N. korea slave camps

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,02:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am not flame bateing Denoir. I am stating in which I think is a opinion, plus I would like to add I am not USA. I am against all killing and want peace on earth.

And yes this is not for USA, it is for the UN. Yes the USA is responsible for war crimes in the search for Bin Laden. Thats why USA/Israel dont want to be in the International Court!! <span id='postcolor'>

Umm, yes you are flame baiting since you are posting very radical opinions with no support from respectable sources.

BTW, opinions are like assholes: everyone has them and they stink.

[Balschoiw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no support from respectable sources.<span id='postcolor'>

so I am not respectable

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,02:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am not flame bateing Denoir. I am stating in which I think is a opinion, plus I would like to add I am not USA. I am against all killing and want peace on earth.

And yes this is not for USA, it is for the UN. Yes the USA is responsible for war crimes in the search for Bin Laden. Thats why USA/Israel dont want to be in the International Court!! <span id='postcolor'>

I have it up to here with you. Why don't you post some fucking proof next time you accuse us of "war crimes" and causing "famine" and all these horrible things. Hell, whats next?! The US caused the Original Sin and is responsible for all of us not being in paradise?

[Balschoiw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT THE FUCK UP <span id='postcolor'>

If the only way you can offer to debate is a phrase like this I doubt your potential ability to act like a grown up.

[mr. Duck 0]

Come people hush hush, let's leave it all behind us know, and yes balschoiw you are respectable.

Come on let's calm down, count to ten yes?

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 16 2003,03:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT THE FUCK UP <span id='postcolor'>

If the only way you can offer to debate is a phrase like this I doubt your potential ability to act like a grown up.  <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, my reaction was knee-jerk and I was angry. I apologize.

I'll edit my other post.

[FSPilot 0]

Balschoiw, you're probably the most reliable source here. But you're disagreeing with Chill.

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 16 2003,03:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no support from respectable sources.<span id='postcolor'>

so I am not respectable  <span id='postcolor'>

Oh sorry, you are an excellent source of info on this matter, I was referring to the sources HE posted.

[Aaron Kane 0]

Tex is MY HERO!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aaron Kane @ Jan. 16 2003,04:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tex is MY HERO!<span id='postcolor'>

I'm glad someone around here doesn't think I'm a fascist

[ralphwiggum 6]

Chill, you are crossing a dangerous line here. I'm seriously getting unhappy about your flame baiting, thread topic killing posts. if you want to argue about something think before you do. next time you cross the line, instead of giving you a warning post like this, i'll PR or even permanently ban you.

and others:

please do not take the bait. it's already bad that there exists a bait, and hopefully we can stay on topic by not taking it. i know it's hard to do , but please do so.

edit:back on topic.

my korean colleagues say this info is known to everyone(S Koreans and others) since mid 60s. just that US public did not get it(more like we were not interested in it). so this is nothing new.

from that point, i think it is just another case of news trying to increase knowledge base or have more current event to talk about.

[Chill 0]

http://www.spiritjournals.org/Updates....urt.htm

The Court, which will be set up in the Hague ( news - web sites), Netherlands, early next year, is being created under the 1998 Rome Statute, an international treaty signed by almost 140 countries, that takes formal effect Monday, July 1. Despite strong opposition by the administration of President George W. Bush ( news - web sites), 69 countries have ratified the Statute to date.

We ought to be exempt from [this court] so that there isn't any kind of political harassment...particularly when you know you're fighting the global war on terror and you know the terrorist training books are encouraging people to make...charges [of war crimes] and allegations, and you know the press prints them instantaneously," Rumsfeld told international reporters earlier this week... [End of story]

Heres more!

The United States of America was one of only 7 nations (joining China, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar and Israel) to vote against the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court in 1998.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/icc/us.htm

USA war crimes!!

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/pows-d13.shtml

http://www.anti-imperialist.org/afghan_8-27-02.html

http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/afghan0905.php

No proof? Herhttp://www.icclr.law.ubc.ca/Publications/Reports/02NewsRelease2.PDFes more!

"The U.S. says that the Court has too much unchecked power and fears that its prosecutor will be uncontrollable."

http://www.unausa.org/newinde....ce=http

The U.S. says that the ICC could investigate and prosecute U.S. leaders for the "crime of aggression" (that is, the unlawful use of force by one state against another, for example, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990).

So if thats not enough what more?

And my veiws are not radical! They are the truth!

[ralphwiggum 6]

Chill, take some time off. but since you don't have a will to do on your own, let me assist. i think 48 hours would be just about right.

[theavonlady 2]

Crisis heats up.

BIS, this conflict should give you a few ideas for another expansion pack.

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

I might be wrong but i think i read on http://www.sundayherald.com (witch is his source) that they claimed usa planed and made the attack on Twin towers 9/11      

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Jan. 16 2003,14:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I might be wrong but i think i read on http://www.sundayherald.com (witch is his source) that they claimed usa planed and made the attack on Twin towers 9/11      <span id='postcolor'>

Why not? After all, the book was at the top of the best seller list in France.

That's France - as in continental Europe.

[FW200 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Jan. 16 2003,13:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I might be wrong but i think i read on http://www.sundayherald.com (witch is his source) that they claimed usa planed and made the attack on Twin towers 9/11      <span id='postcolor'>

Yeah thats what they said about Pearl Harbo(u)r too

British and American planes with Japanese roundels attacked the base... sure...

Dont believe it for a bit..

Why would america cause victims among their own population? it doesnt make sense...

I think we (the entire UN) need to act on these evil slave camps.....

[Longinius 1]

"I can hardly believe that a western soldier can do something like that. Even if a soldier is full of anger he will still have something like discipline."

Western soldiers are humans, just like any other soldier. They are capable of terrifying things, and have done such actions time and time again all over the globe. I am not saying it happened in this situation, I am just saying that generally it has happened and it is still happening.

As for these North Korean gulags. Well, US officials said this and former inmates said that. Ehm, proof thank you?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Jan. 16 2003,16:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for these North Korean gulags. Well, US officials said this and former inmates said that. Ehm, proof thank you?<span id='postcolor'>

What do you want? Interviews with the warden? Maybe they'll let some social workers go in and inspect?

Here at least you've got testimony from surviving guards and inmates.

Picture it's 1943 in Europe and someone says "Well, US officials said this and former inmates said that. Ehm, proof thank you?".

This article is a good start!

[mr. Duck 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Western soldiers are humans, just like any other soldier. They are capable of terrifying things, and have done such actions time and time again all over the globe. I am not saying it happened in this situation, I am just saying that generally it has happened and it is still happening.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes I know, they are humans, but pouring acid in someone's neck? Cutting their tongues? That seems more like the taliban's job in the eighties. I know the possibilities exist but it's hard for me to believe it.

[Longinius 1]

"Yes I know, they are humans, but pouring acid in someone's neck? Cutting their tongues? That seems more like the taliban's job in the eighties. I know the possibilities exist but it's hard for me to believe it. "

That doesnt make it any less true though. I am sure Denoir can dig up many stories of nasty things done in the Balkans. Some VERY nasty things happened during the Vietnam war. I dont think it has to do with where you come from, more like what you have been exposed to.

"What do you want? Interviews with the warden? Maybe they'll let some social workers go in and inspect?"

First of, it might be a bit more credible if the UN reported this than the US during these times. It is not the first time rumors have been invented to villainise US enemies.

[theavonlady 2]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Jan. 16 2003,171)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First of, it might be a bit more credible if the UN reported this than the US during these times.<span id='postcolor'>

Is it MNBC's fault that they discovered and publicized this?

So now the UN can act. Of course, that is, if the North Koreans let them back in. They just booted out a whole load of international nuke monitors.

[Longinius 1]

"Is it MNBC's fault that they discovered and publicized this?"

No, I never said it was. But it doesnt make it any more true. Lots of media published the alleged murder of infant babies by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, something which turned out to be completely false and made up by a PR and Marketing firm. Now, someone would have hired that firm and I doubt it was Marlboro or GM...

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Jan. 16 2003,17:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lots of media published the alleged murder of infant babies by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, something which turned out to be completely false and made up by a PR and Marketing firm. Now, someone would have hired that firm and I doubt it was Marlboro or GM...<span id='postcolor'>

But they've interviewed N. Koreans who were there. Did they all get jobs on Madison Avenue right after escaping?

[Longinius 1]

People interviewed a nurse who witnessed the acts in Kuwait aswell. How she could actually have witnessed something that didnt happen intregues me. In other words, she lied. Liars are easy to find.

It could very well be true, these things reported from North Korea, but I will hold of believing it until someone who doesnt have a political agenda, that is connected with a source that can be trusted, is quoted.