PFC Mongoose 0 Posted April 10, 2003 OK, IRL, I've never fired a firearm, I know very little about military hardware, and I didn't really start getting interested untill I started getting aquainted with Tom Clancy and OFP. Now, I know there are some sites that will have all the facts, and don't mind reading through them, but I thought I'd ask you guys: What's the difference between the XMS, the M4 and the CAR-15? Aren't they all m16 carbines? I know there must be differences, I just have no idea what they are. Same with the AKs. -47, -47 CZ, -74, 101.... different rates of fire? Different clips? Different ammo? It's just been bugging me lately, and I thought I would ask the experts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Snrub 0 Posted April 10, 2003 I'll leave the rest of the details to the real experts, but I'm pretty sure the "XMS" is just an (inappropriate) name for the XM-177 Colt Commando - the 'S' being an identifier of a scope on the weapon ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted April 10, 2003 the XM-designation might aswell be from a weapons-trial. Like the Beretta 92FS got its designation M9 out of the trial called XM9. Ninth military pistol-trial maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted April 10, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Same with the AKs. Â -47, -47 CZ, -74, 101.... different rates of fire? Â Different clips? Â Different ammo? <span id='postcolor'> The AK47 CZ is the Czech licensed (ripped off?) version of the original design, and afaik, there are few functional differences, except for the use of a different wood for stock construction and some minor changes in receiver construction. The AK74 represents the change of caliber from 7.62x39 in the AKM (think AK-47 with improved manufacturing techniques) to 5.45x39, the addition of a distinctive muzzle brake to reduce climb, and further refinements of the overall Kalashnikov design. Can be recognized by the muzzle brake and orange plastic magazines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted April 10, 2003 Im curious as to know what the difference between C7 and C8 rifles compared to American rifles either than full auto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted April 10, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ April 10 2003,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im curious as to know what the difference between C7 and C8 rifles compared to American rifles either than full auto.<span id='postcolor'> i think this thread might help you C7A1 vs M16A3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted April 13, 2003 The AK-47 CZ is actually supposed to be a VZ-58 (now for sale in the US built from old imported parts kits ) This carbine is different from the Kalishnikov weapon interanally. Only the general outline of the weapon and the Mag are the same. M4 is pretty much like the CAR-15 and the XM-177 (Colt Commando) except that it has the flat-top A3 upper reciever and a 14.5" semi-heavy barrel with a stepdown to the old barrel thickness of the M16a1 to accept the M203. The M4 barrel is also better throated to improve feeding of the cartridges like on the C8. Most CAR-15's that i have seen (like with the IDF and USAF) have 16" barrels opposed to the 10.5" barrel of the XM-177. Both the CAR-15 and the XM-177 have barrel thickness of the orignial M16a1. Should be able to mount the M203 on a CAR-15 NP I know what the difference is between the HK G36 and G36K, but what model is it that does not have the built in optic, but irons and the picatinny rail between? I like this version the best as an optic should not be built in IMHO. Madmedic??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted April 13, 2003 AK-47, AKM, VZ-58, AK-103 use the M43 cartridge, the 7.62x39mm (Ballistically similiar to the 30-30 deer cartridge commonly used for medium game hunting) AK-74, AK-108, AN-94 use the 5.45x39.5mm. Similiar to the .222rem mag and 5.56mm There are a couple of Russian AK's chambered in 5.56mm in the AK-100 series, but i have forgotten which ones they are. The Bulgarian SLR's and Yugoslavian Zastava's are similar to the Russian AK's. East Germany and China also made clones such as the Chi-Com type-56 carbine AK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted April 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ April 13 2003,01:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The AK-47 CZ is actually supposed to be a VZ-58 (now for sale in the US built from old imported parts kits ) This carbine is different from the Kalishnikov weapon interanally. Only the general outline of the weapon and the Mag are the same. M4 is pretty much like the CAR-15 and the XM-177 (Colt Commando) except that it has the flat-top A3 upper reciever and a 14.5" semi-heavy barrel with a stepdown to the old barrel thickness of the M16a1 to accept the M203. The M4 barrel is also better throated to improve feeding of the cartridges like on the C8. Most CAR-15's that i have seen (like with the IDF and USAF) have 16" barrels opposed to the 10.5" barrel of the XM-177. Both the CAR-15 and the XM-177 have barrel thickness of the orignial M16a1. Should be able to mount the M203 on a CAR-15 NP I know what the difference is between the HK G36 and G36K, but what model is it that does not have the built in optic, but irons and the picatinny rail between? I like this version the best as an optic should not be built in IMHO. Madmedic???<span id='postcolor'> The M4 chamber area has two additional cuts in it to help with feeding rounds from the two possible cartridge locations of the double-stack magazines. The export version of the G36 doesn't feature optics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmedic 0 Posted April 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ April 13 2003,10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The AK-47 CZ is actually supposed to be a VZ-58 (now for sale in the US built from old imported parts kits ) This carbine is different from the Kalishnikov weapon interanally. Only the general outline of the weapon and the Mag are the same. M4 is pretty much like the CAR-15 and the XM-177 (Colt Commando) except that it has the flat-top A3 upper reciever and a 14.5" semi-heavy barrel with a stepdown to the old barrel thickness of the M16a1 to accept the M203. The M4 barrel is also better throated to improve feeding of the cartridges like on the C8. Most CAR-15's that i have seen (like with the IDF and USAF) have 16" barrels opposed to the 10.5" barrel of the XM-177. Both the CAR-15 and the XM-177 have barrel thickness of the orignial M16a1. Should be able to mount the M203 on a CAR-15 NP I know what the difference is between the HK G36 and G36K, but what model is it that does not have the built in optic, but irons and the picatinny rail between? I like this version the best as an optic should not be built in IMHO. Madmedic???<span id='postcolor'> Everything you said here is pretty much on the money. OFP calls the VZ-58 "AK47 CZ" ...and yes, it is based on the Kalishnikov design...but parts are not interchangeable. (MANY rifles are based on the Kalishnikov design in one way or another) As Mr Frag said...M4 chambers have two "M4 cuts" to help feed rounds (most newer M16 variants, and civilian AR15s are being built with them now too) As far as the G36 rifles....I could tell you it was a G36 if I saw it, and I could un-doubtably figure out its operation pretty quickly...But thats about it. They are not available in the U.S., and I have never had the oportunity to play with one. The closest thing we have is the SL8 (which can be modified to look like a G36, with aftermarket parts) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
