reply....

Indeed you could

But remind me when did i say in this thread that Muslim countries (since you were graciously kind and racist enough to specifically target me for my religion instead country) have been epitomys of kindness and tolerance ??

When did i say we should attack someone bcause we got the moral high ground or some shit like that ??

Lets see whos being flame baitive now

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]well your just gonna have to learn guys that they will happen, in this fucked up world a lot of people are unhappy and are willing to express it. People just need to accept that the risk is there.

No, we'll do what we can about the problem, not bend over and pull down our pants.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Recent polls are showing that the majority of Iraqi citizens do not want us to leave.

Which polls are these and whos conducting them , the US army?

[m21man 0]

Perhaps the large anti-terrorism protests?

[Balschoiw 0]

...let me see...

US troops can´t move one inch without massive weaponary and they do polls. Haha that´s really nice. Mr M16 asks you if you like US troops or not. That´s the best laugh I had today. Awesome !

[Acecombat 0]

...let me see...

US troops can´t move one inch without massive weaponary and they do polls. Haha that´s really nice. Mr M16 asks you if you like US troops or not. That´s the best laugh I had today. Awesome !  

Just watch www.arabnews.com 's cartoon everyday , one had a M-16 rifle which had spoon attached forward feeding Humanitarian aid to the Iraqis

[bmgarcangel 0]

Well right now its slowly starting to calm down there. I'd hope more so that its not worth a life to go up against a force that is trying to be peaceful and restore up in the country. Its just not right.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]Recent polls are showing that the majority of Iraqi citizens do not want us to leave.

Which polls are these and whos conducting them , the US army?  

it's up to interpretation.

Iraqis: "Don't you dare leave us like this, leaving behind what you broke."

TBA: "Iraqis don't want us to leave."

[ralphwiggum 6]

ok, acecombat, take a week off.

[Balschoiw 0]

Ralph I don´t know why you did that. Really, I can´t understand. Bad day ?

I am member of these forums from the early days and never

seen a one week PR for such reason (if there is one anyway).

I know there shall be no discussions about the way the forum is moderated but this time I just can´t follow you.

[ralphwiggum 6]

i gave him 2 warnings to prevent any flame war developing, yet he decided to defy both warnings. worthy of PR.

and for discussion of this matter please send me a PM.