bug Vanilla weapons squad - leader (player) orders, on AIs, are broken by "deputy leader".

[pierremgi 4850]

Hi all,

It seems to me unconscious state provides some trouble with commanding menu.

In Vanilla Arma 1.80, all DLC's (but Kart).

Place a group of units, player leader. SP/MP doesn't matter but, for some consistency, let's play in MP, respawn on death, revive enabled for all players.

 

I named 3 units u1,u2,u3, and in a radio trigger, (or what ever mean to run a code), I prepared the unconscious state for these 3 units (tested with 3 but probably not significant), by

{_x setUnconscious true} foreach [u1,u2,u3];

 

Run the preview in SP or MP (so you're in hosted server).

Command units to move

Call the code to make three of them falling unconsious

continue to command the group...

 

- each time you're ordering "regroup", the remaining units will regroup on your position,

- each time you're ordering "go here", the remaining units will regroup around an unconscious unit (TL?) , no matter the direction you ordered.

 

See video.

It's "almost" the same if you replace setUnconscious true by setDamage 1 (killing units). Just test it!  At the very first seconds the units seems to rally a dead unit then follow your order when the "situational awareness" is broadcast inside the group. Dead units are ignored and the move order is correctly executed. On the contrary of their unconscious state, probably breaking the broadcast S.A.

 

IMHO, Unconscious state is not correctly implemented for all AI behaviors or AI presence/status.

NB : To be compared with all animations (like healing) incompatible with falling into unconsciousness. The healing anim continues after revive but the unit is stuck in weird prone.

I hope this help.

 

 

EDITED (see below)

 

This is a bug from a more complex problem, not only on unconscious units, but also "deputy leader" stuck somewhere. ARMA ENGINE BUG.

 

[pierremgi 4850]

Problem still persists v 1.82

Remaining alive units don't follow leader player orders (except regroup) when some AIs are unconscious!

[pierremgi 4850]

Still no improvement with this weird behavior. Am I the only one who experience that (Vanilla, 100% reproductive)?

Are Arma addicts happy to hear some new leader (AI) yelling some orders to unconscious player?

Ridiculous at most but not so annoying as disobedient units when you're leader back again!

[pierremgi 4850]

At least the (AI) marksman in group of 8 (vanilla weapon squad) breaks the move order for the whole group, when he is unconscious.

Thanks BI for looking at this issue.

[pierremgi 4850]

No need to fall unconscious. This vanilla group is broken if JIP chooses marksman slot!

 

So, I'm changing the title of the thread. Initially:

unconscious state breaks command action on other AIs

to:

Vanilla weapons squad - TL player order broken by JIP

 

Easy repeatable bug:

 

- Place a vanilla weapons squad od 8 on map (Vanilla Arma).

- Make slot playable

- run a MP session (hosted for me)

- Choose TL and order moves for your group

- JIP on client and choose marksman slot

- order what you want from TL

- just remark that all AIs are glued around the marksman, moving slightly to keep the formation in the direction of the ordered point, but no one moves!

 

That's a rebellion!... and a bug by the way.

A tried some other configurations for group. It seems so far that a couple TL/Marksman gets divorce, even if playing with ranks. Perhaps some other ones.

[pierremgi 4850]

This problem is remaining so far (v 1.90)...

 

In a BLUE vanilla weapon squad (playable), MP session (hosted or dedicated),

 

- play as leader: you can order moves to your group

- ask a second player for marksman unit. As leader, you can't order anymore move while marksman is played....

 

Simple to reproduce. Hard to understand this vanilla bug. Probably, some other hidden unwanted behaviors like this, depending on engine. I found the couple leader/marksman but who can say that's so specific?

 

Thanks for your attention.

[pierremgi 4850]

(Last sentence apart,) there is no big change about the previous post and this remaining bug.

 

1. There is probably an FSM which is too clever. As leader, if you order a move for all units... there is no problem if these units are not too much scattered. If it's the case, weird things begin. Some units will try to rejoin a sub-Team leader (4?) before obeying to the leader.

That's seems clever? Absolutely not. That ruins whole interest for a coordinated pincer attack. Or, you have to order a move unit by unit.

2. If your sub-TL is unconscious, forget half of your units. They attends at the deathbed.

3. If the JIP choose a sub-TL, try with marksman, all units will follow him instead of the ordered move.

 

 

[pierremgi 4850]

OK, some news:

I modified the title.

This bug seems to be specific to Vanilla 8 unit weapons squads (BLU,RED,GREEN). I tested with 8 unit recon squads or Western Sahara 8 unit squad and I didn't see that.

 

So, I can affirm, in vanilla, if you play leader of "weapons squad" (any side, any faction):

- orders on AIs are valid til nbr 4 (marksman by default but you can change it) is unconscious or even played by a 2nd player;

- in such cases, a whole group move order (all units selected, even nbr 4) leads to a regroup of all AIs on nbr4 position;

- the way for moving AIs to a position ordered by leader is to move nbr4 independently.

 

Seems related to my previous post. Unconscious nbr4 AI or played nbr4 makes FSMs ruin move orders for whole group , for a very old reason. In other words, whole group move orders can be broken by nbr4 status (played or unconscious AI).

I didn't dig on all squads in mods. I don't have any clue about why some groups of 8 are working fine but these weapons squads not.

I add this remark on my old ticket assigned to... none.

See video above (at this time I didn't suspect specific issue for nbr4 unit).