sseagle 0 Posted January 22, 2003 I was browsing the Radishville forums and saw that the "Homeland Security Mod" is being released (retail) in Europe. http://www.homelandsecuritymod.com My question is: Is this legal? I thought user-created mods were required to be free under the EULA. Does BIS know about this, or does it not have any power in Europe (Which I would think that they would have thought of.) sseagle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 22, 2003 Search The FAQ for "drastic". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 22, 2003 Also search The FAQ for "features". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecube 0 Posted January 22, 2003 LOL! Took me half an hour to browse through this gigantic faq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedyDonkey 0 Posted January 22, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does BIS know about this, or does it not have any power in Europe (Which I would think that they would have thought of.)<span id='postcolor'>Well both BIS and Codemasters are from Europe... I belive that whit a special permission (agreement) From BIS you maybe allowed to charge for the mod. I dont know if this mod has that permission or not. By the way this brings me bad memories: *cought* "Between the lines" *cought* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VerySolidSnake 0 Posted January 23, 2003 Which reminds me, whatever did happen to Planet of War? Is it any good? Anyone actually buy it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 23, 2003 Moving to Addons & Mods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted January 23, 2003 WOW!! This mod rocks No screen shots.. no info about the game.. Pretty much as the mod I have not even planned to do. All I can say it that it also drastically changes the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sseagle 0 Posted January 23, 2003 Still, I want to know if BIS even knows about this. Wouldn't they want some restitution for their investment (eg. the engine, scripting commands, vehicles, etc)? Not to mention all the measures that they have employed to keep counterfiet copies from becoming way too out of hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 23, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 23 2003,09:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WOW!! This mod rocks  No screen shots.. no info about the game..<span id='postcolor'> Well, it's about as robust as ............. er ................ homeland security. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 23, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sseagle @ Jan. 23 2003,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Still, I want to know if BIS even knows about this. Â Wouldn't they want some restitution for their investment (eg. the engine, scripting commands, vehicles, etc)? Â Not to mention all the measures that they have employed to keep counterfiet copies from becoming way too out of hand.<span id='postcolor'> Fact of the matter is that XMP marketed their OFP packages only in Europe. When they started with their commercial campaign, Between The Lines, there was a lot of fuss about this on the forums but the bottom line seemed to be that Codemasters either didn't object or legally couldn't - at least in the EU. I don't know whether XMP had a legal or a business logistic problem marketing their packages in the US. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted January 23, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Jan. 23 2003,08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sseagle @ Jan. 23 2003,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Still, I want to know if BIS even knows about this. Â Wouldn't they want some restitution for their investment (eg. the engine, scripting commands, vehicles, etc)? Â Not to mention all the measures that they have employed to keep counterfiet copies from becoming way too out of hand.<span id='postcolor'> Fact of the matter is that XMP marketed their OFP packages only in Europe. When they started with their commercial campaign, Between The Lines, there was a lot of fuss about this on the forums but the bottom line seemed to be that Codemasters either didn't object or legally couldn't - at least in the EU. I don't know whether XMP had a legal or a business logistic problem marketing their packages in the US.<span id='postcolor'> I should release my mod for sale in europe. I have switched the units and weapons so east is west and west is east. Then I changed the name so east is still called east and everything's as usual. The best part is that the mod is only 15kb(just a readme file) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedyDonkey 0 Posted January 23, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Which reminds me, whatever did happen to Planet of War<span id='postcolor'> Well i saw it in a store but i didnt bother to buy it after the experience of previous XMP products... I think they have a Demo so try it if you are interested Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soul_assassin 1723 Posted January 23, 2003 I think both Between the lines and Planet of War went to court with either BIS or Codemasters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane-Radishville- 0 Posted March 3, 2003 I was thinking the same thing when I saw this sseagle... How in the world could it possibly be legal !? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 23 2003,08:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Jan. 23 2003,08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sseagle @ Jan. 23 2003,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Still, I want to know if BIS even knows about this. Â Wouldn't they want some restitution for their investment (eg. the engine, scripting commands, vehicles, etc)? Â Not to mention all the measures that they have employed to keep counterfiet copies from becoming way too out of hand.<span id='postcolor'> Fact of the matter is that XMP marketed their OFP packages only in Europe. When they started with their commercial campaign, Between The Lines, there was a lot of fuss about this on the forums but the bottom line seemed to be that Codemasters either didn't object or legally couldn't - at least in the EU. I don't know whether XMP had a legal or a business logistic problem marketing their packages in the US.<span id='postcolor'> I should release my mod for sale in europe. I have switched the units and weapons so east is west and west is east. Then I changed the name so east is still called east and everything's as usual. The best part is that the mod is only 15kb(just a readme file)<span id='postcolor'> 15k......c'mon...make it smaller. I only have a 56k modem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted March 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Soul_Assassin @ Jan. 23 2003,18:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think both Between the lines and Planet of War went to court with either BIS or Codemasters.<span id='postcolor'> dont think so, What Behind enemy lines made was a campaign i think its legal to sell it, Planet of war made scripts i believe but when you create new tanks, helos planes etc with Oxygen o2, you might get in trouble with BIS & codemasters. Read the contract of O2 and you will know it for sure. when starting o2 for the first time you get the popup for "I agree" thats the contract Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-CCCP-Stalker 0 Posted March 3, 2003 I think it is absolutly illigalto sell any campaing, addon or script which works under OFP 'cos it is connected with OFP. And Behind the Lines used Gunslinger's Editor Addon and they also sold it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([CCCP]Stalker @ Mar. 03 2003,18:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it is absolutly illigalto sell any campaing, addon or script which works under OFP 'cos it is connected with OFP. And Behind the Lines used Gunslinger's Editor Addon and they also sold it...<span id='postcolor'> They reached a contractual agreement with Gunslinger, to the best of my recollection. I don't see anything wrong with a commercial product, if it's legal. To the best of my recollection, XMPs BTL campaign was legal at the time, at least in Europe. License changes may have affected new products being legal, however, if Codemasters plugged up a loophole. Really, you need lawyers here to discuss this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koolkid101 0 Posted March 3, 2003 Besides it might being illiegal but is it fun to play??? Can you post pics of the soldeirs and vechials? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B@ZOOkA 0 Posted March 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Koolkid101 @ Mar. 03 2003,20:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides it might being illiegal but is it fun to play??? Can you post pics of the soldeirs and vechials?<span id='postcolor'> i think there arent any new models in it... only some retextured BIS models, 1.generation addons... but as far as i know, xmp didnt even make them... they took them from some of our community-addonmakers i think... dont know if with permission or not.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koolkid101 0 Posted March 3, 2003 Somemone plz e-mail them if they got permison from the addon makers to use them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted March 4, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 23 2003,08:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Jan. 23 2003,08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sseagle @ Jan. 23 2003,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Still, I want to know if BIS even knows about this. Â Wouldn't they want some restitution for their investment (eg. the engine, scripting commands, vehicles, etc)? Â Not to mention all the measures that they have employed to keep counterfiet copies from becoming way too out of hand.<span id='postcolor'> Fact of the matter is that XMP marketed their OFP packages only in Europe. When they started with their commercial campaign, Between The Lines, there was a lot of fuss about this on the forums but the bottom line seemed to be that Codemasters either didn't object or legally couldn't - at least in the EU. I don't know whether XMP had a legal or a business logistic problem marketing their packages in the US.<span id='postcolor'> I should release my mod for sale in europe. I have switched the units and weapons so east is west and west is east. Then I changed the name so east is still called east and everything's as usual. The best part is that the mod is only 15kb(just a readme file)<span id='postcolor'> lolol, can I be ur manager, I have great plans for the future of ur company..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted March 4, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 03 2003,16:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really, you need lawyers here to discuss this. <span id='postcolor'> Lawyers are too busy with our forum rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 4, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Mar. 04 2003,14:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 03 2003,16:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really, you need lawyers here to discuss this. <span id='postcolor'> Lawyers are too busy with our forum rules <span id='postcolor'> You're still here? I've hit all the mods with subpoenas and interim cease and desist orders! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites