Situation in the usa

[USSoldier11B 0]

Yes, wars are expensive. HUMINT networks are as well. Clinton chose not to worry about such things and we are paying for them now. Yes our economy is a bit flat lately, but it's not THAT bad.

[toadlife 3]

Clinton you say. I say the tons of venture capitalists who dumped millions into sites like pets.com are to blame for our current slump, not Clinton.

Edit: What is a "HUMINT network"?

[ran 0]

human intel ?

i mean intel networks based on people

[hellfish6 7]

Yes, HUMINT = Human intel. As opposed to ELINT and SIGINT, electronic intel and signal intel.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]Clinton you say. I say the tons of venture capitalists who dumped millions into sites like pets.com are to blame for our current slump, not Clinton.

I'm saying that his lack of action resulted in 9/11 and a war in Afghanistan. Which is costing us money, and 9/11 hurt the economy pretty badly.

[toadlife 3]

Yes he probbaly shouldn't have put handcuffs on our intel agencies, but hindsight is allways 20/20.

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, if it makes you feel better, "lobbing missiles" were considered useless by political party that gave us Bush, who thought Clinton was making something out of nothing.

Pre 9/11 attack on OBL?

[Schoeler 0]

@ June 21 2003,14:41)]Oh well, I don't like talking about this. The more data I actually see, the greater the urge I have to break out the Little Red Book and start singing songs about the solidarity of the proletariat masses

LMAO!! You said it Tex. Look at the income gap between the rich and the poor, it gets bigger every year (Iposted a crapload of articles on this in another thread once). The middle class is dead. This tax break for the rich will not help the middle class or the poor, it will only help the rich. Reagan tried trickle down economics in the 80's (for those of us old enough to remember that decade) and it turned into the era of conspicuous consumption. Did the poor benefit from that? Short answer, not a bit. It was more like piss down on the poor people's heads economics. The rich don't need a tax break. True they pay more taxes, but their earning power and spending power is thousands of times greater than the average American's. You may be making more money than you were four years ago, but all those extra dollars actually buy less than you could buy when you earned less money. In the end, your reduced purchasing power makes you poorer now than you were then. Every year the purchasing power of the middle class declines, the purchasing power of the poor declines, and the purchasing power of the rich increases. Gee *scratches head* what the hell is going on here?

[toadlife 3]

well, if it makes you feel better, "lobbing missiles" were considered useless by political party that gave us Bush, who thought Clinton was making something out of nothing.

Pre 9/11 attack on OBL?

Oh the irony!

[Schoeler 0]

Yes, wars are expensive. HUMINT networks are as well. Clinton chose not to worry about such things and we are paying for them now. Yes our economy is a bit flat lately, but it's not THAT bad.

HUMINT was cut during the Carter Administration and a lot of operations and mission types were outlawed. You can't blame Billy Boy for that, blame the Senate and good 'ol Jimmy Peanut.

[Longinius 0]

"I'm saying that his lack of action resulted in 9/11 and a war in Afghanistan. Which is costing us money, and 9/11 hurt the economy pretty badly. "

Those things did not happen because of lack of action. They would have happened any way. I doubt you could have stopped 9/11 from happening. And the war following it had nothing to do with Clinton.

[USSoldier11B 0]

I think 9/11 could have been prevented....Previous Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

9/11 sure as hell could have been prevented, but blowing up UBL a few weeks prior wouldn't have been the way to do it. The plans were all ready laid, the pawns were in place, the checks had been cashed, and the die had been cast.

[Harnu 0]

Quote[/b] ]Previous Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

I thought the 7P's were:

Proper Planning and Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance

Ah, means the same thing in the end anyway

[toadlife 3]

Prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance

[Renagade 0]

yuck quit spitting everywhere

[USSoldier11B 0]

Guess it's different depending on what unit you grew up in or what books you read.

[toadlife 3]

The one I posted, I heard from a Navy guy. I did a google search and every version posted here, including mine was quoted in different sites.

[USSoldier11B 0]

I got mine from CPT Richard Marcinko USN (Ret)

The father of SEAL Team 6 (NAVSPECWARDEVGRU) and the bane of all liberals.

[Longinius 0]

"9/11 sure as hell could have been prevented, but blowing up UBL a few weeks prior wouldn't have been the way to do it. The plans were all ready laid, the pawns were in place, the checks had been cashed, and the die had been cast."

How would it have been prevented though? There were many warning signs, but no one took any action. (And yeah, I am sure Clinton is to blame for various security agencies failure to protect the home country).

And even if this particular event would have been prevented, they would have struck in another way. Maybe not on 9/11, but on any other date. Just like you can be darn sure that they will strike again, in another way you wont really expect or believe can happen.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Although not related to US's economy, didn't think starting a new thread was good.

Strom Thurmond dies at age 100

Quote[/b] ]Former Republican Sen. J. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, the longest-serving member of the upper house of Congress, died Thursday at the age of 100. The colorful and sometimes controversial lawmaker, who held his first public office in the late 1920s, died at 9:45 p.m at a hospital in his hometown of Edgefield, South Carolina, where he had been living since retiring earlier this year, family members said.

to make this on topic

Houses pass medicare bill

Quote[/b] ]In a victory for President Bush, both houses of Congress approved sweeping Medicare legislation early Friday to give seniors a prescription drug benefit while creating a broad new role for private insurance in the government-run program.

The twin votes, less than an hour apart, set the stage for congressional talks on a final compromise measure on an issue that has produced nothing but stalemate across the years.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Blah, racist Dixiecrat to Republican converts aren't exactly the type of people I like to share a political party with.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I got mine from CPT Richard Marcinko USN (Ret)

The father of SEAL Team 6 (NAVSPECWARDEVGRU) and the bane of all liberals.

And the father of massive acronyms.

[Die Alive 0]

UN wants US to pay to fix up crappy UN building

I say use the money to build a new football stadium in LA and move a team in there. :P

-=Die Alive=-

[ralphwiggum 6]

Or move UN out of New York to Zurich. works fine for those who criticize UN's presence in a valuable part of NY

and speaking of a football team in LA.....no dice....NFL wants to make money from LA franchinse, and they are whining bunch of salesmen who wants to make profit without spending their money. They asked city of LA to fund a good amount of money to get a team, but why do they keep coming back after city said no? it's because they know they can make money, and with luring bait of more jobs, is trying to rip profit without risking their investment.