Wtc design decided

[Bernadotte 0]

I wonder if it's just a coincidence that it's going to be 1776 feet tall.

[Bernadotte 0]

So much for putting smilies in the poll choices.

They should have appeared as follows:

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

http://dailynews.attbi.com/cgi-bin....esigndc

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

But it does look pretty good.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

hell, looks good to me. Im glad they aren't going to do anything tacky

[FSPilot 0]

I'd like to see something that changes the skyline. But I have to admit that does look great.

[brgnorway 0]

It looks like the model is broken? It's looking good though!

Just curious about a few things?

In what way will the wtc experience affect the construction of the complex? Do they invent something smart to make the structure more resistant to burning fuel etc. ?

Edit: what is the black thing in the tower?

[Renagade 0]

it looks odd

[red oct 2]

it looks nice, im glad they didn't choose those strange looking concepts. there was another concept that i was hoping was going to be the one to get constructed, but i can't seem to find a picture of it anywhere on the net

[ale2999 0]

looks pretty good

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 27 2003,05:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hell, looks good to me. Im glad they aren't going to do anything tacky<span id='postcolor'>

Looks tacky to me.

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Feb. 27 2003,05:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wonder if it's just a coincidence that it's going to be 1776 feet tall.<span id='postcolor'>

No.

"The plan by Libeskind, who designed the Jewish Museum in Berlin, calls for a tower 1,776 feet high -- symbolizing the year of U.S. independence -- topped with a garden-filled spire."

[Bernadotte 0]

I was kinda hoping they'd go with Gaudi's 95 year-old design.

[Mr. Snrub 0]

I think it's the better of the final two - the other one was that crappy-looking latice-work building that looked like a bad plumbing system It's definitely better than most of them, especially that design that looked like two # symbols intersecting...

[Mr. Snrub 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 27 2003,13:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit: what is the black thing in the tower?<span id='postcolor'>

I think it's a sort of garden area - not quite sure how that would work, but it seems like a nice idea

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Feb. 27 2003,13:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was kinda hoping they'd go with Gaudi's 95 year-old design.

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Indeed. He is absolutely my favourite architect. I love the surrealistic organic style of his work. If you have seen the cathedral in Barcelona, you know what I'm talking about.

Here is btw the proposed WTC design based on his work:

I think that it would go very well with the art nouveau architecture of other NY buildings.

Having said that, I'm against a tower of any kind. I hoped that they would go with a park and a statue. Building a tower larger then the WTC is either penis envy or living in denial - I'm not sure which one of them. Besides it will make a very popular terrorist target.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> hoped that they would go with a park and a statue.<span id='postcolor'>

No chance! Do you know how much that land is worth? There were ideas for a park, but it would require the Government buying the land back off the owners.....

Remember, there's profit to be made!

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 27 2003,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

hehe....I just love to quarel today!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that it would go very well with the art nouveau architecture of other NY buildings.

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I'd rather say NY's early scyscrapers are Art Deco rather than Art Noveau. Empire State Building is a striking example. If anything I'd say the Bauhaus-generation has put it's mark on NY skyline and are the dominating style.

Gaudi was a fantastic architect, but his style would be somewhat out of place in the architectual environment of NY.

Other than that a building inspired by Gaudi would be a stark contrast to the other tall buildings.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 27 2003,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd rather say NY's early scyscrapers are Art Deco rather than Art Noveau. Empire State Building is a striking example. If anything I'd say the Bauhaus-generation has put it's mark on NY skyline and are the dominating style.<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry, I meant art deco Gaudi is more art noveau. I woldn't however say that bauhaus style is predominating. Too much neo-classical influence and not much of the practical functional style.

But it is just as you said, art deco - it's a fusion between classical ideals and the modern bauhaus more soft rounded design...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Gaudi was a fantastic architect, but his style would be somewhat out of place in the architectual environment of NY.

Other than that a building inspired by Gaudi would be a stark contrast to the other tall buildings.<span id='postcolor'>

I think it would make for a good contrast. Gaudi's designs always look odd in contrast to a normal skyline and I think that's part of the charm of it.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 27 2003,17:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I woldn't however say that bauhaus style is predominating. Too much neo-classical influence and not much of the practical functional style.

<span id='postcolor'>First let me say I've never been to NY so I couldn't possibly know for sure!

However, I would still bet on the Bauhaus-inspired style because of the fundamental design of modern scyscrapers - like the former WTC for example - simplistic and functional and well in line with the "bauhaus style" if I may call it that. Strictly speaking, NY's architecture could not be said to be typical Bauhas inspired, but instead it would be labeled as "modernism" or even "post-modernism". Whithin the architecture both labels could be said to be offsprings of the bauhaus generations ideals and style.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But it is just as you said, art deco - it's a fusion between classical ideals and the modern bauhaus more soft rounded design...

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hmm....alright I'll go with that! However, the only one of the bauhaus designers whom could be said to also include "soft rounded design (in some works) is Le Corbusier. You would be surprized when you discover his fantastic church "Notre Dame du Haut".

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/Corbu2.html

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry, I meant art deco Gaudi is more art noveau.

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He is very art noveau indeed    By the way, do you know how he invented the (his) "perfect arch" ?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 27 2003,18:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, I would still bet on the Bauhaus-inspired style because of the fundamental design of modern scyscrapers - like the former WTC for example - simplistic and functional and well in line with the "bauhaus style" if I may call it that.<span id='postcolor'>

The simple design yes but the WTC was not typical old-school NY. It was much more post-modern in design or better to say lack of design.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Strictly speaking, NY's architecture could not be said to be typical Bauhas inspired, but instead it would be labeled as "modernism" or even "post-modernism". Whithin the architecture both labels could be said to be offsprings of the bauhaus generations ideals and style.

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Old-school NY architecture is very typical art deco, (empire state, ny plaza etc) but the city evolved to a more post moderen (post ww2) type of design.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hmm....alright I'll go with that! However, the only one of the bauhaus designers whom could be said to also include "soft rounded design (in some works) is Le Corbusier. You would be surprized when you discover his fantastic church "Notre Dame du Haut".<span id='postcolor'>

I wasn't really refering to the main lines of the buildings but more windows and such things that are often rounded. The top of the ESB is clearly influenced by pre-bauhaus but still modern design.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He is very art noveau indeed By the way, do you know how he invented the (his) "perfect arch" ?

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I saw an exhibision in Barcelona on how he designed everything through an elaborate set of hanging weights. I'm not sure is that's what you are refering to.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 27 2003,18:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The simple design yes but the WTC was not typical old-school NY. It was much more post-modern in design or better to say lack of design.

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Well, we pretty much agree on this matter.

The WTC is a typical for a design that has continued on since the 50's. However, when you refer to "old-school" design I suppose you suggest the period of the mid 20's and whole of the 30's period. That is indeed a period marked by "art deco". The question is how representative is that period for the skyline of NY? I don't know, but I'd say the period from the 50's and onward is just as striking and perhaps a bit more imposing. The postmodern scyscraper-design is very bauhas indeed. Simple and functionalistic. Compare the former WTC with this work of Mies van der Rohe (Lake Shore Drive apartment houses in Chicago, built between 1950-52).

http://www.cityofchicago.org/Landmarks/numbers/860880LSD.html

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wasn't really refering to the main lines of the buildings but more windows and such things that are often rounded. The top of the ESB is clearly influenced by pre-bauhaus but still modern design. <span id='postcolor'>

Yes the fundamental design in the buildings ornaments such as the top of the building is typical art deco.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I saw an exhibision in Barcelona on how he designed everything through an elaborate set of hanging weights. I'm not sure is that's what you are refering to.<span id='postcolor'>

Gaudi took a thread from a candlelight - dipped it in stearin - let it dry - and turned it upside down. By doing that he created the perfect symbiosis of the gothic and the roman arch.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">neo-classical <span id='postcolor'>

Sorry if I'm picky - but I seek revenge for my miserable faults concerning the "union" - if you remember?

Neo-classical is a term used when one refers (in architecture, painting and sculpture) to a specific period in the art history (ca 1750-1880).

[Winters 1]

This model is just the basis of what is to be designed. The planners said they "are more concerned with finalizing the space allocation" rather than setting this in stone as the final product (I.E. who much space for the memorial, offices and commercial space)

I hear they are reserving a space that will have unobsturcted sunlight everyday from 8:46 AM (time first plane hit) to 10:28 AM (time 2nd tower fell)

[Winters 1]

Bottom line, i am glad they are moving forward i am sick of passing by my old job everyday and seeing a hole.

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Feb. 27 2003,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Having said that, I'm against a tower of any kind. I hoped that they would go with a park and a statue. Building a tower larger then the WTC is either penis envy or living in denial - I'm not sure which one of them. Besides it will make a very popular terrorist target.<span id='postcolor'>

Building a tower larger then the WTC is either penis envy or living in denial - I'm not sure which one of them.

I'm thinking it's saying that you can knock something down,but we can always rebuild.However i wouldn't want to work in that place.You know terrorist are just waiting for another stab at it once it's built.But then again terrorist going want to knock down every tall building.But i believe they would want this one more.But maybe in ten(?) years when this thing is built we won't have a terrorist problem.