Aliens?

[digitalcenturion 20]

Righto, the discussions were getting abit out of han over at the a&m:c forums about blackbaron's ufo, and i tought i'd open a thread for it. I even searched for "aliens" in the offtopic, no results.

To start, I don't know if there are aliens. I don't want to write off everyone (but certainly a few) who claims to have seen something as a loon. Don't take me for one of thos indecisive bastards, i can make up my mind. God, for example, i have decided that he doesnt exist. But thats another matter. When we speak about aliens, extra-terrestrials or whatever i have kind of mixed feelings. Some factors speak for, and some against it, and none are very tangiable and are often based on feel more than evidence. And let's be honest, what evidence would there be to speak of anyway?

I don't think US govt. secret planes are responsible for every UFO sighting. And neither do i think natural phenonemons (sp?) acount for all the other ones either.

If we try to make this into an exersize of logic, the most appealing arguments to me for the existance of other intelligent life in universe are 1) space is vast and 2) if it could happen here, it could happen elsewhere. Why should we be alone? On the other hand, if life does happen elsewhere, will intelligent creatures evolve? Are intelligent creatures like man natural or an abomination? The rule or the exception? Are Darwin's evolutionary laws true on other planets under differant circumstanses too? And if so, does the creatures who evolve every develop feelings like man, or are they cold blooded, efficiant?

And you could go on and on. And the longer one continues, the more unlikely it seems that intelligent life could exist, develop, find earth and finally communicate with us. If one could be granted atleast one fact, then the speculations would be more solid. Say, if someone came and told me that a long time ago, there was a planet pretty much identical to earth in climate, and life started evolving there too, i could make a lot of conclusions, but as it is now, who knows?

Another point i've also been thinking about is that are mankind even entitled to have an opinion? Let's face it, we don't know much at all. Or greatest invention still pale compared to the might of mother nature. And we havent even explored our own earth 100%. We are still in the dark when it comes to our own solar system. And we don't really do much to change that, now do we? We seem amazingly content with our own earth. In ancient athens, the word "idiot" was applied to free men who didn't care about politics and the welfare of the state. This word surely applies to us all, becuase none of us can be bothered to look very much futher than our own life. Striving for a common good is only done in the face of an common enemy. Science is good as long as it brings profit or power.

If i was an alien, perhaps i would too stay out of our reach and only abduct a few specimen in secret, trying to unravel or irrational and ineffective behaviour.

Ok, enough nonsense from me, what do you think?

ps. I know this is poorly written, but it would take a month for me to collect even a fraction of my toughts on these subjects (i think too much) and present them in a somewhat attractive way. Sorry.

[USMC Sniper 0]

I DEFINATELY believe in aliens, for a few reasons:

1)The universe is so big, that it is impossible for us to be the only intelligent lifeform in the ENTIRE universe. That's like saying tunas are the only fish in the ocean.

2) The Egyptians and Mayans and Aztecs. This may sound silly, but listen up:

-The Egyptians and Aztecs/Mayans all built pyramid style buildings, yet the Egyptians never came into contact with the Mexico regions.

-The Egyptians had paintings of half animal/ half human creatures. Could this be from alien experiments with mutation? This is a theory I once saw on TLC, where a scientist talked about UFO's and ancient civ's.

-The Egyptians built the pyramids within 50-100 year, maybe less, I don't remember. There were many studies to this, and even modern technology would take much longer to build a structure made out of hundreds of thousands 5 ton slabs of granite.

3) This as well.

I don't know whether these people are forging the documents, but to me, this site is very reliable, and I think that none of these documents are fake. Plus the documents aren't that far fetched, and very credible.

4) Tons of the shows about UFO's I watched. These had scientists, UFOlogists, etc, talking about aliens, plus pictures of phenomena, etc.

Well that's my take on aliens, while I hope they aren't hostile (the ship that I believe was recovered in Roswell was said not to have any weapons on it), they may well be. Plus they have been reported by tons of people, everywhere around the world, from the US to Norway to Russia.

[OxPecker 0]

I saw an interesting documentary on this once.

It seems the prevailing scientific theory is that yes, intelligent life could certainlly exist elsewhere, but the timeline of the univers is so vast that this race would either be so advanced that we wouldn't even recognise them as life, or that their civilization would have risen and fallen tens or even hundreds of million years ago.

The chances of intelligent life existing on a tech/evolutionary level where communication between us is possible was VERY small (something like 0.0000000001 % off the top of my head).

[FSPilot 0]

Being the religious fanatic that I am, I believe that aliens are demonic. Not just because some cook told me though. I've heard stories of people who were regularly visited by aliens before they became Christian. Then as soon as they were saved the aliens stopped visiting. Cant back it up, just a story I heard, but I trust the source.

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Anybody see "signs"? Thats some scary stuff.

[Mister 5 0]

I believe that extraterrestrial life is a definite possibility. I'm relatively sure that intelligent life does exist somewhere else in the Universe.

...However, I don't believe that the Earth has ever been approached such life. Therefore I don't believe in UFOs, abductions, and crack-pot conspiracies.

[bn880 5]

Yes ofcourse I believe there are aliens. Scientifically it would be extremely odd if there were not. For reasons explained above.

And, how many times have all of you heard the word "angel", I won't dig up all the BCE stuff at the moment, but it has been written in various places in the world that angels are beings that came from the heavens. Often they came to earth on their wings or eagles. Nothing less than aliens, just like God is written down to be an alien, the one who governs over all the angels, and lives for ever. In addition God, 2000 years ago, had control of 7 solar systems, and...... (StarTrek eh.)

Hey, I'm just bringing out the facts of our recorded history...

[Guest]

There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy, the milky way. There are about 125 billion galaxies in the universe (1999 Hubble Telescope estimation).

Stanley Miller showed already in 1952 that organic matter (even RNA and DNA strains) could be chemically from non-organic matter.

Spectral analysis from radio telescopes have revealed that there is a lot of primordial soup components in most of the universe.

So yes, I believe that there is life elsewhere. A lot of it.

[Guest BratZ]

Every star you see is a sun,could have many planets surrounding it,to think that we are the only life is ludicrous

And from the examples given for that fact we have always worshiped the stars and gods from the sky

I wont even dwell into the possibility that we were put here

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Being the religious fanatic that I am, I believe that aliens are demonic. Not just because some cook told me though. I've heard stories of people who were regularly visited by aliens before they became Christian. Then as soon as they were saved the aliens stopped visiting. Cant back it up, just a story I heard, but I trust the source.<span id='postcolor'>

You Crack Pipe

Well, I belive that there are aliens. Well, at the very least there are other life forms, if not many intellegent. As for Roswell, the furthest I'd go to belive would be it that it was a Voyager Style probe launched by aliens who knows how long ago. But hey, ya never know

And if aliens are so smart, why do they seem to abduct the dumbest people? (Hicks)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2) The Egyptians and Mayans and Aztecs. This may sound silly, but listen up:

-The Egyptians and Aztecs/Mayans all built pyramid style buildings, yet the Egyptians never came into contact with the Mexico regions.

-The Egyptians had paintings of half animal/ half human creatures. Could this be from alien experiments with mutation? This is a theory I once saw on TLC, where a scientist talked about UFO's and ancient civ's.

-The Egyptians built the pyramids within 50-100 year, maybe less, I don't remember. There were many studies to this, and even modern technology would take much longer to build a structure made out of hundreds of thousands 5 ton slabs of granite.

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That is quite odd. I'm not a firm beliver in Atlantis, but if you know the theory, it can make sense. (Sorta) I think that something may have happened like that a long loooonnnggg time ago. But that's my paranoid side talking.

I really don't know how it happened or really belive any firm idea of how it did, but hell, ya never know.

Also, through out all early history, every civlization that migrated (From south africa, up to asia, then europe and into the Americas) , Always seem to have a figure of a Serpent with Wings.

[Cloney 0]

I can't say I believe in Aliens, I think it is a figment of our imagination. As humans, we need to convince ourselves that we aren't alone. Call me naieve but thats just what I believe.

I do believe that our Government has conducted very disturbing experiments with live human beings but I can't proove it. I love my country but sometimes I don't trust the higher authorities that run it.

[Harnu 0]

Well, at the very least, I think there are aliens. In atleast some form. Plants... Animals... other.

But I don't think we've met any yet.

[Cloney 0]

*cough* Albert *cough*

[edc 0]

Yes, I do believe that there is life somewhere else. Space is huge(which brings up another question:where does space end?) so even if just 1 out of a several billion planets that has life, there will still be many such planets. I don't think that aliens have ever been to earth because they would have to be pretty far away (almost certainly out of the solar system since I think we'd know by now if any of the 9 planets has life) and it would take and incredibly long time(hundreds if not thousands of years) to get to here.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Jan. 29 2003,20:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*cough* Albert *cough*<span id='postcolor'>

Nah... he was certainly not alien.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Jan. 29 2003,19:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't say I believe in Aliens, I think it is a figment of our imagination. As humans, we need to convince ourselves that we aren't alone. Call me naieve but thats just what I believe.<span id='postcolor'>

Then you do not believe what people have been writing through the millenia? Well, I suppose it's possible all of it is made up, for some strange purpose. it's a lot of trouble to make up all those stories and write them in clay everywhere.

If you don't believe that, than how about what Denoir wrote, the calculations and predictions. It's up to you, I'm no fanatic about any side (pro/anti-religious, pro/anti-alien), I just keep my mind open to what I think is likely from what we know.

[USMC Sniper 0]

www.chariotsofthegods.com/

That's a website about the ancient Aztec/Egyptian ties with extra-terrestrials.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Im open to the possibilty of Alien life forms. Looking from the point of view that the universe is so large, there is bound to be another planet where intelligent life could breed, and from the many people who have seen UFOs and the like.

The are rock carvings done by the Aztecs etc. that show rockets and astronauts, and these were done hundreds of years ago so its not as if UFOs and Alien life forms are the newest trend.

And look at modern times.

The first official sighting of UFOs in modern times was by a business man in America flying a small plane. I doubt as if he was flying along when he decided to start up a big scam about flying objects that was to take the world by storm.

I will grant that most UFO sightings are probably made-up, but there are some pictures etc. that even trained experts have not been able to prove to be fake.

Maybe UFO's and the supposed aliens that fly them are just ships from this world flown by humans designed to terrorise earth or something, but on the other hand, maybe not.

Is there any real proof that aliens don't exist?

[USMC Sniper 0]

Hey, welcome back Col. Kurtz. Where were you?

Oh and about the rock carvings, the most shocking one I saw when I went to Mexico last year was like this:

It was a man, except without a nose. "It" had a box on it's chest, with tubes coming out if it and heading around the body. It was about as tall as me (5ft 8), and looked a bit like the alien from those autopsy videos, but taller and without the fat stomach. It also had a complex looking helmet, with tubes heading into the sides of it.

I also saw the same one on TLC a while ago, exactly the same one I saw.

[nopulse 0]

Lets put it this way, if the U.S government had a special group of people look into UFO's, then it can't be some kind of hoax.

Just like USMC Sniper put it, saying that we are the only species in the whole entire universe, is like saying that there is only tuna in the sea.

I read somewhere that the ancient race the Sumarians, had symbols of what looks like a rocket ship in their tablets/hieroglyphs.  And it was speculation that they had the ablility to travel through space.  Who knows...

One thing I thought was kind of spooky, is when they took photographs of mars, in the pictures it show what look like pyramids, and they cross referenced them to the ones found in Egypt. And what they found was the pyramids on mars are aligned exactly to the stars like the ones found in Egypt.  Which is kind of spooky if you ask me.

There is even a picture of Jesus, and in the background is what looks like a UFO. There is no mistaking it. I mean even back then if they are seeing things in the sky, then we can't be alone.

Its not hard to believe that other species are traveling the universe and are curious of how other species live etc. I mean that's why we are developing new ways to go further into space is it not? Why go to the moon or mars if we are not curious of whats out there. So its very possible that another species that has the capability is doing what we will eventualy, and that is explore new worlds.

It could be very possible we are aliens ourselves.  I mean perhaps some dying alien race planted it seed on our planet to save their race from being completely exstinct.

So many possibilities...  But one thing is for sure, we are not alone.

As i've said in another thread, IMHO I don't think we are ready to know the truth.  We haven't evolved enough as a species to be told the truth.  We can't even get along with the humans on our own planet and still fight wars etc.  In time we will be told, when its the right time.

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nopulse @ Jan. 30 2003,04:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lets put it this way, if the U.S government had a special group of people look into UFO's, then it can't be some kind of hoax.

Just like USMC Sniper put it, saying that we are the only species in the whole entire universe, is like saying that there is only tuna in the sea.

I read somewhere that the ancient race the Sumarians, had symbols of what looks like a rocket ship in their tablets/hieroglyphs.  And it was speculation that they had the ablility to travel through space.  Who knows...

One thing I thought was kind of spooky, is when they took photographs of mars, in the pictures it show what look like pyramids, and they cross referenced them to the ones found in Egypt. And what they found was the pyramids on mars are aligned exactly to the stars like the ones found in Egypt.  Which is kind of spooky if you ask me.

There is even a picture of Jesus, and in the background is what looks like a UFO.  There is no mistaking it.  I mean even back then if they are seeing things in the sky, then we can't be alone.

Its not hard to believe that other species are traveling the universe and are curious of how other species live etc.  I mean that's why we are developing new ways to go further into space is it not?  Why go to the moon or mars if we are not curious of whats out there.  So its very possible that another species that has the capability is doing what we will eventualy, and that is explore new worlds.

It could be very possible we are aliens ourselves.  I mean perhaps some dying alien race planted it seed on our planet to save their race from being completely exstinct.

So many possibilities...  But one thing is for sure, we are not alone.

As i've said in another thread, IMHO I don't think we are ready to know the truth.  We haven't evolved enough as a species to be told the truth.  We can't even get along with the humans on our own planet and still fight wars etc.  In time we will be told, when its the right time.<span id='postcolor'>

Ok I think I just got my daily dose of conspiracy theories for the week. Anyway, that was a very interesting post and I am a bit disturbed by those "coincidences"

Maybe the pyramids are pointing to our true "home"? No I haven't been smoking.. anything...seriously

[USMC Sniper 0]

Yeah I also think it is possible we are descendants of aliens ourselves, and all of the sightings are actually aliens that are monitoring how we evolve, etc. I'm actually being serious now. Let's say this happened:

The aliens came to earth a hell of a long time ago, and they left some of their own to evolve on earth. So those "leftovers" stayed here and evolved into us. The other aliens sometimes come to earth to see how we are evolving, how we behave, etc, that would also explain why we imagine aliens to look similar to ourselves, because those aliens evolved to adapt to their home planet, and the ones here evolved to adapt on earth.

This is of course a theory, or better yet a suggestion. Just a thought. Good night all.

[nopulse 0]

I was watching this one video on this site and back during WWII the germans were developing VTOL planes because most of their runways had been destroyed by allied bombings.   And some of those VTOL vehicles the german's developed had a saucer like shape to it.

And everyone knows the allied adapted some the germans advanced projects, like the V2 rocket, Carpet bombing etc.  And they also adapted from the germans VTOL vehicles as well.

After studying and adpating the germans VTOL vehicles and made improvements, they kept this one particular vehicle top secret.  They tested it in Nevada and it as well looked like a saucer.

There is even speculation that what actually crashed in Roswell was not an alien saucer, but was one we created!

Take a look at the video

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Jan. 29 2003,20:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">www.chariotsofthegods.com/

That's a website about the ancient Aztec/Egyptian ties with extra-terrestrials.<span id='postcolor'>

That looks like a TV show actually.

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 30 2003,04:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Jan. 29 2003,20:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">www.chariotsofthegods.com/

That's a website about the ancient Aztec/Egyptian ties with extra-terrestrials.<span id='postcolor'>

That looks like a TV show actually.  <span id='postcolor'>

It WAS a TV show, on TLC.

[nopulse 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Jan. 30 2003,04:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah I also think it is possible we are descendants of aliens ourselves, and all of the sightings are actually aliens that are monitoring how we evolve, etc. I'm actually being serious now. Let's say this happened:

The aliens came to earth a hell of a long time ago, and they left some of their own to evolve on earth. So those "leftovers" stayed here and evolved into us. The other aliens sometimes come to earth to see how we are evolving, how we behave, etc, that would also explain why we imagine aliens to look similar to ourselves, because those aliens evolved to adapt to their home planet, and the ones here evolved to adapt on earth.

This is of course a theory, or better yet a suggestion. Just a thought. Good night all.<span id='postcolor'>

I agree. Aliens could have colonized earth a long time ago and we are what is left after they left.

I mean when we finally have the capability to reach other planets and live on them, its very possible that we will go around colonizing them.

Hell it happened here on earth with the vikings etc. They wanted to explore earth and find out what other countries etc were out there. So they explored and built colonies.