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15 minutes ago, GTrance said:

I'm on ZaPHoN's side on this issue.

The same thing happened to me twice and my account wasn't hacked. One game I just bought and got the ban an hour into the game. I paid nearly $50 for a game I could only play online for about an hour. Almost everyone on my list has this happen to and I'm sick of it.

I sent a message to battleyecase. Lets get this on da roll
 

If anyone has purchased a Bohemia game that uses BattlEye and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.
 

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org
 

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.

Thanks GTrance

Please have everyone you know that's been affected by this issue to email Vertias Media until a dedicated website is created.

One way or another either Bohemia Interactive addresses this problem or we will continue until there's enough to seek certification of class action in Canada, EU and USA

This isn't going away. It's a problem I've been seeing happen for years now it's become a convenient way of bleeding paying customers of more money while leaving them feeling helpless. Until now I wasn't affected but was certainly irritated in seeing this escalate but nobody has made any tangible effort to organized a push back so I guess I will not because it affects the little gaming that I do but because younger people need to start learning how to organize and push back.

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On 7/15/2021 at 4:12 PM, ZaPHoN said:

Looking at your casino page that's poorly built http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=16345 you better deal with that web based virus before Godady shuts you down.

I know you said this a few days back but to add to what beno_83au pointed out, Armaholic hence the name was not a gambling site.

     The following is a web archive of the former site which currently the Armaholic domain name was bought and being used as and by gambling site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210429105712/https://www.armaholic.com/index.php

Armaholic ran from 2006 til end of May this year then was shut down by its owner who's name was Foxhound,

i speak of it highly as its been a wonderful site to get many addons, mods, scripts, missions and other things for the Arma series starting with Arma 1

many Arma fans will miss it.

      There is/was a discussion on what happened to the site which is also pinned thread .

8 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Who's side are you on? The corporation or the people who've done nothing wrong?

I'm on neutral ground here if your asking me these questions, im just merely pointing out something based on my own understanding and experience,

about the system, whether there is an undermining aspect of Battleye helping companies get more money out of customers,

or Valve whomever it remains to be seen and proven.

 

       i'm not against what your fighting for here but being in this series since it started i have a fairly decent idea from my own experience that BI is legit

in their intentions behind the game in its development and sales, their not setting up micro-transactions like some companies do. 

      Ultimately before a person buys a game a little research on what the game is about, how it works, functions, requirements, and reviews

should give one an idea whether to buy and get involved in it or not.

8 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

And what would be your motivation to stop me? Could it be a financial interest in BattleEye or their cohorts?

I have no motivation to stop you, keep doing what your doing, if it can solve this issue of global ban somehow then wonderful

that just means more security for us all, but no i have no financial interest in any of this.

8 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Are you a paid moderator or someone who tries to profit believing they are an influencer?

Does it say moderator under my name anywhere?  No im no influencer, im just a committed and dedicated fan

to the Arma series and its community hence my work for it, is it wrong for me to get involved in your thread here and maybe add some perspective

whether its agreeable or not either way it shed more light from you on some issues.

 

8 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

Why does me rallying others in the same situation bother you or at the very least affect your in any way unless you have some measure of personal interest in dissuading me.

I have no reasons or intentions to dissuade you from doing whatever to sort out the ban issue, nor am i against what your trying to do about it

i'm just a gamer like you, probably a more dedicated Arma fan thats been around alot longer and all i can say is sorry to read about what you had to deal with

and i hope whatever you figure it out works out for the best of the community. Cheers!

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18 hours ago, ZaPHoN said:

That evidence is for the lawyers and throw all the straw man and ad hominen attacks you like. I will not be going away.

Either Bohemia or those they have contracted on their behalf to implement some recourse for their customers instead of robbing them by forcing them to have to pay again when they've never cheated in any way or this will continue.

I'm no kid and If you think these attacks will make me go away think again. In all likelihood you have a vested interest in this problem so that only motivates me to expose this and correct it for thousands of people who've been robbed by a circle jerk between Steam, Bohemia and BattlEye et al.

If you don't like what I'm doing then what's your motivation for trying to stop me? Could it be financial. As this goes public eventually leaks will start happening. It wouldn't be the first time. Hasbro just had a great leak and the list keeps growing.

If anyone has purchase Arma 3 or any related dlc's and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.

 

 

Are you actually delusional? Implying I (and/or others whom have replied) have been bribed by Bohemia/BattlEye (or their "cohorts") in some sort of smear campaign to try and discourage you...and you accuse me of ad hominen and strawman attacks 🙄 

You still don't see my side of what I have said numerous times in previous replies. YOUR ban (or again, your account's ban) may very well have been justified. Bringing YOUR "case" to a courtroom re: BattlEye probably wont last 5 minutes. I appreciate your account was compromised, and again, the how's, when's and why's are very much up in the air. If the account breached whatever part of BattlEye's programming initiated the ban, then the ban is legitimate. Regardless of who was in control of the account at the time. Its the exact same as if you let a friend sit at your PC and they happened to cheat and get banned, albeit with the Atlantic Ocean between you and your German "friend" rather than your office/living room/whatever.

 

The real nuts and bolts of this is that you're angry you can no longer play the game in multiplayer. I understand that, I would feel the exact same way you do. However, I feel you're directing your anger in the wrong direction and blaming BattlEye, Bohemia, ArmA and even me for something that is ultimately not any of our (collectively and individual) faults. The fault, and ultimately the blame, lies with whomever took over your account and the method with which they achieved that - be it through a breach of Steam, keylogger or whatever.

I also openly agree with you that BattlEye has its issues, some of which you mentioned earlier in the thread. No-one can deny those issues, especially when BattlEye is openly tweeting about them. No system is perfect, at least none that I've ever seen. Then again, I have never done a day in my life in IT administration let alone work in a network environment so maybe every system is perfect and I'm just missing out 🤷‍♂️

I honestly do not care one way or another whether you go ahead with your lawsuit. As I said before, I'm not special and neither are you. There is no "grand conspiracy" whether you feel there is or not, keep doing what you're doing. I'll go about my life and you can freely go about yours and carry on standing up for the little guy, its quite honourable in a way, if a little misdirected given the situation that brought the issue to your attention.

 

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ZaPHoN you are fighting a losing battle here! I played Arma for 10+ years. 10 months ago I fired up Arma 3 after 8 months of not playing it. I spent 1 minute in the in game menu then decided I couldn't be bothered. I left the game and played something else. Next day I logged into steam to find I was DEV BANNED. 

 

DEV BAN according to steam is when the developer of the game inform valve of something suspicious and they ask valve to ban us. 

BATTLEYE BAN is when BE have detected cheating or hacking software or suspicious activity and have banned you from all BE protected game.

 

This is clearly a dev ban and has nothing at all to do with Battleye as you can see in the links below>

 

https://imgur.com/evrgzFu 

 

https://imgur.com/Y4BGTD8

 

Now for the past ten months I have been contacting battleye as BI have told me multiple times its nothing to do with them. This is clearly deflecting there own issues on to Battleye who have had nothing to do with developer bans. Battleye have even told me they did not ban me nor was any suspicious software detected on my system at the time of the ban. 

I have contacted BI support over this and get the same stupid reply again and again about how they have nothing to do with bans but steam clearly states its a DEVELOPER BAN. 

 

I feel like BI are not addressing the issue and its funny how the same thing that happened to me has happened to you. 

 

Just to silence any cheating allegations I am happy to send my correspondence with Battleye stating no suspicious software was on my pc at the time of my ban according to their logs. I would not risk my account for cheating in any game what so ever. for me like many, Arma was an escape from reality. That has now been unfairly taken from me. 

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18 hours ago, ShotScot said:

ZaPHoN you are fighting a losing battle here! I played Arma for 10+ years. 10 months ago I fired up Arma 3 after 8 months of not playing it. I spent 1 minute in the in game menu then decided I couldn't be bothered. I left the game and played something else. Next day I logged into steam to find I was DEV BANNED. 

 

DEV BAN according to steam is when the developer of the game inform valve of something suspicious and they ask valve to ban us. 

BATTLEYE BAN is when BE have detected cheating or hacking software or suspicious activity and have banned you from all BE protected game.

 

This is clearly a dev ban and has nothing at all to do with Battleye as you can see in the links below>

 

https://imgur.com/evrgzFu 

 

https://imgur.com/Y4BGTD8

 

Now for the past ten months I have been contacting battleye as BI have told me multiple times its nothing to do with them. This is clearly deflecting there own issues on to Battleye who have had nothing to do with developer bans. Battleye have even told me they did not ban me nor was any suspicious software detected on my system at the time of the ban. 

I have contacted BI support over this and get the same stupid reply again and again about how they have nothing to do with bans but steam clearly states its a DEVELOPER BAN. 

 

I feel like BI are not addressing the issue and its funny how the same thing that happened to me has happened to you. 

 

Just to silence any cheating allegations I am happy to send my correspondence with Battleye stating no suspicious software was on my pc at the time of my ban according to their logs. I would not risk my account for cheating in any game what so ever. for me like many, Arma was an escape from reality. That has now been unfairly taken from me. 

If you want to recover your loses then you're welcome to join the fight.

Please also file a report with Ripoff Report. I know it may seem it will achieve nothing but that's the thinking these corporations want you to believe. What it does is helps bring the issue out into the light, leads to bad publicity and eventually becomes newsworthy for the press who I can assure you when they see this is big enough they will jump all over it. They look for stories like this but we need to help them by making it easy for them to compile the information.

I've worked with journalists in the past and when they get flooded with information on an issue and it goes public it can have a profound impact. One story I blew open shut down CRA (when it was called CRA) to CAS public records in Canada for nearly a month when the connection to government was exposed.

https://www.ripoffreport.com/report/battleeye-et-al/bellevue-wa-bohemia-steam-1510123

The game they are playing is a game designed to make people feel helpless and either simply give up or give in shelling out more money. This round robin circle jerk that they are playing is an ideology that's becoming the perverse norm in dealing with the public from all sectors and it has to stop. The only way to make it stop is to organize and push back. Eventually the pendulum swings back to the the side of accountability. In this case they stand their pointing the finger at each other while BattlEye is the black hole of no return or reply. This way the developers can claim no accountability. The law says otherwise and there's case law to prove it.

Of the 73 emails I've received in just one week one in particular is a programmer who works for one of the cohorts willing to blow the whistle when a lawyer is in place who can protect them. Only then they will spill the beans. From what he/she tells me BattlEye and their cohorts have known about this issue for a long time and instead of fixing the problem they have moderators and trolls paid to try and silence and discredit because they've realized that it's a great way to pull extra money.

We see the same games being pulled with Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and others if they don't like your message or politics.

Until the website is completed for automated application,  I've started a Reddit for discussion because like Steam and all of BattlEye customers (game developers) I thoroughly expect Bohemia to both ban me from posting and remove this thread. What they don't realized is the has also become an evidence gathering effort to potentially seek further legal action depending on how litigation against Twitter, Facebook and YouTube plays out.

Because Reddit is also prone to censorship for the right price I'll have a backup location for a forum on a decentralized platform where people can spread the news without risk of censorship.

One email I received from a lawyer in the US pointed me to Barns Law.

Barnes Law, LLP

700 S. Flower Street, Suite 1000
Los Angeles, CA 90017

I'll be reaching out to him this week to see if he's willing to take on class action for US. Canada is proving to be harder because many of the lawyers in Canada are too busy or parasites themselves that don't want a hard fight but I won't give up. I'm sure there's one that covers this area of law because I see some great lawyers that address constitutional issues that just will not give up and have had some very impactful wins. Maybe they know of someone capable for Canada. I'm hearing that a lot of lawyers are turning to fighting fines and defending rights around this pandemic because it's becoming so lucrative and often many of the fines are thrown out.

If Bohemia thinks this is going away it isn't. I was completely surprised how many emails I've received in such a short period of time. At this point I don't really care if the ban is ever removed. This is a matter of principals.

For anyone who's never been involved in a class action before the process is pretty much this.

An issue is discovered that affects over 100 people but can be less depending on the case. In smaller groups they may be co-joined instead of class action which is different depending on country.

Often times someone starts organizing the affected parties together to gather data as preliminary evidence to be presented to legal council.

After review of that data leads to legal council accepting the case they then file for class action.

In a recent payout I received from a class action against an auto manufacturer the case was for all of north America.

I was given a registration site to go to where I had to submit proof of purchase and other personal information so they know you're a real human who's legally entitled to participate as a plaintiff in the action. I was then given a case ID number and then then the waiting began.

A year later I was notified of a settlement and would be receiving  payment via etransfer. About six months later I got my etransfer and deposited it.

In that case legal council who was handling the matter for Canada Siskinds LLP. I'll also be reaching out to them this week.
https://www.siskinds.com/

The scheme that was going on was price fixing.
https://files.constantcontact.com/f0c19887701/9728741c-4314-4363-aff1-41179faeaa5a.pdf

 

I won't be relying on Siskinds solely though because my goal is to make sure I have legal council known in the industry as being the sharks that don't play nice which is why I've used my legal membership to help find a capable law-firm for Canada. When there are a few good sourced I'll interview their record and capability to peruse this matter in Canada.

If anyone knows of good legal counsel capable of a class action for the EU share your thoughts. Ideally it would be best for someone to take over organizing for the EU because I can see this is quickly going to become a very time consuming effort.

However, it kinda feels good the dust off the old activist had and take on an issue. Maybe this will be a warmup to write other wrongs.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

Thomas Jefferson

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On 7/19/2021 at 2:25 AM, ZaPHoN said:

Will your retract your position if in time it's revealed that these Global bans are designed to force people who have money to shell out more money again for the same game. Who's side are you on? The corporation or the people who've done nothing wrong?

Tell me how many corporations have had their servers breached and customers suffered because of their inability to keep their customer data safe? Only someone with a vested interest in BattlEye et al would take the position that all customers are at fault and it's never the corporations like Steam who had a breach.

And what would be your motivation to stop me? Could it be a financial interest in BattleEye or their cohorts?

Are you a paid moderator or someone who tries to profit believing they are an influencer?

Why does me rallying others in the same situation bother you or at the very least affect your in any way unless you have some measure of personal interest in dissuading me.

 

If anyone has purchased a Bohemia game that uses BattlEye and lost multiplayer functionality because of a global ban, they can send information here temporarily until a devoted website is constructed.
 

battleyecase (at) veritasmedia.org
 

Nobody will be represented where there is clear evidence of using exploits of any kind or been disruptive to other players during multiplayer.


 

I've already emailed and received a response. I'm going to email the information over to you a when I get in from work mate :) 

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ZaPHoN

I've reached out to some of my boys in other clans. Their gonna shot a mail to you.

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7 minutes ago, R0adki11 said:

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Thanks R0adki11 for trying to keep it clean.

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Game Bans on STEAM are any form of 3rd party bans approved by Valve

in case of Arma 2: OA and 3 and DayZ those are global BattlEye bans

in case of other games it can be e.g. EAC bans (the anticheat now owned by Epic Games)

 

provide your STEAM id or BattlEye GUID so we can look up the reason of the ban

 

anyway the OP states that global bans are never reversed,

that's misleading as false positives if they happen, are corrected by BE team with unbans

 

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Hi Dwarden, I sent you a message in discord a few days back! Do you want me to write the steam ID in here or on discord? 

 

Thank you

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1 hour ago, ShotScot said:

Hi Dwarden, I sent you a message in discord a few days back! Do you want me to write the steam ID in here or on discord? 

 

Thank you

and you got your answer via DM

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