The Forgotten Battles

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 22 2003,04:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What hits me first is how close the ties between the community and the developers are. Oh yeah, that and they actually tell their fans what they're working on  <span id='postcolor'>

The problem with telling everyone what you are doing is you end up with DNF Syndrome.

Or TF2 Syndrome.

All sorts of people slavering over a product that is more vapour than reality.

I like how BIS seems to handle things. Tell people as the games are at a point where you have a pretty solid release date. I mean, look at how much whining went on over the north american release of Resistance! And we are ytalking about a matter of weeks, not months. Now imagine telling people that your product will be out in 18 months, and 30 months later, it's still nowhere to be found.

[Tovarish 0]

For those who have IL-2 and are looking forward to the Dynamic Campaigns in FB, Look what I found! Dynamic Campaign Generator . Seems pretty decent, Just fired it up and started a campaign as an I-16 pilot 3 days after the start of the war

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Feb. 22 2003,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For those  who have IL-2 and are looking forward to the Dynamic Campaigns in FB, Look what I found! Dynamic Campaign Generator   . Seems pretty decent, Just fired it up and started a campaign as an I-16 pilot 3 days after the start of the war<span id='postcolor'>

Thats been out for about a year now in verious versions. It's pretty good, but it only generates a certain amount of missions, so if you do a long campaign, there is the tendancy you will be flying a mission you have flown many times, identical except it might be a diffrent map.

To other things, Forgotten Battles has gone gold. Believe it or not, I got that off www.lo-mac.com the Lock On Website, the IL2 Website hasn't announced it yet...

March 4th for the Americans, March 20th for the Europeans, and I don't know when for people in Australiasia (like myself).

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Feb. 20 2003,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Feb. 20 2003,02:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh that should be amusing, you trying to win the war for the Rodina in your little buzz plane. Maybe the Me-109 pilots will feel so sorry for you that they won't shoot you down <span id='postcolor'>

Oh you think? We should set up a little 1 on 1 sometime . You in your choice of early war 109 and me in a 1933 model I-16 . You should see me get pilot kills in that baby.<span id='postcolor'>

First things first, you cannot compare me to a propally trained Luftwaffe pilot (in 1941 they were well trained). The Luftwaffe pilots could keep the plane in the air for more than a few minutes without crashing and burning with real world physics. I cannot do that I can take the plane off the ground, but as soon as I get engaged in combat, I stall or get into a spin or something and before I know it, I'm looking at a smoking hole in the ground

Would you feel so assured of a kill if you were flying up against a real Luftwaffe pilot in real life who had seen action in Poland, the Low Lands, France and the Battle of Britain? Im sure you can ace some online gamer who has never flown a real plane, but up against real opposition, I shall quote a song "Fighter pilot, say good bye, your never coming in to land"

And hopefully the AI in Forgotten Battles will be good enough to give you a run for your money.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Feb. 22 2003,13:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First things first, you cannot compare me to a propally trained Luftwaffe pilot (in 1941 they were well trained). The Luftwaffe pilots could keep the plane in the air for more than a few minutes without crashing and burning with real world physics. I cannot do that I can take the plane off the ground, but as soon as I get engaged in combat, I stall or get into a spin or something and before I know it, I'm looking at a smoking hole in the ground

Would you feel so assured of a kill if you were flying up against a real Luftwaffe pilot in real life who had seen action in Poland, the Low Lands, France and the Battle of Britain? Im sure you can ace some online gamer who has never flown a real plane, but up against real opposition, I shall quote a song "Fighter pilot, say good bye, your never coming in to land"

And hopefully the AI in Forgotten Battles will be good enough to give you a run for your money.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh I'm aware that 99.999999999999999999% of armchair pilots would be toast if they ever came against the real thing. I just meant it as a friendly challenge since you implied the I-153 can't hold it's own against early 109's. (and the 1933 I-16 we have now is a pretty close cousin of it) I know it'll be tough, especially with AI improvements, but I guess I'm masochist that way .

Not sure why you seem to have trouble with dogfighting....I'm assuming you fly primarily in the German AC, well in that case you also probably know that getting into a turn fight with most Russian fiighters is generally not the best tactic (unless you can tell he's not a good pilot). Boom and Zoom attacks are the way to go. Also, what kind of joystick do you have? I think Force Feedback helps a lot, you can tell by the shudder on the stick when you are pushing the plane to it's limits, which is a real lifesaver in spin-prone planes like the P-39 and the I-16.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Definitely do not fuck with trying to outturn I-153s and I-16s in early-war scenarios when you are flying early war 109s. I've been playing back through the German fighter campaign (trying to pull an Erich Hartmann), and I nearly got into serious trouble fighting some I-153s.

We scrambled from the field, and I was first in the air, even though I was plane 4 in our flight (It's a funny story, ask me about it sometime ). Anyhow, I bounced this flight of three 153s about a mile and a half from our field, sans my buddies. Everything was cool through the first pass- I nicked the lead plane and didn't get hit, but then these little bastards did something I didn't expect. Inside of 25 seconds, 2 of the little guys were right on my tail, and I was busy trying to turn into the third. I started getting hit by streams of machine gun fire, which was worrying at first, but then I realised it was barely even scratching my paint. Anyhow, the rest of my flight made it over and broke up the party, and I got 2 of the buggers. Incidentally, I'm on mission 6 or so, and have 15 kills. Too bad multiplayer isn't this easy  

EDIT: Russian planes are very maneuvable, except of course for their front line early war fighters . The I-153 is like a goddam helicopter, it's so nimble, as is the I-16 to a slightly smaller degree. Even the Il-2 is pretty nimble when it has to be, with its pilots basically daring you to follow them into that dive when you are already only 500 feet off the deck. Goddam crazy Russians, I'm telling you Of course, their real fighters don't do so well. The Mig 3 is a coffin with wings, period. If you take off in that thing on a combat mission, you will not return. The LaGG is a little better, but the Soviet early war pilots just can't take proper advantage of it. Things only start to even out when the mid-war Yak and Lavochkin fighters go into service.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 22 2003,19:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Mig 3 is a coffin with wings, period. If you take off in that thing on a combat mission, you will not return.<span id='postcolor'>

I'll say to you what I said to Kurtz, wanna back that up sometime? . I like the MiG-3, especially the UBS Machine gun armed variant. Now if I can just find the bastard that keeps soaking it in alcohol before takeoff....

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I will not deny that the I-153's and the I-16 were not manouverable planes, they were very manouverable, but in real life they lacked in other areas. It would be like taking an A-10 up against a MiG-29 in an high altitude battle. The A-10 is very manouvarable, but it doesn't have radar, and it does not carry long range AA missiles.

On to my crappiness at flying, as you might have guessed, I don't use a joystick. Keyboard and mouse for me. I will in time change this, but at the moment my $ is being saved up for a $400 AU (About $220 US) Video Card, then I will need to buy Forgotten Battles when it comes out so currently a new joystick is not high on my things to buy list, but maybe after I get Forgotten battles I will get one, train hard, and come and fky against you, and probably still get toasted by you

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Feb. 23 2003,02:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't use a joystick. Keyboard and mouse for me.<span id='postcolor'>

Ouch, I honestly can't see how you can get any enjoyment out of the game like that .

*edit* and I know they lacked in real life...they do in the game as well! No trim controls, no internal engine starter, the I-153 catches fire almost as easily as the MiG-3, the I-16 has a habit of rolling into a dive with little warning when you stall during a turn, they're slow, armament is pretty weak unless you know where to aim....and from what I hear pulling negative G's on them in Forgotten Battles will stall the engine....and did I mention that there's no internal engine starter? . I'll fly them because:

A) They bore the burnt of Operation Barbarossa

B) In the hands of good pilots they held their own till 1943

C) I like being the underdog

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Never got that- you save up your money to buy a brand new graphics card, so that you can play the latest games. Simultaneously, doing so insures that you won't have any money to buy said latest games with. It's a Catch-22- unless of course you are a rich bastard  

Tovarish, let me put it this way: I get shot down. Alot. But not once have I ever been shot down by a Mig-3  

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 23 2003,02:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tovarish, let me put it this way: I get shot down. Alot. But not once have I ever been shot down by a Mig-3  <span id='postcolor'>

How about tomorrow night about 9-10pm Eastern Time we make it a first for you? My favourite MiG variant isn't even armed with cannons

[Tex -USMC- 0]

lol, I'm sure we could set a time up. you have ICQ?

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 23 2003,10:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Never got that- you save up your money to buy a brand new graphics card, so that you can play the latest games. Simultaneously, doing so insures that you won't have any money to buy said latest games with. It's a Catch-22- unless of course you are a rich bastard  

Tovarish, let me put it this way: I get shot down. Alot. But not once have I ever been shot down by a Mig-3  <span id='postcolor'>

Well I basically have the money for the video card now, the main prtoblem is actually finding it (Radeon 9500pros are very very hard to find here) and one that is not way over priced. ATi' recomended retail price is $379 AU roughly, yet I have seen the cards priced as high as $499! Insane! Totally insane when you can buy a Radeon 9700 (non-pro) for $499.

And once I have my flash card, I will be able to play Forgotten Battles with all the cool graphical effects.

And to getting Forgotten Battles, I know somone who will buy it for me, and I just pay it off week by week at the rate of about $7 AU a week so it takes about 12 weeks to pay it off at that rate.

Then I will take another loan maybe to get a joystick

So no, I'm not exactly rich.

[dayglow 2]

Have you seen the shit storm on the Ubi board because the European release is 2 weeks behind the NA? Was it that bad when OFP was released in Europe before NA? Amazing stuff.

COLINMAN

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Feb. 23 2003,08:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Have you seen the shit storm on the Ubi board because the European release is 2 weeks behind the NA? Was it that bad when OFP was released in Europe before NA? Amazing stuff.<span id='postcolor'>

What can I say? Them Euros love their sims

PS- I was fooling around in the quick mission maker just now, and I found something that has partially redeemed the Mig-3 in my eyes: the Mig-3ud variant, with 12.7mm machine gun pods. This little bastard spits out an unbelievable amount of lead, and is absolutely perfect for... well, anything that involves killing, really. Not nearly as powerful as cannon armament (which is reminds me that the Mig-3Shvak is also a decent airplane) but that just means you have to keep the pipper on the target for a little bit longer; plus, the extra amount of tracers (no less than 5 high ROF machine guns) arcing into the target is enough to make me break out the old Communist Manifesto... well maybe not but it still looks very cool. I still wouldn't dare to mix it up at low altitude in it, but I might start giving it a bit more credit... especially if Tovarish kicks my ass Incidentally, I'll be sure to give y'all a full report, unless of course I don't feel like it.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 23 2003,16:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll be sure to give y'all a full report, unless of course I don't feel like it.<span id='postcolor'>

If Tovarish burns your arse so much you don't want to talk about it, Im sure he will tell us about it

What plane are you planning to take him on in?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

play it by ear. Probably a Yak-9 or a mid war model 109

[dayglow 2]

That mig3 can get an amazing amount of pilot kills. The machine guns have such a high rate of fire and if you can rake them across the fusaloge of a turning target, the stream should hit the cockpit and the pilots dead. Since so much lead is in the air it happens a lot during a high aspect snapshot during a turn.

COLINMAN

[USMC Sniper 0]

I found IL2 at EB today, and decided to pick it up. Obviously, it's a great game, kicks ass, etc, but I have a few questions:

-What does Forgotten Battles contain

-Where can I find planes to DL? I saw some at IL2 Center, but that websites working crappily.

-Where can I find official planes to DL? I think I read somewhere there is a flyable ME262.

-Why is it that on the German planes, the crosshair on the aiming device is always too much to the left, and cannot be seen?

Thanks all.

[Aaron Kane 0]

Press Shift+F1 to move the sight over in German planes. You have to patch to get any other new aircraft, try the official Sturmovik site.

[dayglow 2]

Pesonally if you can return it I would, because FB isn't an addon, but a full retail package that has everything in IL2 plus the new content. It won't install over IL2, but into it's own folder. Also it will have a full game price, not an addon because it is a new game.

For the new planes you have to download the patches. I believe there is 1.1 and 1.2 to download. Only official planes are added to the game through patches. Addons are controlled by Oleg so that he has control over quality. It's a bow to online flyers so that no one can create an UFO plane and fly it online. The people at IL2 center develope the planes and then submit them to Oleg for testing and addition to the next patch. The Me 262 is flyable in FB when it is released.

To center your gunsight hit [sft][F1] German planes line the gunsight up with the right eye of the pilot. They also had a chin rest so the pilot could set his head on the rest and look through the sight with his right eye to get a good shot

Another thing I would download would be IL2 Stab. Not sure where it is, but a quick search should find it for you. It helps you manage some of the undocumented features of IL2 and you can also use it to get the historical markings (swasnikas) on the german planes.

Remember to be patient with the game. Gunner is very hard as there are no hit bubbles in the sim, you have to hit the plane and gunner is hard. A feature in the conf.ini under game is arcade=0. Turn this to 1 and it will show where you hit the other plane. Little dots glow on the airplane when it get's hit and shows how your aim is.

Have fun

COLINMAN

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Feb. 23 2003,19:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Pesonally if you can return it I would, because FB isn't an addon, but a full retail package that has everything in IL2 plus the new content. It won't install over IL2, but into it's own folder. Also it will have a full game price, not an addon because it is a new game.

For the new planes you have to download the patches. I believe there is 1.1 and 1.2 to download. Only official planes are added to the game through patches. Addons are controlled by Oleg so that he has control over quality. It's a bow to online flyers so that no one can create an UFO plane and fly it online. The people at IL2 center develope the planes and then submit them to Oleg for testing and addition to the next patch. The Me 262 is flyable in FB when it is released.

To center your gunsight hit [sft][F1] German planes line the gunsight up with the right eye of the pilot. They also had a chin rest so the pilot could set his head on the rest and look through the sight with his right eye to get a good shot

Another thing I would download would be IL2 Stab. Not sure where it is, but a quick search should find it for you. It helps you manage some of the undocumented features of IL2 and you can also use it to get the historical markings (swasnikas) on the german planes.

Remember to be patient with the game. Gunner is very hard as there are no hit bubbles in the sim, you have to hit the plane and gunner is hard. A feature in the conf.ini under game is arcade=0. Turn this to 1 and it will show where you hit the other plane. Little dots glow on the airplane when it get's hit and shows how your aim is.

Have fun

COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'>

Thanks for the responses, esp. with the Shift+F1 thing, that helped a lot. I never used the German planes before, because of the sight prob. Also, I don't need that "arcade=1" thing, it's easy to know if you hit sum1, tons of particles fly out of their planes.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 23 2003,09:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">play it by ear. Probably a Yak-9 or a mid war model 109<span id='postcolor'>

lol Sure, but in a Yak-9 even I'll admit I'm badly outclassed . I'll give it a try, but we should also go at it with you using a German plane . Anyways I just got home from work and I'm completely exhausted. Going to take a nap and I should be back online at 9-9:30 (about 3 hours from now).

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I agree with Dayglow, try and do a trade in as soon as possible. Forgotten Battles has everything IL-2 has, maps and planes, except it doesn't come with the IL-2 missions, big deal. Plus Forgotten Battles has soooo much more, better graphics, physics, map, non-linear campain, and lots and lots of custom planes.

If anybody reading this hasn't, go to IL-2 Centre and look at all the custom planes been made. Quite a few are basically finished, and will be included in the first FB patch. Unfortunetly, custom planes will only be avaliable for download in the patches. You won't be able to download them seperatly. But hey, you will be getting enough custom planes in one patch to last you to the next one.

Right Oleg, wheres that free copy of Forgotten Battles you promised me for advertising it here?

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For the new planes you have to download the patches. I believe there is 1.1 and 1.2 to download. Only official planes are added to the game through patches. Addons are controlled by Oleg so that he has control over quality. It's a bow to online flyers so that no one can create an UFO plane and fly it online. The people at IL2 center develope the planes and then submit them to Oleg for testing and addition to the next patch. The Me 262 is flyable in FB when it is released.

<span id='postcolor'>

How exactly does that work,like the custom faces and sounds in OFP or replacement models that only urself can see?

ps i hate the massive stupid patches i had to download before

actually being able to play online,shitheads