The Iraq Thread 2

[Crazysheep 1]

Quote[/b] ]"In a series of raids and actions around the world, nearly two-thirds of al Qaeda's known leaders have been captured or killed, and we continue on al Qaeda's trail," Bush said.

Interesting he doesn't mention is that since going to war in Iraq Al Qaeda activity has tripled.

[EiZei 0]

Interesting he doesn't mention is that since going to war in Iraq Al Qaeda activity has tripled.

It would probably be much more interesting if he DID mention that.

[hellfish6 7]

The solution is simple. Move to Canada/EU.

Yeah: America, love it or leave it.

I love America, but I think it's largely populated with frightened idiots who only know how to react, not how to make the world a better place. You give me enough money, though, and I'll be happy to live in the south of France or Vancouver.

[Schoeler 0]

The solution is simple. Move to Canada/EU.

Yeah: America, love it or leave it.

I love America, but I think it's largely populated with frightened idiots who only know how to react, not how to make the world a better place. You give me enough money, though, and I'll be happy to live in the south of France or Vancouver.  

I'm looking into northeast Australia. I'm a diver, might as well go where the best diving in the world is. Besides that, the Aussies are all right in my book. Damn good people, though a little too uptight about gun ownership.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Schoeler mentioned it earlier, but I figure it bears repeating:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/07/bush.speech/index.html

87 Billion dollars. Of course it's needed, but naturally they waited 'til now to give us the invoice. Very honest, that. And of course we'll pay, because it's our problem. Our stupidity allowed the White House to lead us by the nose right into this. Whee. Did I mention that this is the first presidential election I get to vote in?

[denoir 0]

Did you notice that there was no mention of the WMD?

Now it's a fight against terrorism. And of course it bloody is when this war has turned Iraq into a terrorist playground.

How much is a government allowed to fail? Bush justifies his military actions with the need for defence against terror.

Where are we today? There has never been so many active terrorists in the world as it is now. There is a growing rift between the followers of  western and the followers of islamic culture.

In addition to that the international relations between USA and the rest of the world have never been so strained as they are now.

What did Bush achieve?

[*] Increase in global terrorism

[*] Two costly and not very succesful wars

[*] Going from a record budget surplus to a record budget deficit

[*] The friends and allies of America don't like America very much.

So how much is a leader allowed to fail?

[-TU--33ker 0]

Wow Bush really made me sick when I saw him speaking on German news programmes yesterday.

I almost would have jumped up and shouted LIAR!!!!! but then I realized that my parents wouldn't understand it at all and did nothing.

I think I'm going insane... I see Bush anywhere. Some guy on TV had Bushie's nose and I got angry again. Today I see a picture of Ian McKellen and his forehead looks like Bushie's... I've got a Shrub trauma!

[ralphwiggum 6]

"The Whitehouse is asking for 87 billion dollars, and when you write the check, that's two 'L's for Halliburton."

David Letterman

[bn880 5]

What did Bush achieve?

[*] Increase in global terrorism

[*] Two costly and not very succesful wars

[*] Going from a record budget surplus to a record budget deficit

[*] The friends and allies of America don't like America very much.

So how much is a leader allowed to fail?

Well I don't know, personally I don't understand what kind of person it takes to go to work every day as an American and pay taxes to fund this stupid, agressive and brainwashing government of theirs.

Why is Bush still talking on TV, this guy should not even have shirt on his back at this point. Americans have all these firearms around and could easily remove Bush if they wanted to. Maybe it's time for a free people like the Europeans to come to Americans aid and remove their dangerous dangerous government?

[brgnorway 0]

 

Quote[/b] ]Maybe it's time for a free people like the Europeans to come to Americans aid and remove their dangerous dangerous government?

Carefull now - be very very carefull.

Echelon!

[Pukko 0]

Yo Americans, here comes the pukko again with an other 'state of the union' question  

Clearly recalling (even if not the exact date) the day this summer when most of you guys woke up from the 'Bush slumber' regarding Iraq. Also seeing less, or none, 'Anti American' kneejerk reactions anymore, and less of patriotic chaps like FSPilot participating in the discussion. And lastly seeing strong statements like this from a US loving guy:

Amen, brother.

So we've wrecked two countries entirely, killed a couple tens of thousands of people, pissed off the entire world, destroyed our own economy for the next 10-15 years and aren't much safer now than we were two years ago. Domestically, the "No Child Left Behind" has turned from a nice ideal to a miserable failure, Bush's own cronies have stolen billions in several corporate scandals, logging of National Parks and unrestricted power plant pollution have returned, stem cell research has collapsed and now the government can spy on American citizens in their own homes without anybody knowing about it.

But he's gonna get reelected.

Wow... I'm really angry.    

Then my question is:

Is this just a local phenomenon at this forum, or is there a real heavy 'Bush crusher' gaining momentum in the silent (well, apart from Democrat criticism - but that do not really say anything) around USA?

Apart from official information about it, like opinion polls; have you guys noticed any turning of the tide among friends, family and other Americans you meet?

Well, maybe you feel that you have already answered by believing that Bush is gonna be reelected. Maybe the patriot discourse is still going strong among most Americans, and Bush will be raised to the sky once Saddam is found. But anyway, have you noticed any change amongst people in your everyday life?

[Harnu 0]

Did you notice that there was no mention of the WMD?

Now it's a fight against terrorism. And of course it bloody is when this war has turned Iraq into a terrorist playground.

How much is a government allowed to fail? Bush justifies his military actions with the need for defence against terror.

Where are we today? There has never been so many active terrorists in the world as it is now. There is a growing rift between the followers of  western and the followers of islamic culture.

In addition to that the international relations between USA and the rest of the world have never been so strained as they are now.

What did Bush achieve?

[*] Increase in global terrorism

[*] Two costly and not very succesful wars

[*] Going from a record budget surplus to a record budget deficit

[*] The friends and allies of America don't like America very much.

So how much is a leader allowed to fail?

You forgot a whole crapload of more taxes. Property taxes around me have gone up considerably.

Quote[/b] ]Maybe it's time for a free people like the Europeans to come to Americans aid and remove their dangerous dangerous government?

Bring it on

[Badgerboy 0]

Bah, we burned down the Whitehouse once before, we can do it again!

[Harnu 0]

But this time we'll have lasers and mini nukes!

Anyway, on topic. My US History (Best class so far. We actually get to argue about the dirty sh*t America and some other countries have done in the past) teacher has a book I think the name was "Bush, dislexicon". It has a whole lot of quotes of some pretty dumb mistakes Bush has given in past and present speeches.

[bn880 5]

Yeah every time Bush opens his mouth he makes HIstory. I mean, if you are careful and watch/listen to him on TV, you can get a lot of good laughs from what he says.

[hellfish6 7]

I don't know if it's just because of the people I associate with and/or come into contact with, but I have met twenty or thirty people who hate Bush (yes, hate) for every one I met that supports him.

I really haven't met that many people that support him - in fact, the only ones I know of that do are either bankers or other kinds of high-brow financial and business types. The typical Republicans.

The groups that tend to support Bush are not many, but they are wealthy and powerful - most major corprations and their executives, the defense industry, the military, and the religious right. I'd say a majority of the money in America is represented in this handful of groups, and they give a lot to Bush.

so, while I'd bet that 60-75% of the population is actually against Bush, he and his supporters have a HUGE political campaign account to draw from. I think Bush and the Republican party routinely collect millions of dollars for each fundraiser. The leading Democratic candidate, Howard Dean, gained most of his political donations through the Internet in $10-$100 donations from individuals.

And money seems to be everything in American politics. The more money you have, the more television ads you can have, the further you can travel to rally support, the more leaflets and bumper stickers you can hand out.

The only thing I think that could prevent the Bush Administration from taking the next election is if enough Americans get angry enough at Bush to actually go out and vote. I guarantee that if every pothead, every officeworker, every Starbucks customer, everybody from a minority ethnic group and every college student went out and voted, we'd have a much different government. As it is right now, only religious groups and the elderly have high voter turnout and it is often they who are catered to during elections.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Yeah every time Bush opens his mouth he makes HIstory.    I mean, if you are careful and watch/listen to him on TV, you can get a lot of good laughs from what he says.

I for one think his speeches are histronomical.

[theavonlady 2]

@ Sep. 10 2003,08:14)]

Yeah every time Bush opens his mouth he makes HIstory.    I mean, if you are careful and watch/listen to him on TV, you can get a lot of good laughs from what he says.

I for one think his speeches are histronomical.

I think he needs a historectomy.

[Schoeler 0]

Yo Americans, here comes the pukko again with an other 'state of the union' question  

Clearly recalling (even if not the exact date) the day this summer when most of you guys woke up from the 'Bush slumber' regarding Iraq. Also seeing less, or none, 'Anti American' kneejerk reactions anymore, and less of patriotic chaps like FSPilot participating in the discussion. And lastly seeing strong statements like this from a US loving guy:

Amen, brother.

So we've wrecked two countries entirely, killed a couple tens of thousands of people, pissed off the entire world, destroyed our own economy for the next 10-15 years and aren't much safer now than we were two years ago. Domestically, the "No Child Left Behind" has turned from a nice ideal to a miserable failure, Bush's own cronies have stolen billions in several corporate scandals, logging of National Parks and unrestricted power plant pollution have returned, stem cell research has collapsed and now the government can spy on American citizens in their own homes without anybody knowing about it.

But he's gonna get reelected.

Wow... I'm really angry.    

Then my question is:

Is this just a local phenomenon at this forum, or is there a real heavy 'Bush crusher' gaining momentum in the silent (well, apart from Democrat criticism - but that do not really say anything) around USA?

Apart from official information about it, like opinion polls; have you guys noticed any turning of the tide among friends, family and other Americans you meet?

Well, maybe you feel that you have already answered by believing that Bush is gonna be reelected. Maybe the patriot discourse is still going strong among most Americans, and Bush will be raised to the sky once Saddam is found. But anyway, have you noticed any change amongst people in your everyday life?

His approval rating is down to 52%. Thats astronomically low for Americans. Clintons was at 67% the day after he was impeached.

Americans don't like being lied to, and we are all starting to see that this administration has done exactly that. Remember I said a long time ago that Americans would take a wait and see attitude about the war and if the WMD didn't turn up, or the administration didn't come clean about the actual reasons, we'd nail him to the cross. Well just watch the fireworks start this November.

In fact, I'm going to start a new thread about the coming election and American politics so we can stay on track here.

[ralphwiggum 6]

His approval rating is down to 52%.  Thats astronomically low for Americans.  Clintons was at 67% the day after he was impeached.

yeah but Clinton was my idol for nailing interns!

Quote[/b] ]Americans don't like being lied to, and we are all starting to see that this administration has done exactly that. Remember I said a long time ago that Americans would take a wait and see attitude about the war and if the WMD didn't turn up, or the administration didn't come clean about the actual reasons, we'd nail him to the cross. Well just watch the fireworks start this November.

Just saw NightLine and saw a part of senate arms committee hearing. seems like Wolfowitz had some serious problem explaing. When Ted Kennedy asked why reconstruction is costly, Wolfowitz replied, 'The war is not over.'

Kennedy: "What about the president's speech?"

Wolfowitz: "Listen to that speech again. he did not say the war is over."

and his(Wolfowitz) attitude was quite defensive. instead of tackling on why money is needed, he became more focussed on evading acknowledgement of situation.

If war is not over(which is true) then why is it dragging about 5 months? Is US military so incompetent? Was the planning for military deployment not throughly laid out?

[denoir 0]

Americans don't like being lied to, and we are all starting to see that this administration has done exactly that.  

So why don't people care about the WMD issue? Why is there not an open Congressional hearing into exactly how much they overstated their claims and how imaginatively they interpreted the intelligence?

52% approval rating? In Britain 46% demand that Blair should resign because of the pre-war lies. That's a bit stonger position than "not approving" Bush's actions.

[hellfish6 7]

Congress is controlled by a Republican majority in the House and Senate right now - that's why there is no inquiry.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Army extends tour of duty to a year for reserve troops in Iraq.

I wonder how many won't ever get to be short-timers?

[denoir 0]

Congress is controlled by a Republican majority in the House and Senate right now - that's why there is no inquiry.

I'm sure that's part of the reason, but you have also the simple fact that people don't care. They don't think that the WMD are much of an issue since Saddam was bad and removing him must therefor been a good thing.

And they're completely forgetting that their leaders started a war under completely false pretenses. And we're not just talking abut Bush lying to the rest of the world - he lied to the American people as well. To bad people in general have the memory capacity of a gold fish.

[ran 0]

why don't the american people just rush the white house ,and cut bush's head ? that's what we would do here ........