*boom* m109 for download @ ofp.info

[Col.Saber 0]

Thanks Forrestal. it's appreciated!

Anyway it's done, nothing that can be done about this.

We have what we want. And that is that the public knows it  is stolen.

I myself found the reaction from some people stunning the least.. they liked this allready... knowing this is a alpha release from months ago. The official DKM paladin has been in further development all these months.. so expect real fireworks when that comes out.

N e way the case is closed as far as i'm concerned.

regards,

Saber

[Gen.Carnage 0]

excuse my extravagant reaction to this news, anyone who seriously builds models and skins them knows how timeconsuming and painstaking work it is to make something that looks decent.

Denoir is right, this should be dealt with in private, but since the addon has been released, its no longer a private matter.

They might have gotten away with it if A- they asked permission for the use of the adats, and B they would at least have used different turret skins (those are a complete giveaway)

That they mention DKM on the polish site (all i can make out are DKM and ADATS) icredits them, but still...

Anyone who wants to edit one of our addons can get permission, we are not that difficult to deal with, all we ask is to have a look at their 'final' product before it is released to the public.

We want this so we can make sure there won't be any mega ugly looking addons released with our name attached to it.

Also, people who want to edit our models might do a better job than us, in which case we would also like to put the addon in particular up on our own site, with credit to the editor ofcourse.

This M109 addon is not looking too bad luckily, but its not the M109A6 Paladin!

as i can see it, its the M109A4 or so, which is not called paladin. The paladin can be recognised by the longer gun, the extended turret and hydraulic gun lock mechanism.

as Saber said, its done now, matter closed.

[dkraver 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col.Saber @ Nov. 19 2002,21:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The official DKM paladin has been in further development all these months.. so expect real fireworks when that comes out.<span id='postcolor'>

Since the one that came out (which sadly was stolen) was a beta of your (DKM) work, but still a pretty good working model, though it need some things adressed, have been in further development for moths as you say. When can we expect to see the final release, and yeah i know when its done, but is there a possible ETA on it??

Also the things that are mentioned in the earlier post in this topic. Have these things been looked into and fixed or is it something you will look at after it have been posted here???

[Gen.Carnage 0]

our biggest problem with this addon is still the firing system, but we have discovered a little new feature that will make things a lot better.

sorry cant give an ETA yet... :/

making a decent standalone artillery system is proving to be the most difficult of all addon types.

[Jester983 0]

I had an idea for modelers. Maybe you already do this but im not sure.

To help prevent (or try to prevent) theft of addons why dont you put a little symbol/name/something that describes you in a place that these thief's wouldnt probably see if they didnt look carefully. Then if you did know that your addon was stolen then you could take screen shots of that little symbol or whatever.

I hope that gives you an idea maybe.

Sorry to hear about this.

[Chronicles 0]

I think there is too much tension in this topic because of the addon theft

So i have decided to cool down the atmosphere with this picture of a M109 from the WTD in Meppen, Germany

**EDIT**

As the pic is over 100ko , check it at this link

http://www.panzerbaer.de/monat_0210.htm

big , isnt it ?

[VXR 9]

about the symbol, if you just make some shots of your progress and if somone steals it you can show people the shots of your progress on it

[Eviscerator 0]

thats some kind of live fire tester without actually firing the shells 24km into the nearest town or something, right?

[Rastavovich 0]

Well the title under the pic says it is a silencer.

[Stag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rastavovich @ Nov. 19 2002,12:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well the title under the pic says it is a silencer.<span id='postcolor'>

Are you sure? That kit would be a sitting duck for counter-battery radar.

Thinking about it, it would be for life fire training; nice to be able to spend a few thousand without having a full volume artillery barriage scaring the bejeezus out of the locals.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chronicles @ Nov. 20 2002,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.panzerbaer.de/monat_0210.htm

big , isnt it ?<span id='postcolor'>

Now the designer of that thing must had a real bad case of penis envy

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well the title under the pic says it is a silencer. <span id='postcolor'>

"Gee Captain, I'can't hear it, but what is that thing west of Japan?"

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 20 2002,11:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chronicles @ Nov. 20 2002,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.panzerbaer.de/monat_0210.htm

big , isnt it ?<span id='postcolor'>

Now the designer of that thing must had a real bad case of penis envy

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well the title under the pic says it is a silencer. <span id='postcolor'>

"Gee Captain, I'can't hear it, but what is that thing west of Japan?"<span id='postcolor'>

a huge nato camo-ed penis ?

[vade_101 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a huge nato camo-ed penis ? <span id='postcolor'>

I bet saddam is wetting himself with fear now

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gen.Carnage @ Nov. 20 2002,00:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">our biggest problem with this addon is still the firing system, but we have discovered a little new feature that will make things a lot better.

sorry cant give an ETA yet... :/

making a decent standalone artillery system is proving to be the most difficult of all addon types.<span id='postcolor'>

If you can PLEASE allow direct fire capability and lower the damage levels of the rounds, that way we don't just get this big monster tank that destroys any tank and vast numbers of infantry with just one shot (very unrealistic). If the gun could be lowered more then also the coaxial cannon could be used.

Anyways, I hope you use this stolen addon release as a type of beta-test and incorporate some of the improvements we've mentioned if DKM hasn't already.

Keep up the great work!

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Gen.Carnage 0]

First of all; this is not a DKM addon as it has been released by hawk.

our paladin allways was capable of direct fire, our early testversion had about the same enormous firepower.

We toned the indirect hitdamage down a lot since then.

But in direct fire mode, this gun will blow away any MBT with a single direct hit.

I think nobody will complain about that since it's one of the most powerfull guns that ofp will likely see in landvehicles. (there are even bigger self propelled guns, but those normally cannot use direct fire)

to give you an indication: the 155mm shells weigh 45-50 kg. (110 lbs or so) the muzzle velocity is about the same as that of the abrams 120 mm gun. It normally does not use armor piercing shells, but it CAN fire them, as well as rocket assisted, and guided shells.

[Stag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gen.Carnage @ Nov. 19 2002,20:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">to give you an indication: the 155mm shells weigh 45-50 kg. (110 lbs or so) the muzzle velocity is about the same as that of the abrams 120 mm gun. It normally does not use armor piercing shells, but it CAN fire them, as well as rocket assisted, and guided shells.<span id='postcolor'>

Wouldn't it be better to differentiate between HE, AP, AP/AT sub-munition, RAP and CLGP?

And if your Paladin is based on the ADATS base, Can you please tone down the armour to more realistic values?

As for Hawk's addon. it's crap, and I spent more words than it's worth to point that out.

[advocatexxx 0]

I really do not think the M109 can lower its cannon 0 degrees to the horizontal plane.

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Nov. 20 2002,22:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really do not think the M109 can lower its cannon 0 degrees to the horizontal plane.<span id='postcolor'>

It has a direct-fire scope mounted at the base of the cannon (in addition to the normal rotating rooftop scope on the top of the turret) so I assume that it should be able to do direct fire.

The field manual for it also talks about using direct fire in defense as well.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Gen.Carnage 0]

The M109A6 Paladin is the latest advancement in 155mm self-propelled artillery. The system enhances previous versions of the M109 by implementing onboard navigational and automatic fire control systems. Paladin has both a Kevlar-lined chassis and a pressurized crew compartment to guard against ballistic, nuclear, biological, and chemical threats.

The Paladin M109A6 howitzer is the fourth product improvement to the original M109 self-propelled (SP) howitzer. It features improvements in the areas of survivability; reliability, availability, and maintainability (RAM); responsiveness; and terminal effects. The M109A6 is an armored, full tracked howitzer carrying 37 complete conventional rounds and two Copperhead projectiles. It is operated by a crew of four. It is designed with a new turret structure that facilitates integration of the various turret improvements and vulnerability reduction measures. It improves overall crew compartment layout and space. The howitzer can travel at a maximum speed of 38 miles per hour and has a maximum cruising range of 186 miles.

The M109A6 is the most technologically advanced cannon in the Army inventory. This weapon has a 4 man crew, and weights approximately 62,000 lbs/32 tons, and has a cruising range of 186 miles, Max speed is 35 MPH, It has a fuel capacity of 133 gals. The Paladin can operate independently, from on the move, it can receive a fire mission, compute firing data, select and take up its firing position, automatically unlock and point its cannon, fire and move out - all with no external technical assistance. Firing the first round from the move in under 60 seconds, a "shoot and scoot" capability protects the crew from counterbattery fire. The M109A6 Paladin is capable of firing up to four rounds per minute to ranges of 30 kilometers. The Paladin features increased survivability characteristics such as day/night operability, NBC protection with climate control and secure voice and digital communications. The crew remains in the vehicle throughout the mission.

The Paladin is designed to accept new technologies increasing firing range, rate of fire, and accuracy. TACOM-ARDEC, in order to maintain the state-of-the-art in artillery technologies, is continuing to develop enhancements adaptable to Paladin, such as a 52 caliber gun, Modular Artillery Charge System (MACS), and a laser ignition system.

The Paladin is an example of equipment bridging the gap between current systems and those planned for the future. It dramatically increases the responsiveness, survivability and flexibility of self-propelled cannon artillery. Adding advanced technology to a 1950s chassis, the Paladin begins a revolution in the way the field artillery fights. Using computers, the Paladin can determine its own position on the ground and compute its own firing data. Single-channel ground-air radios permit voice and digital communication with the platoon's operation center and with other howitzers in the platoon.

The most significant operational differences between the M109A6 howitzer and prior M109 series howitzers are the Paladin's ability to operate over a widely dispersed area and to move and emplace using the Paladin technology. The Paladin can move and position within an assigned position area, process technical firing data, and fire a mission without relying on aiming circles and wire lines. Target acquisition and engagement parameters (tactical fire control) are provided by the Paladin platoon's battle command facility, the platoon operations center (POC). The automatic fire control system (AFCS) and single-channel ground and airborne radio system (SINCGARS) frequency modulation (FM) radios change the current requirements for surveyed firing points, aiming circles, and land lines.

In the past, communications wire had to be manually strung between the vehicles and the fire-control center. Without the need for wire communications, the Paladin can change position more frequently, an advantage against enemy fire. Such advancements give new meaning to the artillery's ability to move, shoot and communicate. The Paladin's technology reduces the time soldiers are vulnerable to enemy fire. Every time you fire a round, the enemy can zero in on your position and fire back. If you take too long to get out of there, you're probably going to get killed.

In the past, it would take about 20 minutes to prepare a firing position and another 15 to 20 to displace. It was very manpower-intensive to emplace the battery before. A five-man crew served each of the six howitzers in the battery. Surveyers calculated the battery's location, and crew members ran communicaitons wire by hand. The gun sections each had a guy who would run the wire to the fire-direction center, and when it was time to displace, he would have to go down to the fire-direction center, unhook the wire and roll it up. It didn't take soldiers long to figure out that that's not a good way to do business if you want to stay alive.

New technology allows cutting that wire link from the fire direction center, which limited how far one could disperse the howitzers on the battlefield.

Technology also increases speed. The Paladin's top speed of 38 mph makes it slightly faster than the M-109A3. The Army beefed up the engine and transmission, and installed some new technologies -- an on-board fire control system, on-board position-navigation system, radios. There is also improved ballistic protection on the howitzer and on-board prognostics and diagnostics to help diagnose when there is a problem.

The Paladin/FAASV program entails a major product improvement and re-engineering effort - begun in 1979 - to upgrade the U.S. Army's primary self-propelled long-range howitzer, designated the M109 series. Range, lethality, reliability, speed and mobility were all limitations of this 1950's design, as was the lack of onboard navigation/location and nuclear, biological and chemical protection for the crew. The new Paladin closes the technology gap in response to the requirements of the U.S. Army Soldier. These "shoot and scoot" requirements, were translated into engineering requirements and specifications that updated or replaced every subsystem of the vehicle.

source:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m109a6.htm

[-76-Chavez 0]

I´d prefer the Panzerhaubitze 2000 though as a reliable source said to me the Paladin is crap

[Gen.Carnage 0]

PZH2000 has stabilized gun and autloader, that makes it far more mobile than any M109 will ever be, and mobility is survival.