Aliens?

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Feb. 01 2003,22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Feb. 01 2003,22:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rwryne @ Feb. 01 2003,09:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">anyone got taht supposed ailen autopsy that the "government did"<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, I got it off Kazaa. Sohuld be 60 megs. It's kind of pathetic, for a few reasons:

The Alien looks like a starved person, except for these features:

-Head about 3 inches larger in diameter

-No genitals (How do they reporduce then?)

-Smaller ears (although they look EXACTLY like a humans)

-Large stomach (What do they eat to get that fat?)

Personally I think it was faked. Even if it wasn't, those aliens must've been pretty stupid to eject at about 2 miles high without anything on them. Plus they are so small and thin if they want to invade, all I have to say is BRING IT ON, FATHEADS!  <span id='postcolor'>

LOL <span id='postcolor'>

Yeah I guess they must've thought, "Well our craft is so high-tech, it'll never crash. We can install a spa on it instead of those stupid escape pods".

[ralphwiggum 6]

the supposed autopsy video came to question. one was that there was a lesser known spanish movie called "autopsy"(that's what they called in English) which resembles the supposed alien autopsy film in terms of cinematography.

[Melkor 0]

Ok, that was definately faked, why would the governemt rip out their guts like that and toss them in a tray? They f*cked up those organs. Wouldn't they want to study it?

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Melkor @ Feb. 01 2003,23:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, that was definately faked, why would the governemt rip out their guts like that and toss them in a tray? They f*cked up those organs. Wouldn't they want to study it?<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, they just removed all of the organs and tossed them away. Plus it wouldn't be that hard to fake the video, just dig up a dead person (or kill someone), apply some make-up, etc, and there you have a "gray". Plus the alien was WAY too similar to a human for myself to even consider it being authentic.

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-No genitals (How do they reporduce then?)<span id='postcolor'>

Not saying I believe the video is accurate but I would imagine if the have galactic travel capabilities they may be able to clone?

[brgnorway 0]

What I fail to understand is why some persons bother to speculate about UFO's? I'll tell you this though, someone should definately do some research on the mind of those idiots "seeing" things like that all over the place. Weirdos if you ask me. I guess it's all about someone trying to make money - producing souverniers, tourism etc for weird people with too much time on their hand.

[Major Fubar 0]

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Feb. 02 2003,03:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

hehe

Where do you find these pictures?

[expendable 0]

This is just too much to even begin discussion about.

Maybe when you die you get answers to all these questions.

That would be great fun for a while actually...

[iNeo 0]

I believe there's intelligent life somewhere else, like said already in the first post - the universe is extremely huge and if intelligent life could start here, it could start somewhere else too. People saying that "if there was intelligent life anywhere else, they would have visited us by now" are just being extremely stupid. We're intelligent, why haven't we visited them then...? Duh. And what prooves they've come longer in their evolution than we have, maybe they are like we were when we were monkeys or whatever.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Jan. 30 2003,00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2) The Egyptians and Mayans and Aztecs. This may sound silly, but listen up:

-The Egyptians and Aztecs/Mayans all built pyramid style buildings, yet the Egyptians never came into contact with the Mexico regions.

-The Egyptians had paintings of half animal/ half human creatures. Could this be from alien experiments with mutation? This is a theory I once saw on TLC, where a scientist talked about UFO's and ancient civ's.

-The Egyptians built the pyramids within 50-100 year, maybe less, I don't remember. There were many studies to this, and even modern technology would take much longer to build a structure made out of hundreds of thousands 5 ton slabs of granite.<span id='postcolor'>

This is soo American documentary on tv, hehe. Especially the bolded part. I reckon American documentary shows take some "facts" and make up many, many theories that could've caused it, or what it causes... And have some man explain it all and make it sound so scary, yet so interesting, and make you really want to believe in it, because you want to believe we've been visited by aliens. Couldn't they just have had a little imagination? Like, if someone finds tracks of PacMan in 500-1000 years from now, what would he think? That we had been visited by small cheese-looking aliens that came to protect us from ghosts? That wasn't aimed at no one special, except perhaps at those who believe in stuff like that, which is pure BS sometimes.

Anyway, that was my 0.02€, I can't be bothered reading this whole topic though..

[Guest BratZ]

NO, TLC and Discovery is so European TV

[iNeo 0]

Discovery, yes. I don't know TLC. But that wasn't the point. The point was that it sounded exactly like American documentary shows.

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (iNeo @ Feb. 18 2003,17:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe there's intelligent life somewhere else, like said already in the first post - the universe is extremely huge and if intelligent life could start here, it could start somewhere else too. People saying that "if there was intelligent life anywhere else, they would have visited us by now" are just being extremely stupid. We're intelligent, why haven't we visited them then...? Duh. And what prooves they've come longer in their evolution than we have, maybe they are like we were when we were monkeys or whatever.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Jan. 30 2003,00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2) The Egyptians and Mayans and Aztecs. This may sound silly, but listen up:

-The Egyptians and Aztecs/Mayans all built pyramid style buildings, yet the Egyptians never came into contact with the Mexico regions.

-The Egyptians had paintings of half animal/ half human creatures. Could this be from alien experiments with mutation? This is a theory I once saw on TLC, where a scientist talked about UFO's and ancient civ's.

-The Egyptians built the pyramids within 50-100 year, maybe less, I don't remember. There were many studies to this, and even modern technology would take much longer to build a structure made out of hundreds of thousands 5 ton slabs of granite.<span id='postcolor'>

This is soo American documentary on tv, hehe. Especially the bolded part. I reckon American documentary shows take some "facts" and make up many, many theories that could've caused it, or what it causes... And have some man explain it all and make it sound so scary, yet so interesting, and make you really want to believe in it, because you want to believe we've been visited by aliens. Couldn't they just have had a little imagination? Like, if someone finds tracks of PacMan in 500-1000 years from now, what would he think? That we had been visited by small cheese-looking aliens that came to protect us from ghosts? That wasn't aimed at no one special, except perhaps at those who believe in stuff like that, which is pure BS sometimes.

Anyway, that was my 0.02€, I can't be bothered reading this whole topic though.. <span id='postcolor'>

The scientist was South American, judging from his accent. He was the host through the entire show.

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-The Egyptians had paintings of half animal/ half human creatures. Could this be from alien experiments with mutation? <span id='postcolor'>

If there were mutation experements, and they weren't alien, that must have been one hell of a party we all missed out on

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Okay, some of you are ignoring some pretty obvious facts.

Let's suppose that a space-faring, intelligent alien race made contact with, say the ancient Egyptians. These aliens are obviously highly advanced and whatnot, and also had the common decency to not enslave or kill the poor ignorant uncivilized humans, or give them intergalactic smallpox, conquistador style. So, they're highly advanced and apparently well intentioned. What do they give as a gift to the Egyptians? Some new, startling technology that shoots them ahead on the civilization tree several thousand years? A cure for common diseases? Maybe a weapon they can use to prevail over their enemies?

No, they taught them how to arrange some rocks into a pyramid. A fucking pile of stone. These spacefaring Promethei, these benevolent gray-green, cat-eyed neighbors, teach our forebears how to build a tomb!!! A tomb that diverts a huge amount of human and natural resources from more productive enterprises, like conquering the known world. Rome didn't build any fucking pyramids, and look how well they did.

So, yeah. I'm not bitter or anything lol

[bn880 5]

One sentence:

From the jungles to the villages.

Civilization

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 19 2003,05:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One sentence:

From the jungles to the villages.

Civilization  <span id='postcolor'>

Not too many jungles in Egypt

[bn880 5]

Ok. I agree, there are not many jungles there.

[Nic 0]

There is just too much here for me to begin, plus most everything has already been said...so ill just say simply that I do think that there is at least some kind of life out there (most likely not the way everyone pictures it...but wouldnt that be cool! ).

But here is the main reason I decided to reply...at the start of this thread someone asked if anyone had seen the movie SIGNS. Well I've got to say that was such a huge disappointment. I'm really into that sort of thing but the movie was done so horribly. I mean come on...these aliens are smart enough to create ships to travel all the way to earth but they had no idea that something that could kill them (water) was quite abundant here. What was the reason that they retreated so quickly...did it rain. That director always makes movies with so much potential...but always falls short and ruins them. Sorry...that was a little off from what you guys have been talking about but I thought it would fit better here than to start a new topic...and I just had to.  

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

Ok- How did i miss this thread?

anyway aliens yes

Most people seem here to agree that

1.- This universe is so incalculably huge that there is an extremely high likelyhood that life (in some form) has occured elsewhere in it (perhaps in our own galaxy).

2.- More than 90% of UFO sighting are (and have been )either hoaxes or natural phenomena and experimental aircraft testing.

3.- At least some 'abductees' are likely disturbed individuals or in some other way untrustworthy eyewitnesses.

however there are a number of ideas that people disagree over

A.- A number of 'Abductees' are not disturbed or attention seekers or in some other way easy to discount. Perhaps they have given convincing evidence supported independantly by a number of other people and/or have unidentified 'chips' in their head.

B.-A number of UFO sightings similarly cannot be discounted as hoaxes or known natural phenomena, especially those involving mass sightings (not just individuals), radar traces, convincing video documentation etc

C.- Certain Ancient civilisations (or most?) exhibit signs of alien interference (or at least contact) especially in visual depictions

made by these civilisations and certain monuments (such as the pyramids)

a number of wilder ideas include -

The US government working with aliens to develop certain technologies (and colluding in abductions)

That the Ancient civilisations were comprehensively shaped by aliens (possibly acting as their gods)

That humans are in some way descended from aliens again indicated in certain ancient works, or that humans perhaps had their DNA enhanced by an alien race

That there may be sentient life on Mars

etc

I agree with all of the first points. The universe is so huge that extra terrestrial life cannot be discounted (and is statistically almost certain). This assumes that given similar conditions to earth (which again is statistically almost certain), over a few billion years life will evolve much as it did here from a primordial soup (as current theories suggest).

Most 'sightings' are certainly either natural phenomena meteorites, ball lightning etc, hoaxes, or aircraft/balloons etc

Different 'abducted' individuals give different accounts. If we are to believe them all (even counting only the most believable) there must be scores of different 'types' of alien ,very different colours ,shapes sizes, more or less limbs, eyes, making different noises. And arriving in TOTALLY different spacecraft, some with few lights ,others covered in lights, some cigar shaped ,others triagular, some rotating or oscillating others able to maneuver without changing direction etc etc

It is perhaps possible but the lack of cohesion suggests to me that almost all accounts can be readily discounted. You would expect more uniformity in reports unless every alien coming to earth is a different species. Much more likely is some form of hallucination, deception or other non extra-terrestrial explanation.

This leaves a small number of currently inexplicable UFO sightings and collective (ie more than one person)alien 'sightings' etc

I cannot explain these but this proves only thast there is a lack of sufficient information.

Now it has already been mentioned that space is big. Very big. This has been sited by scientists and those here as support for extra terrestrial life. I agree ,it makes it seem very likely. When i stare up at the stars i feel almost certain in my head and in my heart that there is life out there. But i also feel another thing. Most of that life is very very very far away. Who knows what stage life will be at?

On most of the 'inhabited' planets it will be bacteria or viruses, algae perhaps. Maybe some microscopic species of worm. Occasionally there might be a planet with creatures similar to deep sea prehistoric fish on earth (so well adapted as they are). Very occasionally a planet might have the ability to support larger intelligent animals. Imagine if the dinosaurs had not died out on earth, a dinosaur species might have evolved to dominate the food chain perhaps with the intelligence of a chimpanzee. It may be such on some of these planets. Some with enviroments very different to our own may have evolved whole eco-systems totally unimaginable to us.Very occasionally there might somewhere at this very moment be a planet supporting intelligence comparable to that on earth (or superior).

But as i said ,Space is big,very big. How many millions/billions of light years away will most such planets be?

And on how many of these planets will the lifeforms take interest in space exploration let alone finding other life?(lets be optimistic and say most) And how many will within the period of human civilisation as we know it(some few thousands of years) develop or use the technology to travel even within their own solar system, And how many fewer will be able to travel outside their solar system before some catastrophe wipes out their civilisation? And how many stars or planets will these few civilisations be able to reach and explore from their first experiments to the present day 100? 1000? 100,000? 1000,000?

even if 'they' somehow explore a million solar systems with their miraculous technology they are still only shooting in the dark. At supersonic Jet fighters thousands of metres up. With a semi-automatic pistol.With their eyes closed.

We are not alone in the universe. This is what i believe in my heart. But we might as well be.

Mars might once have had life (or still does as bacteria or somesuch) but it will likely almost all have died out in some meteor strike or similar disaster, or simply faded away with the changing enviroment. So really what good does that do us now? Except to see the way things will probably go for earth one day,

and to know that maybe we are not alone, even though we will never meet the 'others'.(in all likelyhood)

So it looks like statistically there is life. But statistically we have not met it.

All apparent signs of extra-terrestrial interest in earth can be explained one way or another.

The Ancient civilisations theory is easy to argue against. In certain ways people think similarly all over the world. Many societies in history have come to believe that the good (or powerful) things are 'high' and other things 'low'.

It is not surprising then that many civilisations have looked to the heavens for Gods. It is not surprising that many civilisations feature elements of flight in their mythology /wings etc this is not my area of expertise by any means but anyone can see that a desire to transcend from the drudgery of earth is a basic human theme and what more literal sign of the Gods being 'above' men than to give them wings/endow them with the ability to fly. Who would blaspheme against a god who watches them from the heavens?

The reinvention of the past with technologically superior aliens replacing the Gods watching over ,helping and guarding humankind can be seen as part of the long history of the

adaptability of people who really want to believe something

(such as that benevolent-or otherwise- beings are watching over us)even when faced with some contradictory scientific evidence or the prevailing view.

anyway i think thats enough for now.

[iNeo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IsthatyouJohnWayne @ Feb. 19 2003,17:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2.- More than 90% of UFO sighting are (and have been )either hoaxes or natural phenomena and experimental aircraft testing.<span id='postcolor'>

First, interesting post, IsThatYouJohnWayne..

Second, "experimental aircraft testing" reminded me of something me and a friend saw when we were 12 (I'm currently 16 for a while).. It was a weekend night, and we were outside my house standing on a highway's bridge. And we look up the sky and we see something sweeping over us, it was about the size of a small plane, and you can tell it was triangle formed because of one light source in each corner. It was very quiet, too quiet for being a plane, but I can't recall exactly how quiet it was, it was almost 5 years ago. It wasn't flying very high, about the height of Cessna looking planes. It was following a Cessna looking plane, which was about 500 meters infront of it. We ran down the bridge and ran after it - but of course we couldn't exactly keep up with it, so we stopped and watched. Another Cessna looking plane came from the opposite direction, and it passed the first one & the triangle formed aircraft. The triangle formed aircraft turned around and followed the other Cessna looking plane until it was out of sight. Also, next day, Saturday I remember now it must have been, he slept over at my place from Friday to Saturday, anyway on the Saturday night we spotted a star looking thing on the sky, it was closer though but looked on a star in size and everything (relatively I mean), but it moved like up and then diagonally forward, etc, I can't recall exactly how it moved. Very strange movement anyway. I think that was all "UFO's" we spotted. When my bud went home from my place that Saturday night, he brought his camera and said he would take pictures of them, although he had told me that the night till that day he had dreamed that if he took pictures of them, they'd never come back. But he said he'd take pictures of them. Next day he told me that he had changed his mind and didn't take any pictures. Those aircraft never came back however.

Very strange experience, I haven't told many about it cause I know no one would believe it was UFO's anyway.

But what was it...? I'd love to know.

[crewcutkid 0]

There are no atheists in foxholes-Wise Man

-Crew

[Harnu 0]

There was a huge sighting over Pheonix one time. But upon futhrer analasys it was flare testing. All the lights slowly came down then were no longer visible. They went to where a tape was filmed and matched them up. Flares fell behind a mountain. Everybody thought it was a space shit tho.