Raven shield demo

[USMC Sniper 0]

I think that graphics arent everything, sound always counts, gameplay counts a LOT, everything counts. I thought that the graphics in Ghost Recon were bad actually, and I was only countering what Balschoiw said. One more thing, graphics adds to gamplay and immersiveness, so does sound. If Raven Shield had say the graphics of OFP 1.46, I think the game would be worse, It wouldnt feel as immersive as it does now. Maybe ppl like you need to realize that graphics do add a lot to gameplay, sure they arent everything, but then again some eye-candy doesnt hurt now does it?

[bn880 5]

OKay, so I played quite alot yesterday... I had fun actually but also noticed something strange.

I have trouble putting words to what I don't like so I'll try to explain iun general.

To start, I was always an R6 nut, the time I spend on OFP now is about equal to what I spent on R6 before.

Now I feel like there is something missing in the RvS demo, it's not as crisp, clean, and precise as R6 used to be. Is it just me? Everything is faded out, dark, gloomy. Aiming is more questionable, sounds seem a bit off to me. When it comes to dying... "did I die? I guess so, I wonder from what". Seems like when you get hit there is little effect, bullets flying nearby? How can you tell unless they hit and spark near you...

Ok i go prone, wtf, I can't get up and run around the corner when I see a frag coming in... like I'm 80 years old and can't get up.

Oh boy, close quarters fighting should be clean, obvious, and precise... there is something a bit off with this Unreal Demo. Still maybe I'm imagining it?

[USMC Sniper 0]

BN880, I also feel that way. It jsut doesnt seem like its so precise, I dont know how to explain it, sort of how the Chinese channel (36 on Rogers Cable) looks "worse" than normal programming, dont why, just doesnt look like the ppl are acting. Same goes here, it does look a bit gloomy, the game looks sort of strange, not as clean and precise.  

I think they should add the zings when the bullets fly by you, and more than a subtle grunt when you get shot, say the screen turns red for a second or your character is pushed back with the gun lowered so you cant fire for a second.

I actually think that it is the visible gun that makes it look diffferent from R6 and Rogue Spear, and the Unreal Warfare engine looks great, but a bit, how should I put this, worn, not by age, but by the way everything looks a bit fuzzy.

[bn880 5]

For those of you who want to play with HB off, Primary silencers off, radar off, virtually no game timers, and team vs team join my dedicated server. (well if the ping is good)

It's listed as "Bastige Server" or "Bastige Server ###"... I will try and keep it running during the day, although RvS servers crash alot.

[eh remraf 0]

Remember, this is just a beta. Though, since they are using the UT2k3 engine, it would be quite easy to modify the game. Iron sights would be possibly by simply changing the placement of the gun ala Infiltration.

Physics engine is good. Nice implementation of Karma into the models. Also, I noticed some weird sound distortion in the game. It was only a one time recurring thing after a bunch of direct sound problems. Hard to describe but whenever I would move from one elevation to another it would sound as though someone was putting a guitar up next to amp.

I've also noticed the lack of lethality in silenced weapons. The best example is in the M16 with surpressor. It normally takes 3 bursts just to kill anyone with it. That is unless you get a head shot with it.

As for dark and gloomy maps, these are just 2 of many. If you look at the screenshots of the game, there is many other levels. One that caught my eye was an airport.

Also, the feel of the game really depends on who your playing with. It's extremely fun when you get about 6 guys on TS and you work together clearing out a level. Covering fire, vectors, so on so forth.

Well, just my .02

[USMC Sniper 0]

I wish they included that Brazil map, I really loved the look of that. They should releases a small pack for the demo with some more weapons, such as the m60 and ak47.

[PitViper 0]

not bad. it's early so I will give it time. I think AA is much better than Ravenshield in its current form.

[bn880 5]

Ok, I give up hosting the RvS "Bastige Server", it crashes too often...(20min) maybe once I get some software to restart it I'll keep it on, otherwise it will be on when me and my friends are playing so anyone can join then.

[DracoPaladore 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Nov. 16 2002,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Multiplayer in Ravenshield isn't even close to how good multiplayer is in Resistance. Nothing beats co-op with a group of your buddies in OFP... NOTHING...

I don't think i said I 'hated' it but I may be wrong. Still, what is RS? Counter-Strike with 'realistic' weapons? Running around in the same building shooting people is boring. I love being able to shoot a BMP, assault a base, shoot up a convoy, then catch a chopper home when the sky gets dark.

Sorry you cant do that in Raven Shield! Maybe you can't do CQB in Raven Shield but I find that the OFP engine is much less limiting and the game itself is much more interesting.

I like 'thinking' games, not a game where whoever pumps the most bullets into the other guy wins....<span id='postcolor'>

I suggest you wait for the SP then. I'm not really one for MP type games like this myself. Just dosen't seem right since people take advantage of it.

CS with realistic weapons? Har, this is what CS was trying to mimick. Not the other way around.

[PitViper 0]

BTW, this doesn't feel like Rainbow 6.

[Chronicles 0]

Despite the known bugs (weird netcode on non dedicaced server , weapons sometime disapear from your hands so you cant defend your life , and some sounds looping problems...) this demo gives a good taste of what to expect from the full product.

But for me and my coop addiction, it is not a very interesting demo.

Now for the gameplay , if ironsight a la Infiltration were in , it would be perfect for me , but actually , it is just static weapon (good models tough) and old RS "easy-play" reticule system

The special effect are good in my opinion (i never saw a better looking night vision, it seems incredibly real)

My big problem with the MP demo is the target audience of the RS serie : the TDM and DM fans.

I played a lot games like Swat 3 and it was the masterpiece of COOP , then with OFP i find my game for COOP and big scale (until OFP , i was a Delta Force player for the big scales , and coop were awfull there)

So i will wait for the "maybe in January" SP Demo to have my final decision on this game , hoping that the AI is as good as the swat3 or the OFP one for what i expect of a game , single play or Coop play (and in this case Terrorist Hunt too)

Until that, i uninstalled the demo and i came back to mission editing in OFP

[eh remraf 0]

Wow, someone else who knows about Infiltration : ) lol

[fraggit 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Nov. 16 2002,14:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, this doesn't feel like Rainbow 6.<span id='postcolor'>

That's not good, or is it? What game does it feel like? I'd check for myself but my computer is too shitty to run it.

[eh remraf 0]

It all depends on who you play with. You get the R6 feel when you have some friends on RW and you play as a team. For the most part it's like a sped up version thats all about DM instead of teamwork. Still, we shouldn't judge the game based on this version. This is a VERY early build of the game. It would be like writing a final review on Doom3 using the leaked Alpha version.(Pretty cool btw but pretty useless in game department)

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I get the sound bug too- first time I had my headphones cranked (ouch). Sounded like Slayer was tuning up in my head lol

[eh remraf 0]

LOL Tex, I had my surround sound system turned way up. Thought my windows were going to break lol. So far, I haven't been able to replicate it but I noticed it started after getting a direct sound error on the prison level. Some error always occurs when I am on Green team and manage to get into the red spawn room. Usually all I have to do is press enter and get on with the game. Weird stuff going on in the room.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

The graphics are nice, but kind of pixellated and muddy, even at high resolutions.

[eh remraf 0]

Set all of the options to high. Then set your vid card to 4xAA or Quincux (Or higher if you have a Raddeon 9700) Also set your anisotropy up to 8. Game looks much better.

[eh remraf 0]

Also since it's a demo/beta, it's probably not shipping with all it's textures. I say they it's either has low or normal textures with the demo. All the screenshots on the main site look much better than this build.

I also doubt they will be taking full advantage of the engine. Currently, UT2k3 with everything set on high requires a 256MB card. When using the highest possibly textures, geometry and stuff set up, the game will average onscreen about 180mbs of textures. I'd be amazed if Ubi takes advantage of the engine cappabilities and add in some more eye candy for the R300/256MB, R350, and the GeForce FX (NV30).

[SpaceAlex 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Nov. 16 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the graphics are at least 5 times better than resistance's<span id='postcolor'>

Raven Shield graphic are great. It does look better than OFP when u play it, but it doesn't go as deep as OFP graphic goes. The thing is, you don't really see beautiful things in OFP. You only see bad things such as ugly models, a little washed-out textures (if FSAA and AA is off), bad weather effects and similar things. You don't see beautiful things such as new trees in Resistance (spruces really look nice in Res), sunsets, sunrises, colors, no limitations, the way vehicle wheels are animated and lots of other things. Sure, RS looks better when u play it, but are the graphic really better?

OFP models and everything else could look a lot better, but we don't have so powerful machines yet that could handle large environments and models with lots of poligons.

[USMC Sniper 0]

I surely do think they are better, and there are trees in the street level, for comparison. I really dont like tho that they have incuded the dark and gloomy maps here tho, i was hoping for something more bright.

[arkadeyevich 0]

Of course Raven Shield look better, but then it doesn't try to model an entire island either.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I finally found a decent server last night, and this game kicks some ass, when you play with the right folks on a good server. Ive found that I have a certain talent with the M14

[eh remraf 0]

I'll take you out any day with an M16 tex lol. Quite possibly the best sniping rifle in the game for Street level. Instead of one shot your hitting them with 3 lol : )

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I'm not sure that you can silence an M14 as well as the game does, but it sure is funny to watch guys running around with no idea where they are being hit with high power rounds from. I swear, as soon as I got into it, I just played til dawn.