The Iraq Thread

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STGN @ Mar. 05 2003,14:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The to first is from the tv station which can be yoused for comonication I think is understandbel to set shouch an instalation out of worke.<span id='postcolor'>

It was not an effort of taking down communications. The Yugoslavs got an ultimatum to broadcast one hour of US television per day or the TV stations would be bombed. The Serbs replied: Sure no problem, if you show one hour of Serbian television on US television. They got bombed. This is actually still being investigated as a possible war crime by the Hague tribunal since it was the deliberate targeting of civilans.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thrid I don't know what is and there for wohnt coment.<span id='postcolor'>

It's a thermal heating plant.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fourth looks like a picture from WW2.<span id='postcolor'>

Bah, you are right. Sorry posted the wrong picture   That is indeed from WW2.

This was the picture I meant to show (electrical powerplant)

And this one (residential building)

Iraq is going to be much worse.

[DarkLight 0]

The thing that makes me laugh the most is that there are about 8 Saddams out there (can't remember the exact amount but 8 is pretty close). What are you gonna do? Hunt every single one of them down? Hold on, let me guess, the REAL Saddam is probable hiding in some other country!!! So let's bomb them next!!!

You'll never capture him, it's like good ol' Bin Laden, where is the guy? Hell, we don't know, we bombed and bombed and bombed and bombed. And the man is still alive! Now the problem is, there's only 1 Bin Laden out there but there are about 8 Saddams out there. When will you know that you've killed the right guy? You'll probable never get any of them.

Where is the real Saddam right now? Who knows for sure? What if the US invades Iraq and Saddam is able to escape? (no doubt about it this will happen) Do you think he'll want revenge? Maybe he'll ask some terrorist group to help him in his battle against the West.

But i guess good ol' Bush doesn't give a damn, after all, that would be another great reason to start another war, right?

And what about all the Iraqi people who are scared and who leave their country? As someone already mentioned, will you fly them to America? After all, we didn't start this war, why should we face the consequences (sp?)?

I can feel that some nasty things are gonna happen, people are blind now, but they'll wish that this war never started when the bad stuff starts to happen.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"I'm increasingly optimistic that if it comes to a vote, we will be able to make a case that will persuade most of the members of the Security Council to vote for the resolution," Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday.

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CNN:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BREAKING NEWS France, Russia and Germany say they will not allow U.N. resolution that clears path for war with Iraq. Details soon. <span id='postcolor'>

LOL. The word hubris comes to mind

In some ways I wonder what the Bush regime are doing, if they are paying any attention at all to what is happening in the world. They were also 'certain' that a deal with Turkey would go through.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Mar. 05 2003,15:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing that makes me laugh the most is that there are about 8 Saddams out there (can't remember the exact amount but 8 is pretty close).  What are you gonna do?  Hunt every single one of them down?  Hold on, let me guess, the REAL Saddam is probable hiding in some other country!!!  So let's bomb them next!!!

You'll never capture him, it's like good ol' Bin Laden, where is the guy?  Hell, we don't know, we bombed and bombed and bombed and bombed.  And the man is still alive!  Now the problem is, there's only 1 Bin Laden out there but there are about 8 Saddams out there.  When will you know that you've killed the right guy?  You'll probable never get any of them.

Where is the real Saddam right now?  Who knows for sure?  What if the US invades Iraq and Saddam is able to escape?  (no doubt about it this will happen)  Do you think he'll want revenge?  Maybe he'll ask some terrorist group to help him in his battle against the West.

But i guess good ol' Bush doesn't give a damn, after all, that would be another great reason to start another war, right?

And what about all the Iraqi people who are scared and who leave their country?  As someone already mentioned, will you fly them to America?  After all, we didn't start this war, why should we face the consequences (sp?)?

I can feel that some nasty things are gonna happen, people are blind now, but they'll wish that this war never started when the bad stuff starts to happen.<span id='postcolor'>

well when saddam is gone(even to another contry) he wound't have the same power he had before. And if he starts messing around whit terroist then they will die too it will just be sooner. Most of the Iraqis that leave the contry will problery go to Turky and the US will suply the ones that stays behind whit foods droppings from the sky. Well the Iraqies leve in a contry which is controled by a ditator which has to be removed it would be best if the Iragies did it but since they can't we(not american) have to do it.

The last part sounds like a fread.

STGN

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STGN @ Mar. 05 2003,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the US will suply the ones that stays behind whit foods droppings from the sky.<span id='postcolor'>

the food rations of the same colors as the USAF's bomblets .. yeaaaahh if you want ....

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Most of the Iraqis that leave the contry will problery go to Turky and the US will suply the ones that stays behind whit foods droppings from the sky.<span id='postcolor'>

Hate to disapoint you but US and UN's combined effort is not enough to prevent a wide scale famine.

[andy_aws 0]

Ok let's be honest then...at least IMO.

1. We will bomb the crap out of them.

2. We will remove the current government.

3. The new government most likely will be our 'puppet'.

4. No one can or will do anything to stop us.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (andy_aws @ Mar. 04 2003,19:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok let's be honest then...at least IMO.

1. We will bomb the crap out of them.

2. We will remove the current government.

3. The new government most likely will be our 'puppet'.

4. No one can or will do anything to stop us.

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Actually this probable is what's gonna happen

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Most of the Iraqis that leave the contry will problery go to Turky<span id='postcolor'>

Oh I must be totally wrong then. Turkey has already set up defensive measures at their borders. They are meant for several goals:

1. Prevent Iraq from invading Turkey ( I guess you ALL can estimate the risk of such an  action. It is not present.)

2. Prevent Kurds from fleeing into turkey. (Well, you know the Kurds-Turks problem, don´t you ? )

3. Prevent Iraqi civilians from entering turkey ( Turkey will never admit that but that´s infact a reason for the massive troop gathering at their border.

So turkey is a no-no country for refugees.

In fact the kurds in northern Iraq fear that turkey will try to annex their territory for the oil - resources located there.

Ah yes and the democratic, justice sword slinging US just announced to boost the democratic deciding process in turkey with a cut of money. Hell yeah ! This is what it should be like :

money = justice = freedom = democracy  

It´s disgusting what the US administration does right now and it´s disgusting to see that US people don´t even see what is done to their well honored ideals. Your own government sells them to achieve their war-goal.

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, back at home, here's some news regarding current situation.

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/2021007/detail.html

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Film star Harrison Ford has become the latest celebrity to say that he's not a fan of President George W. Bush.

The New York Daily News cleared up conflicting reports of the "Air Force One" president's stance on the potential war with Iraq. The paper said numerous reports found Ford opposing the antiwar letter to Bush in December from the celebrity group Artists United to Win Without War.

Speaking through his manager Patricia McQueeney, Ford said his feelings are "exactly the opposite" of what's been reported. She told the Daily News that Ford was "appalled by the idea" that anyone would think he supports a war with Iraq.

That's not to say that he doesn't want Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein out of power. In fact, he wants Bush out of power, too.

"What I'm for is a regime change on both sides," Ford told the Daily News through McQueeney.

Ford next stars as a LAPD detective in the action comedy-drama "Hollywood Homicide."<span id='postcolor'>

and more insensitivity.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2019497/detail.html

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ANAHEIM, Calif. -- The FBI said Tuesday it has opened a preliminary investigation into the brutal beating of an 18-year-old Arab American in Yorba Linda by a mob that allegedly shouted white supremacist slogans.

The investigation was called for by a coalition of civil rights and religious groups that cited the attack among a series of alleged hate crimes in California and New Jersey.

"We believe this recent increase in attacks on American Muslims is a direct result of the barrage of pro-war and anti-Islam rhetoric coming from right-wing and evangelical leaders," said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a member of the coalition.

Laura Bosley, an FBI spokeswoman, said the agency is working with police to determine if the Yorba Linda case was a hate crime.

"We are taking these allegations seriously," she said. "There has been an increase in hate crimes against Muslim Americans since Sept. 11. Hundreds of investigations have been initiated."

Among the incidents cited by the coalition was the Feb. 22 beating of Rashid Alam. Police said he was assaulted in the Orange County city by as many as 20 teens, some of whom wielded bats, golf clubs and beer bottles.

"I feel it's my fault," said his father, Ahmed Alam, who worries his son's Arabic name put him in harm's way.

"They were stomping on my brother's head with their feet. They were stabbing him with screwdriver's. They called him camel jockey. They just kept screaming 'white power, white power,'" said his brother Mohammed Alam.

"There's been an ongoing feud between these two groups for at least six months," said Jack Conklin, of the Yorba Linda Police Department.

Police said they will meet with the FBI on Wednesday to discuss the case. Yorba Linda is patrolled under contract by the Brea Police Department.

"The Brea police are deeply concerned and outraged about what happened to Rashid," said police Sgt. Jack Conklin, adding that the department considers the incident to be a hate crime.

Witnesses said attackers yelled "white power" as they beat Alam, who suffered a broken jaw and other facial injuries that required doctors to place two metal plates in his cheeks. The teen is in extreme pain and having trouble eating and drinking, said his father, Ahmed Alam, who owns an Arabic- and English-language newspaper.

The father said he had felt like he was living the American dream until his children began complaining about discriminatory treatment by classmates and asked if they could change their name to something that sounded less Middle Eastern.

"I had a good job, a nice house and a friendly neighborhood," Ahmed Alam said. "I never thought there would be a day when I almost lost one of my children ... All I want is for my son to be better again."

The coalition also said that in Irvington, N.J., a Muslim father of six was assaulted Feb. 21 by two men who accused him of being a terrorist. The man was allegedly knocked to the ground and kicked, suffering injuries to his head and stomach.

Elsewhere in California, a Muslim woman in Santa Clara wearing Islamic attire was assaulted Feb. 28 in the laundry room of her apartment complex, the coalition said. She was punched in the face and her laundry was stabbed with a sharp object.

In the Yorba Linda incident, police have arrested two teenagers, who were not identified. They allegedly had minor roles in the attack and were arrested for investigation of misdemeanor assault. Four others have been identified but not yet arrested.

Investigators believe the confrontation was set up to settle a dispute between rival groups. Police do not know what initiated the clash and said there was no evidence of racial epithets being used in the previous disputes.

The victim's parents and Muslim leaders said Monday that police had moved too slowly in making arrests and provided little information to the family.

Brea police defended their investigation, saying there were many people involved in the melee and it has taken time to identify potential suspects. Individuals in the groups are trying to protect other members, so keeping information confidential has aided the investigation, authorities said.

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these are things that is worrying the long-term effect if current situation drags on. we have insensitive law makers (state level) and more hate crimes rising.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are other ways to help people besides using weapons? A cease fire is no excuse to NOT help the people you just blasted to bits and left under the control of a pretty fubared dictator.<span id='postcolor'>

So what were we going to do? Sanction them? Protest?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You're not goinig to see the carpet bombing of Baghdad. <span id='postcolor'>

Oh yes you will. Your so called "strategic targets" are not always military targets, but telephone infrastructure (already bombed this weekend), water infrastructure, power plants and electricity system, roads and bunks that are located within bigger towns and are in populized areas. <span id='postcolor'>

Baslchoiw, carpet bombing is a tactic from world war 2 when a force would get lots of bombers in a formation and have them all drop their bombs in an area in an effort to take out a single target. We don't do this anymore. Now we use precision weapons that we've spent billions of dollars developing to strike what we want instead of taking out an entire area code. Yes, the bombs aren't perfect, but we're not carpet bombing. We're putting a lot of effort into precision strikes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing that makes me laugh the most is that there are about 8 Saddams out there (can't remember the exact amount but 8 is pretty close). What are you gonna do? Hunt every single one of them down? Hold on, let me guess, the REAL Saddam is probable hiding in some other country!!! So let's bomb them next!!!<span id='postcolor'>

Or we'll just take the government out of power and set up a new one. He can't do much if nobody follows or listens to him.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You'll never capture him, it's like good ol' Bin Laden, where is the guy? Hell, we don't know, we bombed and bombed and bombed and bombed. And the man is still alive! Now the problem is, there's only 1 Bin Laden out there but there are about 8 Saddams out there. When will you know that you've killed the right guy? You'll probable never get any of them.<span id='postcolor'>

Bin laden and Saddam are two completely different issues. If we take out the current Iraqi government, we take out Saddam. Bin Laden is different.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where is the real Saddam right now? Who knows for sure? What if the US invades Iraq and Saddam is able to escape?<span id='postcolor'>

Under the table? I doubt he'd escape. Most countrys wouldn't let him in.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And what about all the Iraqi people who are scared and who leave their country? As someone already mentioned, will you fly them to America? After all, we didn't start this war, why should we face the consequences (sp?)?<span id='postcolor'>

Turkeys planning on accepting refugees I think.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can feel that some nasty things are gonna happen, people are blind now, but they'll wish that this war never started when the bad stuff starts to happen.<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, but lets wait 10 years when "bad stuff" starts to happen because we didn't take out Saddam. Or no, lets just ask people who have to deal with the "bad stuff" Saddam is doing to their family right now. Oh, thats right, you don't care. I guess it has to happen to you personally first.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the food rations of the same colors as the USAF's bomblets .. yeaaaahh if you want ....<span id='postcolor'>

Just like we're giving food to Afghanistan as we speak.

We'll kill the Iraqi military with cholesterol!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3. Prevent Iraqi civilians from entering turkey ( Turkey will never admit that but that´s infact a reason for the massive troop gathering at their border.<span id='postcolor'>

Do you have some sort of source to back this up?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So turkey is a no-no country for refugees. <span id='postcolor'>

Well, at least the Kurds.

[Longinius 1]

"So what were we going to do? Sanction them? Protest?"

Humanitarian aid? Training and sponsoring of rebellious groups? Assassination? Its not like America never did any of those before, with some success I might add.

[Balschoiw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you have some sort of source to back this up?<span id='postcolor'>

sure.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">January 25, 2003: KDP units have set up new anti-aircraft gun positions along the Iraqi-Turkish border. A subsequent report said the AAA guns were set up to protect KDP control points. One of the AAA gun sites is near a mobile bridge set up by the Turkish Army over the Hezil River. This strongly suggests close cooperation between Turkey and the KDP. Cooperation for what? Action against Iraq comes to mind, but also action to stop a wave of refugees from Iraq heading north into Turkey. That's also a possibility. Turk sources also report new Turkish military activity at the Bamerni airstrip inside northern Iraq.

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Enough source ?

[FSPilot 0]

They're coming by plane now?

[Balschoiw 0]

do I really have to explain the versatile useage of mounted and unmounted AA guns to you FS ?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 05 2003,21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They're coming by plane now? <span id='postcolor'>

One of the most effective pieces of anti tank artillery in World War II was the Flak 88. It was an anti aircraft gun that made mangled wreckage of allied tanks.

And hell... you've played Flashpoint, right? Never used a ZSU to mow down infantry? Ever?

It's easy to set up dual purpose installations, and something that can shoot a plane down certainly can shoot up a truck of refugees headed for the border.

[Jinef 2]

Yes please.

I know noooothing.

Although i technically should seeing as it's in my job description but enough about me.

What are the pros and cons of using mounted and unmounted AA gun things?

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 06 2003,03:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And hell... you've played Flashpoint, right? Never used a ZSU to mow down infantry? Ever? <span id='postcolor'>

Frankly those things give me goosebumps.

I understand it's easy to use AAA on infantry (or people, in this instance). But if they didn't want refugees they'd set up MG posts and stop them at the border. AAA is more expensive and I doubt Iraq's non-existant air force would even get that far if they did try to strike Turkey for some odd reason.

Yes, they could use AAA on infantry, but why not go cheap and set up machine guns with barbed wire?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 05 2003,22:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 06 2003,03:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And hell... you've played Flashpoint, right?  Never used a ZSU  to mow down infantry? Ever? <span id='postcolor'>

Frankly those things give me goosebumps.  

I understand it's easy to use AAA on infantry (or people, in this instance).  But if they didn't want refugees they'd set up MG posts and stop them at the border.  AAA is more expensive and I doubt Iraq's non-existant air force would even get that far if they did try to strike Turkey for some odd reason.

Yes, they could use AAA on infantry, but why not go cheap and set up machine guns with barbed wire?<span id='postcolor'>

Because if you set up barbed wire and machine gun nests, then you are OBVIOUSLY planning on sealing your border and you look like a bad guy. But if you set up 'air defence' then there is a valid reason to have those guns there, and you get the added benefit of protecting your border from refugees without being totally obvious about it.

[FSPilot 0]

Oh, so what will they be when they mow down innocent civilian refugees with AA cannons?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 05 2003,22:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, so what will they be when they mow down innocent civilian refugees with AA cannons?<span id='postcolor'>

Defending the Mother/Fatherland.

And nothing says they will mow them down. It just gives them the option to do so. I suspect a lot of refugees will be turned back under threat of force and the refugees wont risk it. It's not the actual use of violence, it's the threat of violence.

Hell, I will be the first to admit that if it wasnt for the US mobilisation in the Gulf, Iraq wouldnt be cooperating with UNMOVIC. Thing is, I think it's pretty obvious that this isnt just saber rattling and the Bush administration wants a war.

Just as a thought, instead of saying 'The USA' from now on, lets say 'The Bush Administration'. Why? Because I think Bush is a twit, but I dont hold those feelings in the least for the average citizen of the USA.

[WhoCares 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 05 2003,20:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><snip>

Baslchoiw, carpet bombing is a tactic from world war 2 when a force would get lots of bombers in a formation and have them all drop their bombs in an area in an effort to take out a single target.  We don't do this anymore.  Now we use precision weapons that we've spent billions of dollars developing to strike what we want instead of taking out an entire area code.  Yes, the bombs aren't perfect, but we're not carpet bombing.  We're putting a lot of effort into precision strikes.

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Under the table?  I doubt he'd escape.  Most countrys wouldn't let him in.

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Ok, but lets wait 10 years when "bad stuff" starts to happen because we didn't take out Saddam.  Or no, lets just ask people who have to deal with the "bad stuff" Saddam is doing to their family right now.  Oh, thats right, you don't care.  I guess it has to happen to you personally first.<span id='postcolor'>

About carpet bombing, would you explain me, why the USA has transferred a dozent or more B52 to a british airbase just this week? Those planes are not really known for their precision bombing, at least in Afghanistan you could see how they laid carpets over suspected enemy positions...

Where he finds refugee? I think we had the same discussion with Ibn Laden.

But the question is also whether we should handle the bad stuff with a bad solution...

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 05 2003,17:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just as a thought, instead of saying 'The USA' from now on, lets say 'The Bush Administration'. Why? Because I think Bush is a twit, but I dont hold those feelings in the least for the average citizen of the USA. <span id='postcolor'>

Good idea.

The Bush Administration -> T.B.A.

Hmmmmm it's March 5th, when is this going to go down finally.

[Akira 0]

About the US using air power when launching their attack...

I saw an article (can't find it now) that said that the US was working on a strategy that was "very very different" from GW1, the plan being that the first 48 hours would see massive air attacks with 3,000+ "precise" munitions. This would quickly be followed up by ground troops moving in.

EDIT: US Plan: Bomb, Bomb, Bomb

[FSPilot 0]

OK, I understand a lot of people are afraid of Baghdad being bombed into a large crater. That's understandable but I don't think it's going to happen. What we use today is nothign like "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing was like throwing a handful of pebbles at the target, hoping a few of them would hit where you wanted. What we do today is put guidance fins and computers on our pebbles, then use GPS or lasers and sometimes radar to guide the pebbles into their target. This way we can use 1 pebble delivered by 1 plane to take out a factory instead of 1,000 pebbles delivered by 100 planes to take out the general area of the factory.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About carpet bombing, would you explain me, why the USA has transferred a dozent or more B52 to a british airbase just this week? Those planes are not really known for their precision bombing, at least in Afghanistan you could see how they laid carpets over suspected enemy positions...<span id='postcolor'>

Yes and no. If you're trying to tell me dropping lots of bombs is carpet bombing, you're wrong. Carpet bombing is lots of bombers, dropping tons and tons of bombs in the general area of what they want dead. B-52s these days have two options. They can drop precision weapons including cruise missiles, or they can drop a large payload on a target. But it's not carpet bombing since, in comparison, it's not a lot of bombs. I highly doubt they'd use non-precision weapons where civilians are near.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where he finds refugee? I think we had the same discussion with Ibn Laden.<span id='postcolor'>

Can you restate that please? I'm not trying to pick on you but I just don't understand what you're saying.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But the question is also whether we should handle the bad stuff with a bad solution...<span id='postcolor'>

But it's not a bad solution. Diplomacy isn't a solution. Sanctions arent a solution. The only thing Saddam understands is brute force.