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I ordered The Sum of All fears tonight on pay per view and watched it great damn war movie. This is pretty realistic the setting would be like if the cold war went on I think. Abit strange at parts and I don’t think America would start launching bombs at them inless they knew for sure that it was Russia. What Tom Clancy book is it based on is the book called The Sum of All Fears? I give this movie a 4 out of 5

BTW: Why would the Marines come in when the nuke went off to save the president wouldn’t it be like the National Guard or Army?

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This movie was pure garbage! Ben Afleck as Jack Ryan....No friggin way in hell, and did you see who played John Clark?? /pukes on the floor

I'm a huge fan of Tom Clancy novels and "A Sum of All Fears" was one of my favourites. I found the movie adaption a complete insult. They completely lost the whole point of the story.

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Well i havent read the book so i guess i cant really have a say in it. I think the acting was ok and im sure the story plot was better in the book.

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I'm a bit biased from reading the book, so I probably slammed this movie more than it deserved..

The plot made better sense during the original timeline (late 80's early 90's) When US / Russian relations were much more fragile.

The trouble spot in the book is not Chechnya either, It's about Israel vs. Palestinians in the beginning, and includes a very clever plan by Jack Ryan to bring peace to the region... Does anyone else remember this? I'm surprised that it has'nt been brought up in the Mid East thread. I think the movie writers changed this (thus changing the entire story) to avoid any political heat that might arise.

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I haven't seen it, but I think the concept is just bad, mainly for timing.

I mean come on, right now we're all riled up about WMDs and crap, so someone makes a movie about it.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TaNK_Em @ Dec. 15 2002,06:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW: Why would the Marines come in when the nuke went off to save the president wouldn’t it be like the National Guard or Army?<span id='postcolor'>

Marines are tasked with providing security at Camp David and in D.C.  More than likely response in a similar situation would be infantry from Camp David Security Forces with helo support from HMX-1 (the "Marine One" squadron).

SOAF was in production long before 9/11.  And other than the switch to neo-nazis (ironically, the producers didn't want to be accused of perpetuating the "militant islamic terrorist" stereotype), I thought it was a pretty good flick.  

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lazarus_Long @ Dec. 15 2002,06:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The trouble spot in the book is not Chechnya either, It's about Israel vs. Palestinians in the beginning, and includes a very clever plan by Jack Ryan to bring peace to the region... Does anyone else remember this?  I'm surprised that it has'nt been brought up in the Mid East thread.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, the non-violent resistance by the Palestinians (in the book, obviously) as a way to resolve the conflict has been mentioned.  wink.gif

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If you have search around on the forum, you will probably find my drunken rant regarding the film.....

In short, the messed up the timeline horribly, no Harrision Ford (Who IS Jack Ryan!wink.gif, and the followed the PC, try not to offend anyone path....

Extreme right wingers try to eliminate the US? Utter balls! The book at least had Middle East terrorists trying to strike at the US for the political mess that the Middle East is in....

That actually made sense, and the book reflected from both sides of the story, unlike these neo-nazi crap....

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And for the love of god, don't buy the game....

Take Ghost Recon, muddy all the graphics, turn enemy ai off, and set the difficulty to blind 3yr old mode.

I'm surprised the CD didn't come with the tag saying 'The game is water proof, and chewable'

Arghhhhh!

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They should have kept Harrison Ford as Jack Ryan (Like Badgerboy said, he IS Jack Ryan), and Willem Dafoe as Clark (This was basically the cast of "Clear and Present Danger".)

They also should have kept the story line as it was, I hate it when they change storylines of books, or keep the good parts out. (Why did they change some of the guy's names in BHD? THey also excluded the part when that women with the RPG's is shot tons of times, and when the US soldier is shot in the crotch)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Dec. 15 2002,15:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm surprised the CD didn't come with the tag saying 'The game is water proof, and chewable'<span id='postcolor'>

lol , i have to remind this one smile.gif

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Dec. 15 2002,15:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why did they change some of the guy's names in BHD? THey also excluded the part when that women with the RPG's is shot tons of times, and when the US soldier is shot in the crotch<span id='postcolor'>

yeah those parts were extremely good .....

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might have not been understood correctly .. but if some parts haven't been pictured in the film , there's a reason

a woman getting chopped by the fire of half a dozen of smallarms followed by her long agony .. cool .....

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Those weren't that good, it's just that they were probably excluded because the audience doesn't want to see a women get shot a lot of times and still struggle to live, or a man getting shot in the crotch and bleeding profusely. Some other technical details were excluded as well, such as the location where the second helo crashed (Durant said a sheet of metal fell onto the top of the helo, and it was in an alley, not in a small courtyard). The first helo was also wrongly placed in the movie, none of the helicopters that were shot down fell into open areas. They also showed deltas rescuing the first helo crew, and it should have been CSAR guys.

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I've read all the tom clancy books (i had a lot of time okay) and after about seven you start to realise that although some of the good guys die and he does both sides well it's all about religous people addicted to coffee! Honestly i'm sure Tom Clancy is a christian coffee addict!

But other than that great books. I especially like when the Ruskies launch forward and get iceland but the good ol' RAF stops them! Or was that my own little version i made up?

I hate how films soften the real intensity and hatred in warfare. like in Black Hawk Downthe helicopters going down, any helicopter pilots here will know that the pilot isn't idly going to sit there saying mayday into his radio, he's going to be assesing the damage, looking at his displays trying to cut power to opposite engine of the spin, seeing if he has cyclic response to autorotate with, looking for possible clear areas to crash into, avoiding population centres. Not just flutter out of the sky. at least there wasn't a huge orange fireball.

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One of my old instructors was a Navy Helo Pilot. (ASW Seakings) When he saw sequence with the Blackhawk, he laughed out loud. It manages to fly half way across the city before crashing.

If the tail rotor fails your screwed. Theres not much you can do, not even autorotate properly. You simply plummet.....

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You still drop the collective to reduce torque and therefore stop the spin getting any faster and put a paper bag over your head, but it won't help much. I can understand why your instructor laughed, it wasn't a very detailed helicopter going down scene. But there are still things you can do even if you lose your tail rotor......like pray.

The reason they elongate these scenes is to allow people to take it in as their brains aren't racing like they would be if they were there. But honestly in a realistic situation a helicopter being hit by an RPG is going to fall out of the sky pretty quickly, if they recorded it in real time all the audience would see from an external view would be a black lump of metal dropping to earth and from inside a blurry spinning picture for about 10-20 seconds.

Btw Badgerboy what do you fly?

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I just saw this move and I'll ask my question here instead of starting a new thread:

Can anyone tell me what type of choppers the marines flew in to evac the pres after the explosion? You know, the big boxy ones...thanx smile.gif

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If I remember the movie, I think that was prolly an MH-53 Pave Low, or (less likely) a CH-53 Sea Stallion or MH-53 Sea Dragon.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (johnnylump @ Jan. 20 2003,15:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I remember the movie, I think that was prolly an MH-53 Pave Low, or (less likely) a CH-53 Sea Stallion or MH-53 Sea Dragon.<span id='postcolor'>

yep, that's what they used.

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I haven't seen "The sum of all fears" yet.

Wish its on DVD...

..

Wait it is on DVD.

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Sum of All Fears was a disgrace - all previous Jack Ryan films were far superior.

*SPOILERS* (to already spoiled film)

They even changed the script from the book to a more politically correct one - instead of islamic fundamentalists A-bomb is detonated by neo-nazis based in Vienna! How very very realistic scenario! Only decent scene is when the nuclear device is actually detonated in Baltimore. That was the only part which was any good.

And the ending - Ben Affleck having a picnic on White House lawn with his girlfriend and some Russian official bringing them a nice little gift - while some 100,000 people died while the atomic bomb was detonated just moments ago!

Horrible. I can't believe some people actually like this messy movie. Jack Ryan series is now totally put to shame with this movie - unless you get Philip Noyce and Harrison Ford/Alec Baldwin team to do it again.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 15 2002,07:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I haven't seen it, but I think the concept is just bad, mainly for timing.

I mean come on, right now we're all riled up about WMDs and crap, so someone makes a movie about it.<span id='postcolor'>

I think the book was made before the possible war on Iraq. Anyways, what dosen't get you more pumped for the drums of war like a war movie? tounge.gif

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I saw this last week on DVD and let me say it was pretty poor. I haven't read the book, which I am told is very good, but the characterisation (especially of the bad guys) was terrible. The bad guys were like 2 dimensional comic book or Bond villains. I expected the big aryan guy who kept strangling people to pull out a bowler hat with razor edges and throw it at someone like Oddjob. Two thumbs down for this predictable and poorly scripted book adaption.

Afleck is really starting to get up mt nose - I've hated him in everything Ive seen except the early Kevin Smith roles. I really hope they don't get him to play Daredevil or the Preacher in upcoming comic adaptions.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Jan. 21 2003,02:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I saw this last week on DVD and let me say it was pretty poor. I haven't read the book, which I am told is very good, but the characterisation (especially of the bad guys) was terrible. The bad guys were like 2 dimensional comic book or Bond villains. I expected the big aryan guy who kept strangling people to pull out a bowler hat with razor edges and throw it at someone like Oddjob. Two thumbs down for this predictable and poorly scripted book adaption.

Afleck is really starting to get up mt nose - I've hated him in everything Ive seen except the early Kevin Smith roles. I really hope they don't get him to play Daredevil or the Preacher in upcoming comic adaptions.<span id='postcolor'>

I especially liked the fact that those 6 Backfire's managed to take out a CVN.

Where the hell were the screening ships? The CAPs?

One thing is for sure, that Captain is lucky to get a garbage scow full of dog sh*t to command next.

Not sure how it was handled in the book. I can only say "better" for sure.

Also like Ben Affleck running through a recently nuked downtown with no problem.

PS...Affleck is Daredevil. Saw the preview at The Two Towers show.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 21 2003,02:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Jan. 21 2003,02:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I saw this last week on DVD and let me say it was pretty poor. I haven't read the book, which I am told is very good, but the characterisation (especially of the bad guys) was terrible. The bad guys were like 2 dimensional comic book or Bond villains. I expected the big aryan guy who kept strangling people to pull out a bowler hat with razor edges and throw it at someone like Oddjob. Two thumbs down for this predictable and poorly scripted book adaption.

Afleck is really starting to get up mt nose - I've hated him in everything Ive seen except the early Kevin Smith roles. I really hope they don't get him to play Daredevil or the Preacher in upcoming comic adaptions.<span id='postcolor'>

I especially liked the fact that those 6 Backfire's managed to take out a CVN.

Where the hell were the screening ships? The CAPs?

One thing is for sure, that Captain is lucky to get a garbage scow full of dog sh*t to command next.

Not sure how it was handled in the book. I can only say "better" for sure.

Also like Ben Affleck running through a recently nuked downtown with no problem.

PS...Affleck is Daredevil. Saw the preview at The Two Towers show.<span id='postcolor'>

I totally agree. Wouldn't the CAPs and escort ships see those Backfires coming a few hundred miles out? I don't care how good a backfire pilot you are, you're fucked when an F/A-18 or F-14 gets on your tail and sends your Commie ass to the bottom of the ocean. biggrin.gif

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 21 2003,02:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PS...Affleck is Daredevil. Saw the preview at The Two Towers show.<span id='postcolor'>

Noooooooooo!

I hopr Kingpin breaks his bony white ass! Afleck is such a hack, he should have stuck to his low-key-homoerotic flicks with Matt Damon.

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