madmedic 0 Posted February 16, 2003 click on the "photo gallery" to see the progression of work. ME262 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted February 16, 2003 This is such a cool project. I saw it on a link on a page Avon provided after the shuttle accident (Aviation Weekly I think). I'd like ot see a lot more projects like this, making flying replicas of classic aircraft from WW I / WW II. Flying the originals is not only expensive, but you always run the risk of destroying an irreplacable piece of aviation history. I cant wait for Forgotten Battles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Snrub 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 16 2003,10:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Flying the originals is not only expensive, but you always run the risk of destroying an irreplacable piece of aviation history.<span id='postcolor'> Too true - plus some of them are extremely rare, with only a handful (if that) of flying-condition originals still left. I wonder if they'll re-create an Me-163 rocket-powered coffin...wasn't the fatality rate on that thing ~50%? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 16 2003,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is such a cool project. Â I saw it on a link on a page Avon provided after the shuttle accident (Aviation Weekly I think). Â I'd like ot see a lot more projects like this, making flying replicas of classic aircraft from WW I / WW II. Â Flying the originals is not only expensive, but you always run the risk of destroying an irreplacable piece of aviation history.<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, only thing I think is a shame is how difficult it is to get original models of the engine. Most replicas fly with modern engines and the result just isn't the same . Oh well better than nothing. I did hear about one restoration team which recently got a La-9 with an original engine running. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I cant wait for Forgotten Battles <span id='postcolor'> Bad news then, it's delayed again! March 13 now. On the bright side, that's about the same time March break starts for me . BTW speaking of Me-262's and FB, here's a preview of the Me-262 in FB : Angel Pushing It also has a nice little preview of the Me-163 Komet which will be flyable after a patch . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Feb. 16 2003,04:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I cant wait for Forgotten Battles <span id='postcolor'> Bad news then, it's delayed again! March 13 now. On the bright side, that's about the same time March break starts for me . BTW speaking of Me-262's and FB, here's a  preview of the Me-262 in FB : Angel Pushing It also has a nice little preview of the Me-163 Komet which will be flyable after a patch .<span id='postcolor'> Goddammit Tovarish I think you want me to be broke! I just wish I had the money to buy FB, but I see so many expenses coming up that I just don't see where I'm going to make the room for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 16 2003,06:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Goddammit Tovarish   I think you want me to be broke! I just wish I had the money to buy FB, but I see so many expenses coming up that I just don't see where I'm going to make the room for it<span id='postcolor'> LOL Oh the irony, weren't you the one who suggested to me "Go buy IL-2, it'll hook you like a hard drug"? . I feel your pain man, I had to cut back my hours at work to one day a week now because of college . Trying hard to watch my expenses, but luckily I have a gift certificate from Christmas that I'm saving up for FB . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted February 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Feb. 16 2003,06:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL Oh the irony, weren't you the one who suggested to me "Go buy IL-2, it'll hook you like a hard drug"? . I feel your pain man, I had to cut back my hours at work to one day a week now because of college . Trying hard to watch my expenses, but luckily I have a gift certificate from Christmas that I'm saving up for FB .<span id='postcolor'> I did, didn't I? Well, serves me right I guess Whenever I'm working, I try to squeeze in as many hours as I can. Kind of makes me a little unpopular with the coworkers, but hey- minimum wage here in Texas is like $5.15 an hour, and I need all the cash i can get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.o.R.S.u 0 Posted February 16, 2003 I hope they also try to reconstruct the Horten IX (Go 229) which is stored in Preservation & Storage Facility, Silver Hill, Maryland. More info here: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_detail_hoix.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted February 16, 2003 Wow, I had no idea any of those still existed . Flying it may be too risky though. Didn't the prototype crash during testing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.o.R.S.u 0 Posted February 16, 2003 The first flying Go 229 (V2) was destroyed during testing, engine failure and crash being the reason. It wasn't the first flight though. Following prototypes (V3,V4,V6) did not see any flights because Americans occupied the factory. More pics and info: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gaz/gotha.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 16, 2003 Everytime I see the airplanes our scientists built in the 40s it becomes obvious for me, where the ideas for stealth bombers were taken from. Â It even looks like a kilrathi fighter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted February 17, 2003 I wonder how much of a radar signature plywood returns -- it might have been fairly stealthy even back in the 40's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted February 17, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Feb. 16 2003,04:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 16 2003,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is such a cool project.  I saw it on a link on a page Avon provided after the shuttle accident (Aviation Weekly I think).  I'd like ot see a lot more projects like this, making flying replicas of classic aircraft from WW I / WW II.  Flying the originals is not only expensive, but you always run the risk of destroying an irreplacable piece of aviation history.<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, only thing I think is a shame is how difficult it is to get original models of the engine. Most replicas fly with modern engines and the result just isn't the same . Oh well better than nothing. I did hear about one restoration team which recently got a La-9 with an original engine running. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I cant wait for Forgotten Battles <span id='postcolor'> Bad news then, it's delayed again! March 13 now. On the bright side, that's about the same time March break starts for me . BTW speaking of Me-262's and FB, here's a  preview of the Me-262 in FB : Angel Pushing It also has a nice little preview of the Me-163 Komet which will be flyable after a patch .<span id='postcolor'> lol i know a guy that was rebuilding that little halftrack i always helped him with building it untill we had to move to a other house Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Had to make this thread the second I was on a PR didn't you. Frankly I'd be too nervous to fly an Me-262. I've heard lots of stories about them being unforgiving and just hard to fly, especially to land. Maybe if they gave it more modern engines and did a little tweaking, but then again it wouldn't be a real Me-262 if they did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 18 2003,05:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Frankly I'd be too nervous to fly an Me-262. Â I've heard lots of stories about them being unforgiving and just hard to fly, especially to land. Â Maybe if they gave it more modern engines and did a little tweaking, but then again it wouldn't be a real Me-262 if they did.<span id='postcolor'> If you would have read some of the site you would have known that it has modern engines (Jumo004 are to unreliable and had a very short service life), further more the use of some modern components (though) not visible has made it easier to handle. Also it is certified to fly so it has been checked, plus the people building these arent under pressure of war so they can reach a level of quality wartorn germany just could. They didn't have 10 years to build just 5 aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Kane 0 Posted February 18, 2003 I think I'll be good in the ME262. I'm going to abandon my current lover, the FW190, for something even faster, even more heavily armed, and hopefully it wont bleed off as much E in a turn. I also read that if you're too quick with the throttle in FB, you have a good chance to flameout an engine or even both. So its going to take a bit of getting used to for me. OH!!! And if I'm not mistaken, there was a picture of the ME262 taken ingame about a week ago that showed it with what APPEARED to be mounting racks for rockets. Apparently four 30mm. cannons werent enough for those wacky Nazi's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ Feb. 18 2003,19:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you would have read some of the site you would have known that it has modern engines (Jumo004 are to unreliable and had a very short service life), further more the use of some modern components (though) not visible has made it easier to handle.<span id='postcolor'> Then I guess it's not an original ME-262. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 18 2003,14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ Feb. 18 2003,19:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you would have read some of the site you would have known that it has modern engines (Jumo004 are to unreliable and had a very short service life), further more the use of some modern components (though) not visible has made it easier to handle.<span id='postcolor'> Then I guess it's not an original ME-262. Â <span id='postcolor'> Read the reports from the guys who actually flew the ME-262, they all commented on how easy and fun it was to fly. The only downside was that it didn't bleed off speed as quickly as most pilots expected, making for some rather hot approaches and landings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Here are some first-hand accounts of flying the ME-262 from Watson's Whizzers, who flew the captured ME-262s out of Germany for testing and evaluation in the US: http://www.stormbirds.com/squadron/mission/takeoff.htm </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Me 262 was smooth, quiet, and very responsive to the controls compared to the P-47 I had been flying for about a year. I had also flown a P-40 in the States, and the Me 262 was even better than that. The plane was easy -- and a pleasure -- to fly. Because of its high speed, I found myself going through my maps quickly to keep pace with the distance covered over the ground.<span id='postcolor'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Thats odd. I heard that the engines would flameout if you increased the throttle too quickly, and of course they don't bleed speed a lot. Meh, I've never flown one. I'd love to just fly a jet in the first place. But that will have to wait for college. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites